English vs. Polish hostility

No offence taken it happens to all of us! Now for what I really think about the issue:

Thirty years ago or so there was a boom in building industry in the UK. The Irish came and filled the gaps that the British didn't want to do. They exploited the fact that there was so much work. A large number of them moved into carpentry or bricklaying while the rest worked as labourers, paviours or in excavation. It is a fact that many of them were unskilled, but because they had organized themselves into teams they were able to help each other out. The Irish had had a foothold going back to the days of the navvies in the 1950s and were able to expand and build those ties to secure lucrative work which ultimately made many of them wealthy and paved the way for massive investment in Ireland. They worked extremely hard and looked after their kids' education. They invested in housing and built second homes in Ireland. Some were later instrumental in the growth of the celtic tiger. Their kids have now fought their way up the ladder and to some extent have spoilt the next generation. There is a marked difference between the work ethic and values of their parents and the spoilt nature of their children. What do I mean?

I mean the fact that the Poles are the same, but better educated. They are hungry for success and at the same time humble. Humble enough to do jobs that the new Irish / English generation disregards . These qualities will ultimately ensure their success. We don't have to look far to find Irish multi millionaires that started their careers on building sites and it won't be long before we'll have Poles joining them.

Start a new thread for that.
Then another for the Welsh,
another for the Northern Irish, the Cornish, Manx, Channel Islanders...

Where was the anti - English remark ?

Good post and I would agree with all, except the date of the navvies. I think it's much earlier.


Maybe, it just came across that way. Apologies if unintended.

A colleague of mine, who is now in his 40s, was eight, when his family moved from India to the UK and settled in Southall.

He was telling me about the shop that had been at the end of their road when they first arrived. He then said "of course it's a bloody sari shop now, the trouble with Southall now is there's too many Indians living there, not like when I was a kid, it was a good mix then"


They built the railways in the 1800s, that's where the term navi comes from, it's short for navigator

I worked as a solicitor's clerk in Southall when I was studying law. I really like the place, although I haven't been back for about 15 years.

I pointd out the difference because I really do feel that there is a cultural difference and I would like to think that Scotland is more welcoming ( another forum maybe ) due to differing demographics.

Obviously there are idiots everywhere and Scotland has its fair share.

One example of the differences is that the average ratio of people to sq/km in europe is 116, where I live its 9. So a lot of the "issues" which are "British" just don't apply.

While the rest of the UK are trying to control immigration, the Scottish government are trying to encourage it.

- Dear johan123, I'd love to share your optimism, but I can't, unfortunately. Simply speaking, it appears to me that the Powers have decided not to let the Poles succeed in the UK, only the thirdworlders. The media hate propaganda is a symptom and evidence of this. The Poles in UK feel this instinctually, and many of them are leaving now, and many more will leave in near future. By the way, I saw a very similar political mechanism in the 1990s Canada, where the political-media elites decided to take in the Asians instead of 'East Europeans.'

There is a person on this thread using my exact words in his/her text.

If you are going to use my words or even paraphrase, it would be nice if you could acknowledge the fact.

The Irish were attacked for years and many took it to heart at first. It's a fact that you'll always be attacked when you are making an impact. It's a sign you are making progress and being noticed.

I know loads of Polish people doing very, very well in England.
And well deserved! They can teach some of our local chavs and 'Wannabe gangsters' a thing or two.
Hard working, honest people in the main.

- I really would like to have your optimistic outlook in this matter. On the other hand, well, Poland is slowly getting back on her feet. Maybe we won't need try to succeed in the UK or anywhere else apart from Poland? That's how it should be, actually. I'm not happy that many of my countrymen leave Poland. (I'm outside of Poland too, but mine is a special case, I believe).

By the way, the longer I am in the UK, the more I love the people and country. A magical place.

dude! I didn't even realise you weren't English! You type the language so well! x

This was part of a conversation we had together a while back. It is a mixture our posts and am sorry for not mentioning that. It didn't occur to me that you might be offended.

All is well now. No problem.

What's there to be offended about?

Nothing, now. Please forget it.

forgotten dude :) x

Well, for me we're kinda old fashioned in my family. I mean I go out and have fun with friends, but not looking to date anyone. (I was born in America). But my mother is from Poland. I can read Polish, have no idea what I'm reading though. Am working on that lol. And now thinking about an arranged marriage...not so arranged that I will not meet him till I get engaged, but attanged in the sense that I am gonna go to Poland with my family who knows the relatieves we have there and spread the word around. I hear that they wanna leave you as soon as they're back in the U.S. Yea i will get pissed lol

Grzegorz,I know some very highly educated people in a wide variety of jobs. Wagon drivers that speak several languages and did very well at school are not uncommon amongst the English drivers. I did very well at school and my parents brought me up with manners, The fact I chose the job I wanted to do is my choice. I've seen more of Europe than most, worked with some superb people and learned a lot about myself and those around me. Dont judge me by my job grzegorz, some of the most useless people I worked with sat in the offices, criticised those they thought were below them yet still expected me those same people to rescue them when their lack of knowledge started to show.So much for universities, ties and suits.

puzzler.I havent and I wont because you do not deserve one and your not worth the bother anyway.As for all the other stuff, Its just shows the level that you're at.

Quoting: Nigel
It wont matter what the papers write. If I know the English mentality, and I certainly do, the vast majority of them will vindicate their views with their bad behaviour. We dont need any help to look bad, we can do it very well for ourselves.My wife is Polish-she agrees with me totally and is very embarassed by some of the things she witnesses me doing

Nigel stop changing your mind!

The English mentality?
There are as many different English mentalities as you get from the following equation:

= Total population of England - (Circulation of the Daily Mail + a few more)

check the post, it said polish not english

johan, i dont know what you mean, when did i change my mind and what about??

johan look at the post again'you got itr wrong. take the last 2 words off for a start