Antisemitism in Poland; is it safe for a Jew to live in Poland?

well it only depends on your look, if you are not a Jew-at-first-sight as you say, you don't have to worry about anything, actualy the antisemitism in Poland is pretty overestimated as I might say, at the moment it is mostly used in politics and media, to gain whatever, normal people on the streets are more tolerant then you may think, of course, if you were wearing your traditional clothes and hairstyle you would be stared, pointed out, and maybe even mugged, but that also depends on the city

bottom line: if you don't look like a Jew, you won't be treated as one

The modern Greeks that have faith worship a God.


Well that depends on your point of view and what you believe in. If you’re a Christian then from your perspective he is a Son of God that was brought up in a Jewish family. If you’re an atheist or none Christian then from your perspective he is a Jew, so I can see how you can make such a blunder.

Everyone you mentioned came as a conquerers from another empire, romans, persians, crusaders ottomans etc. But the country existed as a separate entity and as a homeland for only one nation, the Jews. Since we were kicked out by the romans it wasn't a separate country for anyone else. It was just part of various empires and inhabited by a mixture of various neighboring ethnic groups. Even for the arabs, it's just a part of the Arab world and was never looked at as a country of its own till the Jews started resettling it 100 years ago.

Are you living in Israel yehudi?

Oy vey !

But what if an Israeli city were handed back to the Palestinians? By your logic this would legitimately be a seperate state as opposed to 'Greater Israel'. Face it - Israel is a state taken from the natives by predominately European and Russian settlers.

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This post I ve copied from other ( question to miranda, plk and justycia by super dupek ) thread to show how potentially danger and destructive could be that logic

Not surprising that you think terrorising,harrassing and dispossessing Palestinians's smart and funny. It's bloody not. It's criminal. Some of them have commited/still commit acts of terror which's criminal as well but what do you expect dispossessed,harrassed,humiliated people deprived of any meaningful ways of developing themselves but determined to regain what's lawfully theirs to do?


Fool no one,Jews refer to themselves as the holy people for obvious reasons ad
nd through their craftiness have managed to convince some weak souls that they really are. bibilical story my foot!
Peace to all genuinely peace loving Isrealis and Arabs, shame on all extremists.

I just thought I could answer a few questions asked in the original post.

Not being Jewish myself I have a lot of friends who are. I even used to live in a dormitory owned by the Jewish community a few years ago thanks to them (a great apartment by the way). There used to be a very strong Jewish community in Wroclaw but it fell apart after some internal problems that I don't know much about.

Of course there exist antisemitic organisations in Poland, yet none of my friends have ever been attacked by their members nor experienced acts of hostility from the local Polish community against them.

I don't know what it's like in smaller towns though, where the communities are smaller and less organized. In Wroclaw we have a few festivals of Jewish culture and music, the best Jewish kindergarten where Polish Catholic children are sent because its level of education is very high, there is a beautiful synagogue we are all proud of, Institute of Jewish Studies as a part of the Philology Department and an active discussion group basing on the Jewish leftist tradition.

It seems to me that as long as people are familiar with the culture and co-exist on the same territory on similar terms it is unlikely that Poles will consider the Jewish as strangers, aliens or any sort of evil power that they should isolate from.

Are you a christian? Read your bible mister. It wasn't our idea. It was God's idea to pick us for his own reasons. If you don't believe that then you believe the bible is an imaginary story and then you can't be a christian.


What do you mean "what if"? We gave them Gaza, Ramallah, Hebron, Jenin and other cities and towns to have their own state. They use them as a base for attacking our towns with missles. Why don't you give Wroclaw back to Germany.


Yes I am, BB.

Mr Sidelock, the official teaching of the RCC is that Christians are the chosen people and I think that in most religions/cults people believe (one way or another) that they are "chosen"... but only your tribemen seem to be arrogant enough to bang about It all over the place.

BTW

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How f*cked up people most be to talk such things ? Show me another nation, which is that arrogant.

A little alteration to the topic 'Is it safe for a blue bottle to live in Poland??'!!!!!

I can't believe some of the questions that are asked on this forum. This is an example of a question that could be asked for anyone in any city or any country. I can't believe there have been five pages devoted to this subject, lol.

How come there are so many threads about Jews ?

They come here and try to infiltrate us...

first, that not my words u have been pin down to me
second, dont start with that carp about my bible and your bible, you dont even know what my bible is if there is one. I dont wont to talk about Israel cos question in the thread is different nature... but...just few quick thoughts... what u doing down there is against humanity, against best human philosophies, u prove your methods not different from nazis, when some population is treated like animals or even worse( cos human beings have empathy animals no )from your pseudo science point of view based on your "chosen people" holiness

To address the original topic: Is it safe for a Jew to live in Poland. My advice is that if you can't be yourself, that is, if you can't live like a Jew openly in a particular country, then don't go there. I visited Poland and didn't hide my Jewishness. Nobody bothered me. I don't know if I bothered them, and i don't care.

Hello Im off topic but I see hot atmosphere here. Have you got any tips on the result of Beitar Jerusalem-Wisła Kraków game tomorrow night? You are invited on Polish sports: New polish football season 2008/09

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yeah but what about if your a Jewish Blue Bottle, is that safe???


apparently the game has been postponed until the people on PolishForums.com have decided if its safe enough for the Jews to travel to Krakow. were still waiting on the results as of now

You were the only ones who refused to accept the gift of greek civilization.


I think you forget that Byzantine monks and intellectuals had already translated Aristotle works into latin since official language of Byzantine was latin.
After conquest of Constantinopol in 1453 by Ottomans the intellectuals fled to teach greek language and philosophy to West thus inspiring the Renaissance.


Yes,like freedom,democracy and some more issues.


Because of another Jew,Apostol Pavel.


Unfortunately and after a big cultural battle.

Dark-haired Polish guys shouldnt wear glasses then. They always look well kosher.

well, they can be like that but there is plenty of blond ones as well
it is all about ( sorry to say that ) cultural cancer.
It memorize me chinese confutionism and strange Indian buddism in China back to 3000 years ago

Gods do not pick anybody because gods do not exist.

Here's how it works: first people invent a god or gods and than make him/her/them do whatever is suitable to the god's creators. Praise the Lord!

So tell me again how many Lebanese died in Israel's 2006 failed invasion?


Interesting that you mention Wroclaw. Like Israel it has belonged to a number of 'owners' over the past couple of thousand years - off the top of my head the Poles, the Germans, the Czechs, the Bohemians, the Silesians and God knows who else. Why should it go to the Germans? Do they have the same historical claim to Breslau that the Israelis have to Israel? Of course not. Basing ownership on historical claims, Wroclaw should belong to the Ancient Celts, and Israel should belong to whatever tribes inhabited the area thousands of years ago.

It's easy to tell half truths, but I think most of the world saw what happened in 2006: Hizbollah (not even palestinians) attacked Israel with no provocation, killing some soldiers and kidnapping and then murdering two others. Hizbollah was the only military force in south lebanon and we attacked them in retaliation and did our best to destroy their military power. While we were doing that, they showered missles all across the Galilee into Israeli towns and villages and cities killing civilians. How many Lebanese died? As many as Hizbollah wanted. No one asked them to start fighting and the could have stopped it by giving back the kidnapped soldiers. But , I forgot, they were already murdered by then, so they coudn't be returned. But they kept that little secret to themselves till this month.


I mentioned Wroclaw/Breslau specifically as an example of a city that Germany lost because of a war they started. The arabs had Gaza and "west bank" till 1967, and the only reason they lost those areas was because they started a war in 1967 to wipe us out. They lost. Tough luck. Next time be happy with what you got.


It does. Unless you find some Canaanites, Amorites and Hittites, we're the only claimants left.

NO ! End of topic.

Grzeg must know what he's talking about. So your answer, alangleben, is forget Poloand and come to israel.

Breslau is not the right example anymore!

With both Germany and Poland in the EU, with no borders anymore and everyone being free to settle where he wants to, equals between equals, it's not comparable to the Jew/Arab relationship anymore.

Maybe decades back it would had been comparable as in two ethnic groups fighting over land, claiming it for themselves, unable to find a compromise.

The "holy land" has still a loooooong way to go!

And yes, I think Jews should flock to Israel - I mean why has the world to bear all that fuss in the first place when even the Jews in their majority prefer to live somewhere else?

Shouldn't get the land then to the people who actually WANT to live there?

I see your point. When the middle east turns into a peaceful place like the EU, we can find more pleasant solutions to the problems of borders and sovereignty. But remember it didn't happen in Europe until many years after germany accepted the loss of silesia and poland accepted (I think) the loss of th eastern regions, etc. If the Arabs can accept that Israel is here to stay and want to create a middle eastern union, I'm all for it. But like you say, we have a long way to go.

I don't think it's gonna happen. For Israel to survive as a Jewish state they have to continue their current policies against Arabs living within Israel's borders. If they stop and opt for democracy instead then Israel will not survive as a Jewish state. So it's either democracy or permament state of war.

IMO, about the only, albeit slim, chance to prolong Israel's Jewishness would be if all Jews from around the world moved to Israel. That won't happen either, and for one simple reason - Israel cannot survive economically and thus militarilly on its own and without foreign... ahem... aid.

Well, the kidnapping of two soldiers, which was first reported to have happened on Lebanon's side of the border, did provoke the invasion, yes. However do you really believe that the resulting invasion that killed 1000 Lebanese and did millions of damage to property and infrastruction was at all within any proportion? No.


Indeed it is interesting that you chose Wroclaw as an example. At the end of WW2 Poland lost a large expanse of unprofitable farmland in the East and gained the industrial, coal-rich Silesia - quite a result for an ambitious country in the 20th century! Didn't Israel gain land and water supplies as a result of the 1967 war? Are you going to give that back like the UN keeps asking you to?


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