English vs. Polish hostility

Does not make sense after puzzlers recent post


on the whole mate the British do like the Polish :)

I Do.

Oki, tornado, so I understand that you also mean the Poles when you write:

'Of course all the information required on the application form would be the same standard ones as applying for a Visa/Work permit etc. When the papers have been sent to the UK there can be a proper background check completed with the full co-operation of the government of the applicants country. Therefore any criminal record, infectious diseases or any other history that may stop a successful application could be assessed.'

- Do you mean that there have been huge problems with Poles working in Britain as regards criminal records, infectious diseases and 'any other history'? If yes, then can you quote (briefly) say ten specific cases?

I don't know f you know this, but in 'sensitive' work felds, such as health care, the Polish workers go through all the checks, such as crimnal record check.

Now, if you really care for Britan do you realise that your three month checks would probably immensely increase the public spending on British bureaucracy, create epic organisational mess and perhaps cause lots of Brit businesses to go under? Do you know anything about the shortage of labour in Britan - a shortage which you cannot fill up with local labour? Are you sure you've thought hard enough about these matters, mate?

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re: on the whole mate the British do like the Polish :)

- I'm of the same opinion (that's my experience) , and really happy about it.
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re: I Do.

- I believe you, mate.
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why is it all about Poles, i've not even pointed them out, as for cases jesus how many do you want, drug gangs, rapes, frauds, murders and many many more from all nationalities of immigrants that enter the UK.

There is no point in picking out 'working Poles' because thats not what bothers me, its the ones who don't benefit the UK in anyway we don't need them so why should they be here.

We are a small Island not a massive nation like France or Germany, we are likened to Australia and look how they handle immigration, we need to follow their example in my opinion. Please Please, don't reply with 'working Poles' i already said they are not the immigrants i am talking about :)


good good, so should everybody who enters the UK :)


yeah Britain could fund the scheme buy using the money that they would have had to of given to the other european countries :)


Sorting out our own problems would be the first priority, without all the immigrants filling hte jobs that the British won't do, the government could filter out all those on the doll, benefits etc and force them to work by withdrawing their funding.


yes of course, but its not a shortage its a lack of effort on some of the British peoples side.


yes i have thought long and hard, people applying for work/living in the uk would have to specify their field of work, therefore the government could hand pick the people they needed to fill positions. Everybody knows that general labour and customer service personnel are required. The whole point of my scheme is to make sure the right people are coming in, to do the right jobs where required therefore benefiting themselves and the UK overall.

As i said before i'm not the home secretary and i don't have the whole of the home office resources available to me, i am one guy of 22 with a few ideas :) However i like the debates and questions you throw at me it helps me develop my knowledge and my idea for a better UK all round (for the UK and Visitors to the UK)

Re: Churchill

- There is attached to him an allegation that he was behind General Sikorski's tragic death. This (crazy) theory, not backed by any serious evidence, was first suggested on a bigger scale by the Anglophobic, Polonophobic and Germanophile psychopath David Irnigv in his book 'Accident.'

had the heart of a lion and the balls of any man you care to name, he made appearances on the front line, traveled when under serious threat of being assassinated, walked through London during and after a bombing raid. Care to name it and he's done it. There was no better Allied leader :)

re: why is it all about Poles

- Well, because it's a Polish forum and the thread is on the (alleged) Polish-English hostility. And I'm Polish who care for Poland and Poles first, just as you, it appears, care for Britan first.

re: had the heart of a lion and the balls of any man you care to name, he made appearances on the front line, traveled when under serious threat of being assassinated, walked through London during and after a bombing raid. Care to name it and he's done it. There was no better Allied leader :)

- It's hard to put it better. Agreed 100 %, mate.

yes of course i do


yes i know that, however we've talked about Churchill etc whats that got to do with the topic, sometimes things go of topic, what i'm talking about effects poles, but isn't just for poles.

re Please Please, don't reply with 'working Poles' i already said they are not the immigrants i am talking about :)

- Gotcha, mate. :)

Ah ha, History from hollywood :) Enemy at the gates has a lot to answer for,the whole one man with rifle one with ammo is old german propaganda bs,yes it occasionaly happened in 41 but by the time of Stalingrad 42-3 this was far from the case. Even though at the time supplies from the west were not reaching in the vast numbers they later would,which is the time under discusion ie 1945,by then no force in western europe could have conceivably stopped the rkka.The Americans were still far more interested in finishing off japan which they saw as Their war unlike europe which thery saw as europes war still,pretty much only patton saw different and we all know what happened to him.

Isthatu, it's impressive - you knowledge of WWII! Who are you, mate?
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wow i'm sorry mate to say its not true is wrong, there were plenty of cases where Russians were given weapons between two people, usually though they were not military divisions or platoons, it was pockets of forces made up of Soviet Civilians that had to do this :)

However there were many reports of Soviet troops taking weapons from their dead as they had run out of rifles. Rifles were not the only thing they took, clothes, personal belongings, money you name it they took it

It would be easier to follow your arguments if you used the 'Quote' button
instead of

re: this, and re: that.

re: It would be easier to follow your arguments if you used the 'Quote' button
instead of re: this, and re: that.

- Sorry, but - however weird it may appear - I don't like the quote function. It's a kind of phobia, I guess. Sorry, mate.

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I think you will find that a great deal of the War historical movies were based upon facts.
Yes. They had artictic rite to alter some things.
But the basic principal that Russians marched there OWN Men into withering german fire.
Badly equipped. ( Bc they couldnt spare it on cannon fodder )
And Poorly armed. ( They werent expected to survive. )( Why loose 2 guns.. )
Are facts. Not mel Gibson ideas.

As Torny said. These are Not rumours but facts.
And i dont get it from Hollywood. I got it from history books.
And i have the World at war on dvd's. ( Not the Movie )

Ok,lets deal with enema at the gate then,see how much fact was left. Right, germans v "russians = fine, vassilii tsitsev a skinny young boy=actualy a chubby 30 something ex sailor in the red fleet. Crack shot with nagant=correct,but not the highest scorer and also used a ptrd anti tank rifle never seen in film; vassillii vs that jerry= never happened ; blocking detachments behind one rifle between 2 men assualts in stalingrad= utter tosh,yes men were sent in waves in stalingrad,usually armed with the latest papasha for close Q fighting,any men squeezed into the tiny soviet bridgehead needed to be able to kill germans,an unarmed man finds this difficult.........

the world at war was made slap bang in the middle of the cold war,balanced to an extent but littered with old nazis going unchallenged in their opinions.

No one is disputing that a major soviet "tactic" was human wave but to insinuate the entire soviet armies were some untrained mob herded to the front and fighting only because the men in blue hats were behind them is false and goes against the fact of their smashing the german armies time and again.


a sad semi obsesive mate with far too many books :)

The movie Enemy at the Gates, is a fictionalized account of the true story of Vasilii Zaitsev,
He is portrayed as a callow young man, though he was older than average, being born in March 1915 making him 27 years old during the battle. He had been serving in the Navy since 1936, held the rank of Junior Lieutenant

On the far shore of the Volga men are rushed straight into battle after a small number of them are given rifles and the rest one clip of ammunition with instructions for the unarmed to pick up the rifles of the fallen - this inspired by Gabriel Temkin's My Just War: the Memoir of a Jewish Red Army Soldier

What those unfamiliar with the Soviet side of Second World War will learn from this movie is that the director got many aspects correct in a general sense.

Men were often thrown into combat from the march with little or no orientation to the combat situation or formal integration into a unit
and that attacks made under such circumstances usually failed with catastrophic loss of life.
They will learn that junior ranking political officers served in the front lines and suffered the same fate as officers and men.
That women served alongside men at the front and did become entangled in romantic relationships is also accurate.
Also true was the use of blocking detachments of troops of the Peoples' Commissariat of Internal Affairs (NKVD) to shoot soldiers retreating without authorization

On the other hand, this movie gets some things wrong.
The director has Nikita Khrushchev in charge of the battle from a bunker in Stalingrad. True, Khrushchev was on the military soviet of the Stalingrad Front,

but he did not play a role in orchestrating the battle
There is no mention of Marshal Yeremenko who did command the front
or of General Chuikov who directed the 62nd Army in the battle for Stalingrad.

Although NKVD blocking detachments had existed from the beginning of the war,
Only in August 1942, weeks before the battle for Stalingrad began,
Did Stalin issue the highly unpopular Order no. 227 for "not one step backward" Requiring the army to form its own blocking detachments in each regiment.

One more inaccuracy is. Although two women snipers are depicted,
They never actually shoot anyone,
Whereas in fact Soviet women snipers are credited with over ten thousand enemy killed.

( Another Obessesive )

kudos and urrah mate :)

What are you lot on about. We should be very grateful that we'll lose our jobs to people lees able than ourselves. We can all go on the dole and then live off their tax money.We might lose our homes and eveything else the bank can auction but its a small price to pay for helping our needy polish friends. Lets look after their kids and let ours starve.

(To the new workers concerned)YES I AM BEING SARCASTIC, most of you are poor quality workers employed on purely a cost basis. The only people that think you're outstanding are yourselves. Please be aware that your dillusions of grandure will come to an end one day.You already ruined your home and now you are ruining mine. By the way, re register your cars and get them insured.

Yesterday, September 15 (Saturday!), an article in The Sun, by ALEX WEST, How to Fill Your Boots With British Benefits, whose man idea is that the Polish guest-workers rip off the proverbial taxpayer (and so also themselves?) by grabbing welfare (?) benefits.

The article is racist and hate-mongering, and should not go unpunished. I don't have time to deal with it at length now; I'll do it later tomorrow.

The hate against Poles, spread by media psychopaths like an Alex West and his or her editor, is growing in Britain. The evidence of it can be seen on ths board. E.g. read the previous post, by a racist lying clown calling himself or herself 'Brit Patriot.'

I appeal to real English, Scottish and other British people - defend the Poles whenever you hear your compatriots slamming them; fight in this way with the - largely alien and anti-British - media psychopaths and hate-mongers. If you care for Britain, don't let her degenerate into a Pole-bashing land.

Puzzler....I read this article also and it was about a report that first appeared in the Polish express newspaper in Britain! The newspaper was giving its readers advise on how to get through the loop holes and claim benefits while still working etc. What is so psychopathic about reporting on immigrants abusing the benefits system? Even the Brits aren't daft enough to believe all immigrants are doing it!

I think you will find that the government now applies such stricter rules for migrants from outside the EU.The foreign criminals you refer to mostly came here several years ago or as asylum seekers/illegal immigrants rather than lawful immigrants(few lawful immigrants commit crimes).I agree that any asylum seeker/illegal immigrant who commits a crime should serve their sentence then be deported.

i got to comr in pn this,it,s some brits that are kicking brits by sacking britt workers in favour of polish workers shere f...king greed .instead they should employ po;es to increase and make there companies grow be fair to all,this is where bad feeling developes but there is still a lot of respect for how hard they are prepared to work.wake up bosses grow not and not groan cos you got to get up an hour earlier as for illagal peoples here and found to be doing wrong whatever wrong that may be dont sentence them and fill the prisons up , which they seem to be able to walk of send them straight bak to where ever and empty the prisons and save money instead of us paying to keep them in comfort. and as for the yank blowing his trumpet about wars and how good they are they f...cked up every war they been in and dragged the british with them and before you we would not of done germans without the yanks we had the nohow they had the money and we paid it all back . b;ess those poor soles that did gave there all to get rid of one horrile german what different life we would of had now mind you america is no prime example of so called freedom and as for camara britton now going towards commu/freedom do as we say type 3600 new laws in 2 years you onlly got to fart and they block off the M25 for hrs freedom ye ok carefull what you wish for you might just get it why am i knocking the yanks,] cos they were over sexed, overpaid, and over here,

this is the only part that i disagree with from what you have said, i realise that there are such restrictions on people outside of the EU but it should be the same for all.


if i'm getting you right here your saying that Brits are being sacked because the Polish will require cheaper wages, if this is what your saying then i can emphatically agree with you. I've always been in support of the British workers, after all were in Britain. We have many trained and very good builders, plumbers, electricians, brick layers, roofers etc. They are often shafted for the EU workers who are often not up to the standard required but are employed due to the fact you can pay them peanuts.


a way to do this is send all foriegn nationals who are serving a six month sentence or more back to their country of origin and not be allowed back into the UK. That would free up a lot of spaces and we wouldn't need to build anymore prisons for a while :)

Roofer1......How much have you had to drink mate?

It's true that there are many tradesmen but also true that there are many, many more required. Apprenticeships are not being picked up as they were before. So there is a gap in the market which, whether it's popular or not, is being filled by Polish workers.

aj i dont drink, if i did i would be a f...king pest i get the hump when i here anyone knock a tryer

yeah i understand that dolly but these 'polish workers' or wherever they are coming from in europe don't tend to be up to the standards required in this country which is disappointing and also dangerous not only to themselves but their customers.

My stepfather is a plumber, electrician, builder you name it he does it, the amount of times he has had to go and fix something after these cowboys have been in is amazing. It should not be happening and gives the trade a bad name

I'm not really arguing with you T. The point is this, people are complaining about the standard of work from Polish tradesmen but they are filling a gap created by the lack of interest from British people. A lot has to be done to encourage young Brits to pick up a trade.