Polish-Islam Relationship Union

Jesus versus Mohammed.
This is an interesting link to a similar discussion for people that genuinely want to learn more.
gawaher.com/index.php?showtopic=19060&st=0

As for cutting off hands - what about strapping people to chairs and frying them by electricity ?
In Jerusalem, women have to sit at the back of the bus, no not Islamic but Jewish doctrines.

Let him who is free from sin cast the first stone, and all that.

Why is it that ur studying the misquoted and as they say "cut and paste method" with the quran?Where do they teach you these verses.

Strangely with all these misleading information , islam is still and will always be the fastest growing religion despite all those misconception thrown on it

THATS SO STRANGE

jesus didnt tell anyone to do that..

its the public who makes these decisions.. if Im not mistaken,Ben Franklin discovered electricity .

:)

First your wrong, read the history of Muhammed. Here's a website to start with.
apostatesofislam.com

As far as Exodus, Jesus wasn't part of it.......


omg, it looks like you know nothing about your own religion....... Sure you include stories of Abraham in the Koran doesn't mean Abraham started the religion..... It was Muhammed responsible for the book you see today... What kind of muslim are you if you don't know that...


Great point.....

btw Truth is Muhammed deserved to go to hell...

bellzii
i didnt creat any thing from mine, its in your quran
read again my friend and calm down, just think not be angry

(( this words from god)) its in your quran or no ??
dont escape by talking about cut and paste, face the true here why all this kind of hate in your book ( for who is un muslim) < world changed this days and you cant hide any things < just i want from you to think well and talk logical

with my Regards HAPPY EASTER by the way for all[b][/b]
again for you .....................

Qur’an:9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”
Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”
Ishaq:325 “Muslims, fight in Allah’s Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious.”

Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”

Qur’an:9:38 “Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah’s Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place.”

Qur’an:9:123 “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”

exmuslim.com

another website by ex-Muslims...... people who seen the savagery of Islam... A religion founded by a man who was a murder, pervert, and a savage...

i actually had a look at this website and wasnt 2 impressed!!!


islam was around way before the quran was revealed to the prophet..and im not going to sit and explain to you what i know and dont know about my own religion..your not even a frickin muslim and you think you know so much by what your reading off the net!!!


u keep finding these websites which are anti-islam but have u tried to search the web about sites which are pro-islam??? coz i think you'l find that there are many more!

By you skipping around the fact that Muhammed was the founder of Islam, it just gives off this vibe that you are embarrassed by his actions.

You say Im not muslim so I can't know, pick up a history book instead of the Koran and you will see who Muhammed really was.

btw Tell me since you seem to be such a scholar. How can you believe in Jesus and Muhammed when they preach exact opposite messages?

i think muslim afraid or they dont know abou they religion, about all detailes, and maybe there is alot of things hidden, and they cant ask about it, bec the IMAM will not answer, and will not accept or allowed for them to think about it,

dont force your religion on to us in our Christian country and we will happily leave you alone..

Stop blowing up trains and buses in the name of Islam and we will gladly let you get on with things.

Stop murdering 30 women a week in Iraq in the name of Islam and we will gladly let you get on with it.

Stop demanding that you (muslims) are the persecuted ones and we will gladly let you get on with it.

England is a Christian country not a Muslim one and the sooner that you realise this and realise that the UK will NEVER be a muslim state the better for muslims it will be.

p.s.

your holy (i use the term holy very losely) book is full of lies and contractions and muslims are too arrogant to question these lies.

ShelleyS,

Very well said.......... I think you pretty much summed that up........

Matthias, I think my post pretty much sums up what most people think, obviously not all because you will always have the "do gooders in dungarees"....!!!

very well said really shelleys ,,,,,,,,,, you get the point

how many people that live in this country actually believe in God and go 2 church???


im hoping here u dont mean me personally because im not forcing no one..! nobodys forcing you to become a muslim..i dont know where you keep getting that idea..???!!!


these people that do this are known as extremist..they are a minority..suicide is frowned upon in islam so technically suicide bombings cant exactly be a good thing!


wat about all them innocent people that are being killed in iraq because of this so called war on terror! no-one complains then when the army kills civillians..!!!


and i think u mean contradictions..! so wat if it is?? ur not following islam so wats it got2 do with u? the bible contradicts itself..u dont hear people complaining bout that do u??

I do.. and I know of thousands of other people that do too.

England was a Christian nation all throughout history, church numbers don't matter. If they did are you saying that England should be a muslim state because more muslims visit the mosque.


Minority? out of almost a billion muslims that minority adds up to several hundred thousand terrorists. Not to mention the tens or hundreds of million muslims that support these people(openly or secretly).... Majority sympathizes with the terrorists and wishes for them to succeed.

As to you saying islam is against sucide. the Quron is full of contradictions and they preach against sucide while at the same time preaching 50 virgin for matrydom. Which is it? Same goes for Islam's belief in Jesus and Muhammed. Jesus believes in turn the other cheeck, Muhammed clearly believes in revenge. Once again which is it???


your so primitive if you can't tell the differance, the terrorists target civilians on purpose while soldiers only target the terrorists. Only reason for loss of civilians is that the terrorists are such COWARDS they hide among children and women.

What would you do if a terrorists is hiding amoung children shooting at you? It's a difficult position but the soldier is not to blame but the terrorist.


maybe you can give us some examples, because I can give you at least 20 off the top of my head about Islam.

quite a lot actually.


thats funny, I thought the reward of going paradise was on offer (im not gonna mention the 30 virgins or whatever it is) and your "holy" (again Im using the word holy in a very very lose way) men openly condone the killings.


I dont actually remember saying I was happy about the situation in iraq, but stoning your own people and hanging women in public is hardly a civilised way of doing things...or is it okay to murder in the name of Allah or honour?


Thank you for that.


I think you meant what


You are?

(I wont bore you with picking you up on the rest of your retarded text spelling)


Yes it does and we have religious scholars making new discoveries about the bibles interpretations all the time, but Christians unlike muslims are slightly less extreme and are prepared to listen and understand that mistakes happen and things get lost in translation....muslims on the other hand are too arrogant and pig headed to even think for one moment that they could be wrong and mohammed was a pervert and the book they love so much is full of sh$t and pig sh$t at that!

I have small proposal.

Instead of Musilm read Jew (in posts about muslims). lol ;)

welcome in multicultural societies. As long as religion is important factor there will be some tensions....

I disagree, I live very close a very Jewish area and there have never ever been any problems, its totally different. Whereas there have been problems (riots) in asian and black areas.

Its shame you didnt watch Panaroma last night, it was very interesting how Asians are targetting young (troubled) white girls (as young as 13) and getting them involved in drugs and pimping them out. The Jewish communities are clean and respectable and by and large Jewish people integrate they are not ghettos and how many Jewish people do you know try and convert Christians?

do a google search on it.

I am not talking about Jews ... I just wanted to signalise something ...
Ok todays Jews are much different than it the past ... they were expeled form England, Germany, Spain ... finaly were in Poland and called this country Jewish paradise (yes Poland for hundrets years was called Jewish paradise) most of them didn't assimilated because of their religion/culture. Germans or Russians assimilated in easier way. Todays Jews learned a lot and we learned a lot how to behave in this case.

Do you have pubs where not for british in UK ? Get used to it because as long as religion is important for muslims in your country big part of their society will not assimilate. Jews started to assimilate in 20 century when some of them realized that religion is not the most important thing in their life. Holocaust was made by Germans, form the other hand there were people before WWII who wanted to send orthodox Jews from Poland to Palestine, there were shops only for Jews ... and you ShelleyS would like to send musilms somwere ... In my opinion you should fight against religion (in sophisticated way ... I think EU does a lot of good job in this case) or get used that there will be parts of your towns where europeans will not be tolerated ...

Bit like the emperor constantine then...the origional pope and a roman boy shagger...hhhmmmm. cast ye not the first stone n all that eh?


never had it forced on me...maybe you are week willed?


Stop laying waist to entire towns and invading countries in the name of In God We trust...


Stop white on white domestic abuse and violance....


Never worn dungarees,dont stop me thingking you and your ilk are just as hatefull and spitefully ignorent as the loony hook handed muslim fanatics..


No it wasnt,its only been "christain" for about 1200 years...


hhhmmm,whats more of a coward,one with the (misguided) conviction that killing themselves as well as their targets is right,or the ones hiding at 15.000 feet in stealth bombers or randomly firing cruise missles at distant targets?


OMG,youve never heard a loony right wing yank bible thumper then?


lol,i somehow dont think there is going to be a sudden splurge of Islamic Pub chains opening up......

Istahu with your ideas is like with communism, it would be great if everybody were so idealistic like you are.

Unfortunately there are people like you, there are people like Shelley and like me ;)
in every society. So that is why communism is one of the worst systems.

I observe UK with curiousity, how long you will make concessions, benefits for second wifes, mosiques in areas where is no musilms (near olimpic stadium in London) why some people want to build it there ? Most of your society is opened minded (lets say more than religous muslims) ... do you see any progres in assimilation of some people ? or it is worst an worst ...

when I read Polish people who live in USA ... unfortunately they are assimilated :( they have only little symphaty for Poland (some hate country they come form ... lets leave them)

I think this is step in good direction :

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_law_on_secularity_and_conspicuous_religious_symbols_in_schools

it is not just about how many people go to church. England like rest of Europe is built on Christian heritage


forcing to change religion comes in different ways. The Dhimmi laws of Islam make life to hard Christians and Jews to sustain their religion. Under Islamic law Christians and Jews are paying more taxes than Muslims and their proof against a Muslim in court is not accepted. Dhimmi-laws were the reason why for example Bulgaria wanted independence from Ottoman empire. I have no doubt that when Muslims gain a majority in Europe they start this BS again. When I visited Amsterdam and talked to the people there, they were not p*ssed against gays,prostitutes or pot smokers, but Muslims.

Not at all.


Just shows how little you know.


Hmmm, not really getting what my point was. But at least women in the West have rights.


So you are you saying that its okay for "British born muslims" to kill their fellow Brits because of what Politicians decide!...hmmm


Im fully aware of how crazy some Amercians are about religion, but I am also aware that the Catholic church also studies and researches the bible and its interpretations.

America does not have a monopoly on religious nutters.

"England - more then 63% of muslims in England support Radical Islam and terror acts.
The number is only rising."

(it is London...)

Maybe you should have attended Church.... You would have known that Jesus and his disciples were the founders of Christianity.


In name of God, which country does that?????? If you think the US, it just shows your ignorance.....


LOL I guess your comparing this to blowing up innocent women and children....


Well of course it was pagaen but you know what I mean, you don't have to be stupid about it..... Probably kind of hard for you.....


randomly???? your to primative to see the differance.... no one shoots bombs randomly...... at $500,000 a bomb you can bet they have a target....


wow that video was disturbing...... This is what I love about Poland..... You would never find a muslim having the balls to say something like that.... he can mumble it underneath his breath.... but that's as loud as it gets...

As to the second video, the guy lost me when he started talking about the whale, but before that, as to the first part, he makes sense...

In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity

found this fact on the net, I don't know how accurate it is but I hope it's true...

did I say anything like that?No,you prove my point,you twist facts just as baldly as the islamic nutters,ergo you are just as bad as them with your hatefull little comments.

Lukasz,I agree,The french have got it about right.
Shelley,we all know your just a rascist babes newsflash,your the type of bigot as odious as the muslims bigots period.
lukasz,random % figures are just BS mate
matty, Jesus was a Jew,he didnt found christianity muppet.The founder of the church of Rome,your church,was Constantine....fek,Im not even a catholic and I seem to know its history better than you lot...


well If not being a bigot and a rascist is idealistic,fek me,paint my pink and call me an idealist,better than a fekin coward and hate spreader.

dummy, I know that Jesus was a Jew, doesn't mean that the bible isnt based on all his teachings.... what was that supposed to prove????????


Church of Rome???? once again what the hell are you talking about?????? Are the teachings of Christianity based on the teachings of the pope or Jesus????? Jesus of course.... So stop being ignorant by bringing this up... Not to mention the Apostile Peter is considered the father of the Church..... Maybe not the one in Rome but if you were Catholic you would have known that Christianity started long before Rome adopted it as a religion...

BTW obviously you don't know more, all yours facts are twisted.......

Yes,church of Rome,as in Roman catholic.......flump.....btw,Peter never set foot in Rome,fact.


well,lets see,er,hhhmmmm, Did jesus write anything down? Where were all the doctrines and Dogmas thought up? Yes,thats right ,Rome,not Galalea or Judea.......of course there were "christians" before Constantine saw the light,without them the gladiator shows would have been a couple of hours shorter :)but,your church,the Romish one would have seen them as heretics......

Jesus was a Buddist anyway
(look into where he disapeared to for the 15 odd year gap in the bible.....)