English vs. Polish hostility

As Nigel said!

James, you're good, yo! You're the eye of the tiger. Rising up to the challenge of the rivals...

Nigel sez: Your lot dont need any help to look bad,you can do it very well for yourselves.

- Namely how do we allegedly do that? Be specific, please.

re: My wife is polish-she agrees with me totally and is very embarassed by some of the things she is witnessing here

- Well, if it's true that your wife is Polish, then a Polonophobe is married to a Polonophobe. Or perhaps your is a sado-masochistic union, folks?

Now what specific 'things' having to do with Polish people are you and your better part oh so embarassed about?

I hope my questions aren't overly sophisticated for you? (Your comments on Sofi's posts certainly justify my doubts in this respect.)
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James123 comments on Nigel's post: 'Nothing like a man with the guts to speak the truth!'

- What specific truth would that be, pal? Are you smart enough to lay it out?
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Hm, it's fascinating - this hatred and cowardice, and stupidity, of all those various nigels and jameses haunting this board.

Maybe it's the same guy - just one fool whose foolishness is too vast for one, so it spontaneously multiplies itself into clones?
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Man, puzzler. It's 3 'o freaking clock in the morning where I'm at. And your post still made me laugh. You're crack me up, man! :)

re: And your post still made me laugh

- Houyhnhnm, I'm glad to have given you a good early morning whine.
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Give it to them Puzz! They just stick their head out from under a rock, utter some spiteful words, and quickly hide again...

Eurola, absolutely. Each of these creatures seems to possess the intellect and courage of a worm. And when they get added up together, the effect is truly monstruous.

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Interesting that I am placed in the same boat as Nigel by Puzzler the Great ! My post clearly ridicules Nigel and am lost as to why we are deemed to be the same person.


This is clearly the question James must be asking if you bothered to read his posts clearly!

hi sofi, i remember everything i say and i never say anything i dont mean or haven't considered.Its a good host-good guest thing. We are being good hosts but your lot are not abiding by the rules.Untaxed uninsured cars, unregistered cars,numerous cases of drink driving and unpaid speeding tickets,abuse of the benefit system and many more. I am certainly not against poles or anyone else on account of their origin.I have very many good polish friends who all concurr that there is large portion of their population who do not behave to an acceptable standard. There are very many people many from Poland(in this case)who do do things the fair and dignified way .They also do their best to integrate with those around them and dont disrepect their host who has helped them.Anyone who defends the bad behaviour of their countrymen(includes all countries before you call me a nationalist) or has even the slightest admiration for it is indeed at the same low social level as they are.There are many Polish people in my town for whom I have arranged schooling for their children, helped to arrange accommodation, set up gas.electric.water.telephone.bankand council tax accounts, Helped instigate court action to recover unpaid housing deposit returns and the odd bit of translation of documentation and contracts which they wont sign unless they understand.I have done this willingly and not received a penny in return. I do the decent thing for decent people and only require that they do not thank me by disrespecting the help they were given.

I am a very amiable and honest person so I dont see that I have to defend myself.As for my wife and our relationship,its not your business,but she is a very good, honest and caring person who is also very independent and intelligent and does not simply 'follow the herd'. I speak my mind even when its a contentious issue, if anyone disagrees I am more than happy to explain my viewpoint-as long as they are civil and intellectually capable of maintaining a debate without vulgarity. Beware-I fight fire with fire

LET THE BATTLE COMMENCE!!

No need for a battle. I've got no issue to address. I dont believe that there is inherent hostility here against the poles or anyone else. There are always people that make an arse of themselves and everyone of that social group becomes associated with them. Sometimes a lot of them arrive at once.The thing to do then is to distance ones self from them and attack their actions. The British are renowned for lager-lout behaviour in Spain and now in Eastern europe.These are just ******** I will not defend them. The fact that they were born in the same country as me is immaterial, scum is scum and it should be cleared out of the way.

Restricting your social circle to that of your own nationality will always cause you to be associated with some unsavoury individuals. Forget the ghetto, integrate and be yourself(the individual). Then and only then you will advance as a person and benefit from being in another country.You will aso gain the respect of those living near you, but not because you are a pole...... because you are a nice person that they like.

Britain is the most successful example of a multi cultural society in the world. We mainly get along fine but we dont appreciate people who just want to take.If you are not in that category.. welcome to Britain, If you are in it... go home now-we dont want you and nobody else does either.We have enough home grown ******** of our own to sort out already. I think that my view is fair and no reasonable person will have any issue with it.

Some Poles good, some Poles bad. UK Good guys, UK plonkers. Americans. Meeting of cultures, love, lust, heartbreak, unreadable SMS messages, pointy shoes, high cheekbones, confusion, mistrust, Lech premium, Vodka. Overnight property billionaires, overnight property bankrupts. Change, integration, understanding, status quo. Read the Immigration Service website first you idiot. Harmony breaks out.

With apologies to the Reduced Shakespeare Company

excuse me, but I am Scottish. I just don't appreciate your comments!


c'mon any nation has people who do not behave acceptably - but how can you say a 'large portion?'
Do you know enough to make that assumption (?), because I cannot imagine you have any statistical proof to back up this view. I don't even know why you think it is a point to make.


I admit that I resorted to immaturity in my post, unlike what I normally would in a serious conversation. I did so because, having read your other posts, this seemed to me I would be responding in a similar fashion to your own posts (i.e the quote I provided in my post above).


Being British, I can ask you to speak for yourself instead of an entire group which includes myself.


some of the views in this new post are. I still take issue with anyone saying


about any nation.


Well this sounds like it can cover people born in Britain too. Especially abuse of the benefit system. Do you have anything to cite that will make you point relevant - i.e evidence that the Polish people in the UK have a higher proportion of people doing these things you claim they do than our own British people?

szarlotka.Bizarre is the only word that comes to mind at the moment. If you insist that there is a problem here and you look hard enough, you will find something you may not like. Most people haven't got time for conflicts like that and just want a peaceful life.If you or anyone else cannot integrate, it displays a personal defficiency, not one in the country concerned. Maybe you dont want to integrate, maybe you dont like brits-blacks or Indians,maybe you dont like anyone??If you dont , my point is more than proven and you should consider isolating yourself from normal people so as not to depress them. I worked in 18 different countries and found no problems in association with the natives of any of them.Sure I was slagged by a few poles for 'stealing' one of 'their' women and for what winston chuchill did or didnt do long before i was born. Other than low lifes like that all was fine and dandy.As I said though, I will only have a debate with someone who is intellectually capable of presenting a reasonable and informed view without the use of direct insults.Have a nice life mate, it'll be easier if you mix in with your neighbours .

WTF?

The post was intended to express my exasperation, as a long time member of the Forum, at the endless succession of uninformed and baseless posts on most aspects of the topic of Polish people in the UK. Tell me where I insulted you. And I have a very nice life thank you. If you take the time to read any of my previous posts you will understand my views on Poland and her people. As a taster - I have been married to one for twenty five years. Congratulations on having worked in 18 countries - 14 more and you will overtake me.

Bizarre is the only thing that comes to mind while reading this post.....Szarlotka is the wrong person to be directing your comments to......go back and read some more posts and become informed before you jump don't someone's throat.

sofi I can only speak for myself and those who have expressed their views around me. Keeping an eye on the news and seeing what those around me gives me the right to comment on the issues concened. There are very many sources of information on the web and in the press that support my view. As for taking exception to.. They can do it for themselves. Its true, they can. No opinion stated in the press will ever be adopted by the reader if it does not concurr with his or her experience (or the experience of a colleague.)If those opinions are not founded then they will be naturally dismissed as sensationalism or spiteful.If they are regarded as spiteful the british public will be prone to defend those concened and thus advance their cause.If you are adamant that all the problems I quote do not exist then time will prove you right- I'm happy to wait.I know I seem like a monster to you but I assure you I'm not and would ask you to think carefully about my words.We all depart from our characters at times, I can aswell but i am not satisfied when I do it.There is a problem at the moment and it's not sensible to watch it get bigger.We need good people to come and stay in this country and bring their skills with them. They need to be a part of our society not part of a subculture. They cannot be allowed to experience either positive or negative discrimination and they must be prepared to abide by the rules that the rest of us do. This is not currently the case and many people are getting frustrated by the innaction of the authorities.

Bad behaviour causes resentment ,The british people are intelligent enough to make up their own minds and many have decided that they are unhappy with whats happening. They have as much right as us to express their views and talk of their experiences.I lived in Poland for many years and I can tell you about it 'worts and all' if you know that expression up there.Best regards Nigel. P.S. I think Scotlands a fantastic place.

You're absolutely right ranj and I thank you for letting me know about my error , I do apologise szarlotka. I am very new to this and mistakes happen. I believed that his post was a reply to mine

Gracefully accepted Nigel.


Thanks Ranj.

It takes inner strength to own up to a fault. Most people tuck their apology into a flood of words and don't make such a clean breast of it like you did. Like your attitude, yo! Respect.

yes szarlotka, I apologise 150% for my error . User ranj pulled me up on it and I thank him for doing so. I am a new user and I'm not the most computer orientated person either. I will in future try to work out to which post the reply refers. I apologise once more and I will be looking with interest at the posts you have referred me to.

her.

And no need to aplogise further. I can understand your general annoyance at some of the posts around lately.

Hmmmm nobody likes making mistakes but we cant learn from them unless we own up. I mucked it up and did the right thing-thats just normal.

No you don't, that's a little far! I just object to some of your points and expression is all.

There's so much love and understanding on this thread... it's a welcome change! Way to go, Nigel. You've turned the tides.

I do seem to have touched a nerve dont I? Never mind we cant all be flavour of the month. I hope that some of the protestors might actually think about what i actually mean and not just fit it to what they want to say

Hi Nigel. Don't you think that a lorry driver talking about sophistication and intellectual levels sounds a tiny bit funny ?

- I'm dreadfully sorry, johan. I should've read your post more carefully. What an idiotic misunderstanding on my part. Sorry, man. :(

Well, Nigel has apologised to sofi (and rightly so - you should get on your knees before an angel like her, creep), but haven't apologised to us for slamming us. And he hasn't given any evidence to back his Polohophobic remarks. As far as I'm concerned, he's got no guts and no intellect either. A hollow man. Coward. Liar.

Having read all the Posts and spent several minutes creased in laughter (at the banter; not the serious points being made), I've had to remind myself that the Thread origin was that immigrants should adapt to fit in with us and not us to fit them in.

I think it's fair to say that multiculturalism does not work on a large scale. On a small scale it possibly does; as per the China Town's around the Country. Most people enjoy the cultural island around, say, Soho's Gerard St but are happy that it doesn't spread out. We like having Indian, Bangladeshi, Javanese etc restaurants in our towns but, again, they are contained and are somewhere for us, the British, to visit. These examples of multiculturalism are contained and abide by British laws, standards (not sure about Kosher and Hal Hal) and, where appropriate, bye laws.

This is not new, of course, We have absorbed waves of foreigners over the centuries and they are living, mostly un-noticed, in amongst us now. Some groups, such as the Jews can still be identified and mainly by their religious customs. Would anybody now be able to identify a former Lombard or Huguenot (of which that great British engineer I K Brunel was a descendant of)? There seem to be little in the way of records kept at the time of how they were assimilated. Did they change the Nation (I K B aside) in some way? I don't know. I stand to be corrected, but I think we have seen since the end of WW2 a greater proportion of our overall population arrive here than we ever have and still they arrive.

We Brits are largely tolerant people and if a town has, say, a proportion of East European settlers, we are happy for them to set up an Eastern Orthodox Church. The problems arise when a large foreign element sets up its own "ghetto". They would probably argue that "we" force them down that route by being different to them. The point is, though, that it's easier for them not to change and set up their own Community. Hence we have vast tracts of formerly industrial towns and cities that are "little" Indias, Pakistans, Jamaicas (don't forget the West Indians are still in this topic), you name it. The next step in having retained there own cultures and, usually, language is the assertion of their "rights". This is point where friction is created. Do we allow them their "rights" to effectively annex parts of our Country for the themselves or do we say "fit in or ship out"? Many of us have been thinking the latter but have been restrained by the Liberal and Socialist experimenters and appeasers not to express it. The Human Rights legislation has compounded the problem further. The analogy is that the Householder must now treat the Lodger as an equal and with no powers of eviction nor tenancy termination.

The title of the topic is "English vs Polish hostility". The terms English and British are not the same.

So the issue doesn't arise with Scottish people then?
Or was this an opportunity to, pointlessly, make an anti-English remark?