English vs. Polish hostility

Thats so true.
There are too few homegrown tradesmen now..

i know dolly but we should only let the people in to work in our country who have the adequate skills to do so, am i right or am i right??


totally agree with this


i know your not :) I wasn't arguing with you either

This is correct. It doesn't seem that way when you pick up a Yellow Pages and can find hundreds of plumbers, joiners etc but the truth is, there is a shortage.


No, because you could work as a plumber in Poland but come to Britain and take a job as a kitchen assistant. It's a grey area. I'm not truly sure how it works here but I don't think there's a rule saying you must be up to a certain standard to work your trade in UK. You can ask anyone to fit your new central heating, for example, they don't have to be Corgi registered. It's a risk that the consumer takes (to save a few pounds).

well there are all kinds of things that you need in trades such as electrician, plumber etc for example you need to be corgi registered if your a plumber. The people i am talking about are not.

I take your point about people taking different jobs, but thats where the hand picking comes in as far as i'm concerned.


sorry PD if your working with central heating your going to be dealing with Boilers etc, for this you need to be corgi registered

They are talking about this on Radio 4 at the moment.

Edit: it's just finished.

No you don't. It's advisable to register yourself though.

Quite honestly, as a tradesman in this country, you can generally work without being registered to anyone.


It is advisable to take on a Corgi registered plumber/heating engineer, yes. However, there are companies who are not registered who fit heating (and they are British too). Take my word on this.


lol, I won't bother looking for it then... :)

There is a similar rule here.

I accepted a corgi registered plumber recently.
The little dog had a tag on his collar, so I let him sort out my central heating.
I think he was Welsh though.
Cor = small
Ci (Gi) = dog

No doubt. Here though, people operate outwith the rules. I know tradesmen and I know a friend of mine had her heating put in by an engineer who was not registered, yes it was very cheap, but I think that's a stupid chance to take.

wow wow wow, i'm sure you do dolly, my step father had to go and renew his license and make sure it was up to date.

Plus all these people you see on 'cowboy' shows etc they are all not corgi registered yet fake that they are.


sorry i have family in the trade i can't :)

trustcorgi.com/findinstaller/findinstallerlanding.htmx


hay i'm sure there is, i wasn't pointing out Polish in particular, i'm sure there are plumbers, electricians, builders etc who are polish and very good :) its just the ones who are bad and don't get the jobs in Poland may come here, lol :)


hahahaha, there probably better at the heating than some of the cowboys

Young people with a student education are not tradesmen. They have seen a chance to earn money and learnt from others.

no no no no i'm not talking about the students, i mean the failed electricians, builders etc the 'cowboys' who come here. I know the students come for better themselves and usually are of a very good standard

He'd have to renew it because he has originally done things correctly and registered.

CORGI estimate there could be as many as 20,000 people working illegally on gas in the UK.

This a quote from Corgi web site (this webby is on my favourites). It therefore points out that there is a loophole.

Registered Corgi or Polish equivalent have to sign something similar to a guarantee card.
If it's not signed by a qualified engineer, you are not insured. It would be wise to have any such appliance checked.

yes they are working illegally and not CORGI registered, it does not mean there is a loop whole it just means 'cowboys' don't bother to register and hope people don't ask to see their registration. Or on the other hand they are out of date certificates they show or just fake the certificates themselves

I'm with you on that. My point way back is that people complain about some Polish standards of plumbing etc but there are many British tradesmen whose standards are just as low, if not lower, and people are employing them too.


Well, it must mean there is some kind of "hole" when 20,000 approx can work without being registered. Some clients couldn't care less about certificates, it's their bank accounts they are thinking about mostly. Sad, but true.

its not that they can work without its just that they do because they can get away with it.


agreed on this point

This is my point. You don't know who has formal training and who had on the job training from his mate. There are plenty people who after finishing university have spent time on British building sites.

I noticed that one of the adds on this site [PF] called for building personel.... with documentation.
Some companies are aware of their responsibility to the client. It seems that business is taking the lead rather than the government.

Well, really, that's just what I said but never mind... :)

Agreed. It's not a new problem by any means.

This is true. The government couldn't care less.

In Scotland and Northern Ireland you can register with SNIPEF as a plumber. Unsure about England and Wales.

It's just a shame that if someone employs a dodgy gas-fitter,
they're most likely not the ones who have to take the consequences.
For personal use, I only accept the best.

Yeah but they are thinking about the money.


Clever Donkey.

Me too. I'd rather pay the extra and know I have a case if my house blows up :)

Hey, ajgraham.

re: Puzzler....I read this article also

- Do you read the Sun frequently? Your kinda paper? :)

re: and it was about a report that first appeared in the Polish express newspaper in Britain!

- Not only about it! The article contains hateful xenophobic Polonophobic messages.

re: The newspaper was giving its readers advise on how to get through the loop holes and claim benefits while still working etc.

- The above is evidence of what the Sun scribbling is about - what messages it contains. In reality, the Polish article doesn't contain such 'advise' as ajgraham is speaking of.

re: What is so psychopathic about reporting on immigrants abusing the benefits system?

- There's nothing psychopathic about reporting on immigrants abusing the benefits system (unless, of course, the author reports on certain groups only and purposely keeps quiet about others). What's so psychopathic about the Sun article in question is that the author misrepresents the Polish article (the Polish article advises on how to claim benefits legally and honestly) and presents the false and highly inflammatory message that huge numbers of Poles abuse the 'benefits system.' Actually, the message appears to be that of all the national groups in Britain only the Poles abuse ther system (the author purposely doesn't mention other national or racial groups). A lying hate-sprteading psychopaths - that's who the author and his or her editor are. Shame on Brtitish politicians who speak to scum like that.

re: even the Brits aren't daft enough to believe all immigrants are doing it!

- Well, if the hacks mention only the Poles (who are surely amongst those who abuse the benefits system least of all), then what will the Brits think about the Poles?

Now, I was going to present yesterday a detailed analysis of the Sun piece, but lack of time prevented me from doing so. I'll present it soon, won't let this go, along with the analysis of the Polish artcle.

It wont matter what the papers write. If I know the polish mentality, and I certainly do, the vast majority of them will vindicate their views with their bad behaviour. Your lot dont need any help to look bad,you can do it very well for yourselves.My wife is polish-she agrees with me totally and is very embarassed by some of the things she is witnessing here.

Hi sofi , the sophistication and intelligence of your reply says much about your character. Now, engage me on a more intellectual level or be a good girl and run along to bed, you'll need to be up early to milk the cows. Kiss Kiss Dobranoc

a point doesn't have to be sophisticated to be valid

Ouch! I don't want to get embroiled in this conversation. But it sure looks pretty nasty from here. In the words of Austin Powers, "Ow Behave!"

Nigel...speaking of sophistication and intelligence....do you remember saying


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taken from this thread: https://polishforums.com/archives/2005-2009/life/people-inherently-jealous-neighbours-8951/

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not really, it's actually very out of character as I'm sure my other posts indicate. It's just that it gets boring after a while to read posts by

people who are still on PF saying things like

Nothing like a man with the guts to speak the truth!

Tch... tch... tch... James. Quotes are sacrosanct, mate. You never alter them. It's like an unwritten code of forum ethics or some. Anyways, you're making a point, which is that you can't stand Nigel. He... he...