Polish-Islam Relationship Union

are you not listening....... why is the church of Rome involved in this..... we were talking about founder of Islam, and you correlated it with the Church of Rome... LET ME SAY THIS LOUDLY, CHURCH OF ROME IS NOT THE FOUNDER OF CHRISTIANITY...... WHILE MUHAMMED IS THE FOUNDER OF ISLAM....... NOW IF YOU WANT TO BRING IN SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE ARGUE AGAINST THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS......


lol.... so what, does that mean the new testament is not based on his teachings?????


that's not true, he actually came into the future bought himself a strip bar and managed it for 15 years before going back in time to continue his life's work...

Muhammed was only a messenger like jesus,moses,abraham and david, they all had one message, which is worshiping god and obeying his orders.


100% a lie , muslim to christianity converts are very little

So your saying Muhammed never said to kill all non-believers???? Is the Koran lying then?


Shiekh Ahmed Katani : "In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims ...

I guess everybody lying, even the Shiekh himself, huh????? that's your responce to everything....

Didn't Jesus say that there will be many false teachers after his death.... someone is lying.... Muhammed or Jesus..... You can't agree with both.... if any muslim can provide me with how Islam reconciles this, I would be happy to listen....

Matthew 24:4-5, 23-25 "Jesus answered them, 'Watch out that no one misleads you. For many will come in my name, saying, "I am the Christ," and they will mislead many ... Then if anyone says to you, "Look, here is the Christ!" or "There he is!" do not believe him. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Remember, I have told you ahead of time.'"

Matthew 7:15‑20 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so, every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, but a corrupt tree bringeth forth bad fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth bad fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore, by their fruits ye shall know them."

Well, from what I've gathered, God is unconditional love and doesn't have any negative feelings. Therefore, everyone who preaches violence, hatred and intolerance surely doesn't speak on God's behalf?

Well, right or wrong, I don't know everything, never had absolute certainties and that's all I have to say about it. All I know is, everyone can make the choice to do good or bad things..

So, I stick to what I know, and stick to what I can do to make life atleast a little better for myself and others around me..

Amen to that

Here is the part of the quran , u read and judge

Surat Baqarah
190. And fight in the Way of Allâh those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allâh likes not the transgressors.

191. And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out.And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Harâm (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

192.But if they cease, then Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Theres volumes explaining this so if any1's interested id be glad to pass them on.

Just a note to all ALL THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN THROWING SOME VERSUS OF THE QURAN ; WITH JUST THE INTENTION TO SHOW ISLAM AS A HORRIBLE MONSTER AND HOW BLOOD THIRSTY MUSLIMS ARE OR SHOULD BE. ALL THESE CUT AND PASTE VERSUS ARE CLEAR IF U READ THE VERSUSES BEFORE IT AND AFTER IT AND MANY SCHOLARS HAVE PUBLISHED VOLUMES FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU(those who try to trick ppl)


The prophet mohamed peace be upon him and all the other messengers ; never said he was jesus nor an angel, nor did he say im god or worship me.


read the prophet mohameds prophecies and u'll discover the truth
islamhouse.com/p/51912
islam101.com/religions/christianity/mBible.htm

There is alot.

ONE LAST CLEAR MESSAGE TO ALL

WE MUSLIMS CAN NOT CONVERT OR FORCE SOMEONE TO ISLAM AS STATED IN THE QURAN " 256. There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Tâghût and believes in Allâh, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allâh is All-Hearer, All-Knower."

WHAT WE CAN DO IS SHOW THE WAY , AND EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE , CUZ ITS ONLY YOU WHO WILL DECIDE UR DESTINY IN THE HEREAFTER

I HOPE I HAVENT OFFENDED ANYONE AND I THINK ITS ENOUGH JUST ARGUING AND LET US TRY TO FIND SOME COMMON BASES AND START FROM THERE

It is not problem of Islam. It is not question if it is good or bad. If it is peaceful or not. It is problem of differences between cultures. We are not going to accept (in Poland) social benefits for second wifes, or shiria law, or mariages with teens, stoning people. Small musilm society isn't problem. Big is problem. In my opinion when you will be in majority you will change law. I see you truly belive Allah is right, and when majority of people will think the same religous freedom will be over.

Some european states don't have anny expirience with assimilation of really exotic cultures. Me (Pole) and you know that muslims are not going to assimilate in enormously big % in upcomming 100 years. Some will aclimatisate in enviroment but there will be enourmous difference as long as they will be muslims.

Finaly small musilm society isn't problem. Big musilm society is problem. Polish tatars are the best example musilms, non whites, and accpted. They undestand what is mulitcultural society. They don't even try to tell us that Allah is right, and they have only one wife, and they go to polish courts they use Polish law their dauthers choose their husbands. After 600 years 80 % of them feel Polish.

Yes, he is. And he has a deal with one Lucifer to fry on the open fire for eternity all those who reject this unconditional love.

Lukasz , I appreciate u replying to my message, thats a bright light at last towards some civilized talks.I just wanted to clear somethings


Allah is not a special god of muslims , its just the arabic translation of the world god thats it.


Theres alot behind these rules, most have a rational explanation and others its falls under the ceiling of obeying gods laws


islam welcomes freedom whether freedom when ur a nonmuslim or as a muslim under gods limits


Im a muslim and i will choose my wife, and she has to have the same feeling towards me. Islam forbids forcing women for choosing a specific bride.

Are we talking about reallity or your interpretation of Koran ? As I know there is plenty of interpretations and I am not sure which is main stream.

Ok I want to show you one fact 95% of Polish people say they are Catholic, 70% of Polish people believe in God ... Poland is more complicated issue than some can think and there is strong influence of history ... it was forbiden to be catholic and we have our character ... When atheism would be forbiden I think there would be 70% of atheists in Poland ...

There is one problem with muslims and Polish people, we have our expirience and I don't think it will be possible to have 2 or more wifes. Demonstartions like this in London wouldn't be so peaceful... I am not going to trust muslims form countries where it is impossible to be christaian or atheist. They are strongly connected with their countries and as we know most of them don't feel French or British ... even who were born in this countries. . I don't consider Obama African muslim because he respects american culture and he has American way of thinking.

What is more you have in Coran statements that Islam is going to move on North ... and as I know some people think it is happening now ...

I don't believe in assimilation of religous muslims, as I know most of muslims don't believe in it as well. I am against opening borders for muslims. When I am in muslim country I have to respect you culture, law ... I think that people who don't understand law in european countries should be expelled as soon as possible to countries of their origin. I am not talking about whole groups of people, simple take this all people form demonstration (I posted on this page) and send them to countries they love.

Kosovo is the best example of what is going to happen in some places in Europe. Successfuly Poland is on one of the last places when there is this kind of danger.

So, sucide bombings are not considered transgressing the limits???? Beheadings? Stoning? cutting of hands?

And those quotes above only talk about fighting them when your attacked at Al-Masjid-al-Haram (the sanctuary at Makkah), doesn't explain muslim attacks everywhere else....

Also would like to know where was this muslim outrage when Saddam was slaughtering his own people by the thousands..... All of a sudden when you US invades there is a huge outcry, why?????? Is it because where Christians??????

Muslims are the least accepting of other faiths... In theory you can show me all the quotes from the Koran you want to support the opposite but the truth is that all other religions are repressed in the muslim world...... Converts to Christianity are harassed and even killed. This is either entrenched in middle east culture or Islam..... Why are their no muslims protests against sucide bombings if its so against the Koran or against your culture???? Let's face it majority of muslims in the middle east, and a large part of muslims in Europe sympathize with these criminals.....

turkey is mostly muslim and noone is allowed to marry with more than one wife, noone can marry in age of 12, there's no obligation for women to cover themselves and most of them don't, there's no any obligation for any turkish to be muslim, islam rules are not valid in turkish courts, and turkey is totally secular. so big muslim society is definitely not a problem.

he was saying big muslim societies in Europe were a problem, when they are large they tend to stick together and not want to intergrate into society.... Their is no incentive to, and btw he's right.....

As for Turkey, like you said they're secular, it's a concept the majority of muslim nations don't understand....

Sorry,but your maybe a bit younger than some of us,cant remember,but,look up some facts on the first Gulf war and see just how many Islamic nations were in that Coalition against saddam.

Some one else said that Muslim sociaties dont accept other faiths,well,granted the wahhibies (sp?) in Saudi are of that ilk but,well look into history and see for a fact that while the christians were going around slaughtering each other the Caliphate in Southern spain was pretty much a libereal paradise on earth for Muslims,Christians and Jews.It was only AFTER the Catholics dominated the Iberian peninsula that the jews were expeled and the inquisitions started.

Turks are the most civilized muslim nation.

Secular state is secular state, so it is different story.

Yes because Saddam attacked Kuwait and not becaue Saddam was slaughtering his own people....


Yes the wahhibies are one of those groups but their are many others.....


what are more recent Christian crimes, because if we play this history game, it's the muslims that first invaded Spain..... long before Spain decided to reclaim the terrority under Isabel's and Ferdinands reign.... Point is Christianity outgrew holy wars while Islam has not....

Good reply,no,its 6 of one half dozen of the other in lots of cases.


Not really mate,its just muslims seem to talk about it more openly.

tell me what holy wars Christians are involved in???? Don't say Iraq because Iraq had nothing to do with the country being Islamic..... Not to mention Kosovo is muslim, what kind of holy war are we fightin if we help muslims in one region which is closer to Europe and fight them in other regions...

Im not talking about the theoretical "us" mat. Just look at any of cromagnon or crows posts,dont tell me they dont see it as a war against another religion,ie a holy war.

I don't think they see it as a holy war..... If Albanians in Kosovo where Christian I think their would be the same exact responce...

That's not even mentioning the KLA in Kosovo (not Bosnia as you kindly pointed out) was just as responsible..... IMO both Serbia and KLA should have been punished.... Instead only Serbia paid the price while the KLA was rewarded...

Muslims more numerous than catholics:

hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/V/VATICAN_MUSLIMS?SITE=VOICESD&SECTION=H OME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Yeah that's true..... Catholics but not Christians........

As far as converts though, more muslims convert to Christianity than vice versa....

As far as the birth rates, muslims tend to have more children bringing in more muslims into the world.....

You implied it yes. I give my point of view and yes you know what that is, you think Im alone is this view? You think I woke up one morning and decided to be racist? It's been a long process Mr I - as for my Ilk you will never meet a more tollerent and open minded Ilk!

yes that's true, i heard 1/3 of brussels is muslim already and if it contunies with these birth rates in 15-20 years muslims will be the majority there. also one of my friend's cousin lives in germany, they are so religious and making a child every year to increase muslim population in germany. lol when i think about it, it's so ridiculous and funny. but if i was a christian european like you guys, i think i wouldn't like this idea either. so if you are so disturbed better care about family planning of muslims or make more children than them. like hmm.. 10-15 :p

lmao.... : ) good idea Isisores.... I better get started..... All I have to do now is convince my girlfriend...... If I'm not on the forum for the next 15 to 20 years, you'll know what I'm doing....


it is, I didn't know we were in a competition of who can have the most kids...... It's time for me to become a sex machine......

How versus can be taken out of context, just like they do with the Quran

Bradford Race Riots

this is UK "perfect multicultural state"
:)

You know nothing about the background to those riots do you lukasz?
It was less about race and more about poverty. The way the Police "handled" the initial protests was a scandel and IMHO was the main cause for the situation to become inflamed. Do you know there are young lads who litterally did nothing more than watch from the sidelines who are serving 14 year sentances for that? No,bet you didnt so,I suggest you look into the background of things you have NO experience of.

as to your asians they are mostly "musilms" asinans.

I will show you in this way, we prefere Ukrianians than muslims :) we haven't burned any african country, we haven't colonial past. No body can force us to take Algierians or Iranians. I think you pretend that everything is ok ... it is your decission.

PARIS RIOTS

lukasz,wtf are you smoking tonight?
Have you ever actually been out of Poland? Have you ever met any muslims?
Burning africa,dont talk rubbish man.
Algeria was a French colony......
Iran has never been a British colony or any one elses colony.
Really,your not doing yourself any favours with some of this silly paranoid tripe you come out with.
Paris riots,lmao,what do you know about the suberbs? Nothing Im guessing. Do me a favour,watch a brilliant French film called Le haine,great hip hop soundtrack,brilliant direction and even an old Pole who got sent to Siberia,it may just open your eyes and entertain you at the same time :)