Polish-Islam Relationship Union

Why don't Muslims "open their mind" ?

Elixa wtf do you know have you even you ever lived in the middle east. Sure in Australia this doesn't happen because the civilised world wouldn't allow itt.

Another separate note How bout women who can't drive in Saudi Arabia is that a lye.

You might know the religion but not the culture.

what about JAKUB TOMCZAK? for him all the english are going to think that all poles are rapists.
it doesn't happen because the civilized world wouldn't allow it to ? so is poland not civilised?
the muslims are the most i find unacceptable but lets go to be fair.

I never said all muslims are rapists, but some treat the women as a criminal and seem to sympathize with the rapist not the victim You won't find anybody that sympathizes with a rapist in Poland except another rapist.

If indeed guilty of rape then he is a rapist, whether his victim was wrapped in a black robe or not, and regardless whether her face was covered or not.

Islam in fact has less rapists since, in practical terms, in Islam more often than not a rape is a woman's fault. Some women have a nerve to try to convince all that they were raped but when confronted by the sympathetic and understanding Islamic justice sysytem very few of them are capable of providing witnesses. All they need to do is to provide merely 4 witnesses and they still can't.

There.

So you suggest to western women to be covered from head to toes when going to swim?

ok this is my final post so try to answer everyone question:

1. Honor killings is not allowed in Islam, it is a evil sin to do such thing.

2. If Islam is so bad with women, why is it so many women, espcially western women convert to Islam. And majority i know such as myself do this way before marriage. I know about 5 Polish people who have embraced Islam.

3. Western women can do what they want and for all we care swim naked if they so wish. For myself, i love covering my body, all the spritual benefits as well as environmental that i enjoy. Also many non Muslims say i remind them of Mary, mother of Jesus, which is a nice compliment. ALthough i am not covering for this reason. WHat i mean by covering, is dressing modestly.

4. @Grzegorz: Why dont Muslims open their mind? Why don't you open your mind? Everywhere u go, some people are open minded, some are closed minded. Please dont generalise and say all Muslims. I give you personal example, some older generation Polish people said to me: "you cant be friends with black person or basically non white" type statement. When some met my husband all they did is backbite his skin colour to my mother (OMG he is not white, shock horror). This happened at my own fathers funeral. How can they be so mean and nasty? They said to my grieving mother how can you let your daughter marry a dark person (because his skin is one shade darker than white and is tan). True, i was so appalled i cut of the Polish communithy at that time from my life except my family (i was very young) for a while, but then realised, hang on, just because they said this, a handful of women (who btw, are so pale u can see their blue veins, so i cant understand why pick on someone tan skin), my other cousins are fantastic and skin color would not even occur to them, and one of my male cousins married a lovely Malay girl and is happy. Well not everyone who is Polish is racist , so not every Muslim is close minded or what the media wants u to believe.

5. Yes i have lived in middle east and had a wonderful time. I had the time of my life, the people are nice, everyone was so welcoming to me, and hospitality was fantastic. I found people and culture warm there, not cold and hostile. I really want to live there permanetly but cant as my mother is alone and in Islam i am to look after her and her wellbeing as she is in her older years and we have very little family and i am the only one who cares about her welfare.

Some parts obvioulsy is not safe to go due to war in Iraq, but many places plenty of tourists around, such as Dubai. I have also been to Poland for several months to.

6. IF women gets raped, she does not have to provide 4 witnesses. This is a false and untrue lie. Four witnesses is required for adultry. This is for peoples own protection, so nobody can just go accuse someone if they are innocent.

I came here to respond to the other Polish man who converted. If anyone has any questions, u can contact me via private message.

I leave everyone with the following verse of Quran in English and Polish translation: Just so u can see a verse, no i am not trying to convert anybody, just sharing one verse with you. U dont have to read it.

Surah Al-Fatiha

In the name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
Praise be to God, Lord of the Worlds:
The Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful:
Owner of the Day of Judgement.
Thee (alone) we worship; Thee (alone) was ask for help.
Show us the straight path:
The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not (the path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray.

Polish translation:

1 - Al-Faatýhah

In the name of God, most Gracious, most Merciful:

1. W imie Boga Milosiernego i Litosciwego*!

2. Chwala Bogu, Panu swiatów,

3. Milosiernemu i Litosciwemu,

4. Królowi Dnia Sadu.

5. Oto Ciebie czcimy i Ciebie prosimy o pomoc.

6. Prowadz nas droga prosta

7. droga tych, których obdarzyles dobrodziejstwami; nie zas tych, na których jestes zagniewany, i nie tych, którzy bladza.

I am unable to read Polish, so i hope the translation is accurate as possible to the English one u see.

Really?

Pakistan's Parliament recently approved a bill to change the 1979 Hudood Ordinance, a law based on Islamic principles that requires rape victims to produce four witnesses to the crime. But the move has angered many conservative Muslims.

"We will not let Pakistan become secular," the supporters of a coalition of Islamic groups chanted.

Source: cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/26/world/main2208920.shtml?source=RSSattr=World_2208920

I didn't say you did. I just quoted you for my initial response about the different readings.

Everything after that was for anyone interested in reading on.


It's not a muslim thing, it's more of a middle-eastern thing. A lot of them just happen to be muslim, that's all.

Laws of the country decide legal punishment.

El Gato I agree I said its not Islam its the middle east culture.

Also Elixa, you say Islam is against honor killings, that's fine that doesn't mean it doesn't happen in the muslim culture and sometimes its accepted. the bible is against killing does that mean no christian kill. difference is its not acceptable in any christian culture. but accepted in some muslim circles.

don't quote me the koran, I don't judge peoples words but their actions. I can preach all day about peace and love and then I go kill someone. my words dont mean sh*t then.

why do many girls convert. 5 is not many. lol

Not true. The KKK is a perfect example. They are devout Southern Baptists and then they say that all n*ggers, chinks, and gays should be killed. Some of them still kill. One especially cruel form is a "F@g Drag" where they tie the victim to the back of a truck and drag them to their death.

While it's not accepted by the US government, that community sees nothing wrong with it.

Every group of people has its idiots. Regardless of race, culture, religion, etc.

Sadly, some aspects of Middle Eastern culture are very cruel, but there are some people that say giving a convicted serial killer the death penalty is cruel. If man kills others outside of war or self defense, should he not suffer the same fate?

Westerners used to be just as cruel as some middle-easterners today, but most of the western world moved on. The middle east will too. Its always been a turbulant place, and it still is today.

While I disagree with some of their rules and laws, we can't really do anything about it. Unless you want the Pope to call some kind of "Moral Crusade"

I see why you are bothered by the treatment of women in the Arabic world, but don't put them all in the same group. Many middle eastern people are very kind and only want peace.

let me tell you the difference:

you don't have priests preaching violence unlike the muslim religious leaders

you don't have the western public preaching death to whatever country. unlike death to America

kkk please if they will kill anyone they would be pursued by the law and thrown in jail.

also you said western used to be like that. the key word is used to be

don't compare what happens in america to that in middle east.

And eventually things will change in the Middle East. We moved on, they will too. Nothing is forever. All it takes is a spark to set off a whole chain of events.

Heard of Rosa Parks?

Yes, that is different from today, but all we can do is say we don't like it. Things are slowly changing there, very slowly, but they will get better.

All I am saying is that it is not all of them. There are those who just want to live in peace.

El Gato,

I am not saying all of them, what's happening is disgusting, and to deny it like elixa is not helpful. better to say yeah its happening but we are trying to change it instead of lying about it.

what does Rosa Parks and a bus have to do with muslims and their culture..
she fought for a right.. they fight each other. literally.


I doubt that, its a third world country..


well all I can say is,, dont call your teddy bear any certain names in front of them..

elixa

You been told lies :)..........reading the Quran lol, which muslim ever reads it....its full of rubbish anyway.

Since I convert to Christianity I am no longer accepted by muslims...or my family. this why you must convert to it, so you are accepted yes..

I never disrespect anyones religion, but I dont listen to everyones either.

every book printed in the name of... is what we interpret.. and if you use it
to manipulate.. then you are a sorry arse Bastage .. Ive more to say but
it goes against my respect.. for others.. not those who use religion in the wrong
way or wrong reasons.

Marty101, very good post.

Suggest you all read:

The Myth of Islamic Tolerance: How Islamic Law Treats Non-Muslims by Robert Spencer.

Available new and used through Amazon.com @$17.00; Amazon.co.uk for £15.40 or £8.60; also available at Amazon in Canada.

can you give me a preview............

Throughout history different religions have done horrible things...Islam is in that position now. That is not anti-anything it is just reality. When Muslims get control of their own and stop the fanatics from attacking and killing people then we can talk.

I am not a christian of any flavor either but I don't see them blowing people up or chopping off heads regularly so I tolerate them. They do need to stop molesting children but that is another topic.

I eat pork, drink booze, my woman drives, she is my equal, she doesn't cover her head, and I wipe my ass with paper and not my hand. I do not do any of these things to offend you and you will not make me stop. If that makes you want to kill me then you have proven my point.

You can say the people that do the horrible things are not Muslims but they are wearing your team's colors so you better reel them in if you truly want peace.

Wanna share life and the world with me? Great...but I will not give an inch of my space and life because you are bothered by it.

I'm about half way through the book. It's a collection of articles and essays regarding laws of Islam regarding the treatment of non-Muslims. There are six parts:

1- Islamic Tolerance: Myth and Reality
2- Islamic Law Regarding Non-Muslims
3- Islamic Practice Regarding Non-Muslims
4- The Myth and Contemporary Geopolitics
5- Human Rights and Human Wrongs at the United Nations.
6- The Myth in Comtemporary Academic and Public Discourse.

For example: by Islamic law, non-Muslims don't have much of standing in court. The court law counts the word of the Muslim as true even if two pagans, three Jews and four Christians say otherwise. Christians cannot build new churches or repair the old ones. Non-Muslims cannot own a house that is bigger than their Muslims neighbors. Muslim woman may not marry non-Muslims.

I'm not at all suprised at this... I wish more people read this book so they can see the mindset these people have..... Some people on this forum try to potray these people as , victims trying to protect themselves..... I say protect what??? their savagry.....

If you are Muslim and you wish to withdraw, you can't. If you do, you're an apostate and subject to death.

In Egypt, e.g. Judaism and Christianity are recognized religions. Hindus, Buddists, Shintoist, Wiccan, aethists, etc. have no rights. The Egyptian Supreme Court ruled that one must select Muslim, Jew or Christian as one's religious identity.

These people shouldn't have rights, anyway...

yet more talk of muslims, is this MF now or still PF i'm confused, so much muslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslimmuslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslimmuslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslimmuslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslimmuslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslimmuslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslimmuslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslimmuslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslimmuslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslimmuslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslimmuslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslimmuslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslimmuslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslimmuslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslim muslim. When will it all end and we can get back to normal without talking about this dam, way of life or religion

After we take away the rights of the Wiccans, who's next?

Possible explanation for the layout change?

Why do you say that? Wiccans aren't even a proper religion. Its some kind of cult that worships witchcraft and evil. They should all get thrown onto an island, anyway.

They are laughable.

That's not true....Wicca is a religion just like any other.
Filios, don't make me put a hex on you! hehe ;)

Oh no! : (


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