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Antisemitism in Poland; is it safe for a Jew to live in Poland?


Arien  
19 Jul 2008 /  #61
The work environment changes steadily but still wherever this person goes he is disliked and mistrusted...

They're not being disliked and mistrusted by everyone? I've simply asked you if you or anyone else should have a reason to hate someone you don't really know? We're all different individuals, and we all act, think, talk and look a bit different from one another? You may not always like what the other one is doing or talking about, but with a little more respect this given fact of life certainly makes life more interesting doesn't it?
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
19 Jul 2008 /  #62
They're not being disliked and mistrusted by everyone? I've simply asked you if you or anyone else should have a reason to hate someone you don't really know?

Is that not fear, some of the stuff I read on this forum could easily be translated to "I do not know what is going on, I am afraid".

We're all different individuals,

I'm different like everybody else....hhuuummm..??

this given fact of life certainly makes life more interesting doesn't it?

Viva la deference!!!
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,436  
19 Jul 2008 /  #63
They're not being disliked and mistrusted by everyone? I've simply asked you if you or anyone else should have a reason to hate someone you don't really know? We're all different individuals, and we all act, think, talk and look a bit different from one another? You may not always like what the other one is doing or talking about, but with a little more respect this given fact of life certainly makes life more interesting doesn't it?

I can only say I LEARNED to dislike jewish affairs....I surely had alot of compassion and even respect for them as a kid, most of it is gone now!

And I think I can safely say they grate on lots of peoples nerves..
superjay - | 47  
19 Jul 2008 /  #64
As regards antisemitism in Ireland there was a small outbreak in Limerick in 1904

I'm impressed! Who but the Jews could get crime in LIMERICK (of all places) accurately reported and investigated...how powerful is this Jewish lobby?

there was a very very small amount of Jews

although normally we have 3 or 4 Jewish TDs in the Dail (Irish parliament)...so in the corridors of power in Ireland Jews are usually massively over-representated...by a couple of thousand percent considering their demographic
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
19 Jul 2008 /  #65
although normally we have 3 or 4 Jewish TDs in the Dail (Irish parliament)...so in the corridors of power in Ireland Jews are usually massively over-representated...by a couple of thousand percent considering their demographic

Really? I really have never heard that before. But to what ends? I eman what does it mean?
Members of a certain religious belief have posts in all sorts of places.
Arien  
19 Jul 2008 /  #66
Viva la deference!!!

Mon ami!

And I think I can safely say they grate on lots of peoples nerves..

I think I can safely state that I've been working on people's nerves just aswell? There's no shame in admitting that, because you can't go through life and avoid being disliked by atleast someone? But if that's your opinion of the Jewish in general then that's fine with me, but it's certainly not mine! I'm curious though, what would other people have to do with your personal opinion?

Oh, and some Dutch celebrities are also in a Dutch-Jewish relationship and happy with eachother so your comment about the Jewish shunning our communities simply isn't true!
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,436  
19 Jul 2008 /  #67
I think I can safely state that I've been working on people's nerves just aswell? There's no shame in admitting that, because you can't go through life and avoid being disliked by atleast someone? But if that's your opinion of the Jewish in general then that's fine with me, but it's certainly not mine! I'm curious though, what would other people have to do with your personal opinion?

The topic was anti-semitism, wasn't it? And I stated a theory of mine, that's all!

Oh, and some Dutch celebrities are also in a Dutch-Jewish relationship and happy with eachother so your comment about the Jewish shunning our communities simply isn't true!

The Jews themselves love to talk about the big bad anti-semitic world and their eternal victim status! THAT IS EXACTLY that why they grate so on the nerves of so many people.

They can f.u.c.k. with whomever they like I don't care....but this is rarely the headline of the world news, very rarely!
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
19 Jul 2008 /  #68
The Jews themselves love to talk about the big bad anti-semitic world and their eternal victim status!

I would mind such sweeping statments about any group.
What's up BB? why are you getting mad?
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,436  
19 Jul 2008 /  #69
Of course we are using generalizations...it's THE polish, THE germans, THE irish, THE dutch...why not THE Jews.
Wahldo  
19 Jul 2008 /  #70
why are you getting mad?

It's a sentiment shared by many on this board.. there are many threads about this on PF.

He's German, so he can't get mad?
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
19 Jul 2008 /  #71
Of course we are using generalizations...it's THE polish, THE germans, THE irish, THE dutch...why not THE Jews.

So you speak for ALL germans? I doubt it. I certainly do not speak for all Irish people.

It's a sentiment shared by many on this board.. there are many threads about this on PF.

Yes I know, but BB is quit sensible and puts forth good debates and back them up. Unlike a lot of the senseless rants of fools

He's German, so he can't get mad?

What are you talking about, he is German, so what?
Wroclaw Boy  
19 Jul 2008 /  #72
Jews are a law unto themselves, in everyday life who knows the difference. Get them up close and all will become clear. Their not quite like any other religious group on this planet.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,436  
19 Jul 2008 /  #73
So you speak for ALL germans? I doubt it. I certainly do not speak for all Irish people.

Well, the other way would be posting lists of names...and using generalizations in a debate is quite common, so...

I will bow out here now!
Wahldo  
19 Jul 2008 /  #74
What are you talking about, he is German, so what?

I mean if he's English, Polish maybe what he said wasn't a "sweeping generalization".
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
19 Jul 2008 /  #75
I do not understand you, of course if he were Chinese, English or Polish it would still be a sweeping statement. I think you are fishing in the wrong pond with that one.

I will bow out here now!

Excuse me, I did not mean to do that, just usually you put forward debatable theories and usually well thought out, that's all.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,436  
19 Jul 2008 /  #76
Excuse me, I did not mean to do that, just usually you put forward debatable theories and usually well thought out, that's all.

Even a Bratwurst can have a bad day, right?

Good night! :)
Wahldo  
19 Jul 2008 /  #77
I think you are fishing in the wrong pond with that one.

Or maybe I just hooked another bottom feeder. Lot's of times on here certain groups get the podium while others are shhhed like children.

Exit stage right for me as well.. besides it just gets deleted anyway.
Del boy 20 | 254  
19 Jul 2008 /  #78
Lot's of times on here certain groups get the podium while others are shhhed like children.

who name it :)
GaelForce - | 15  
19 Jul 2008 /  #79
Just reading the Jewish restitution business on another thread and see there are old property issues that I was not aware of. Klutz foreigner me!
Del boy 20 | 254  
19 Jul 2008 /  #80
where? Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, can we all claim an old property issues on II RP or only Jews can in present Poland? lets just jump on Russia then? Strong enough?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
19 Jul 2008 /  #81
First of all Jews are the biggest antisemitis...

It's like Poles were calling Russians anti-Slavists... The best example how the chosen can spin the things...
superjay - | 47  
19 Jul 2008 /  #82
It's like Poles were calling Russians anti-Slavists
that is spot on - Jews and Arabs alike are Semites!

But to what ends? I eman what does it mean?

i don't know SeanBM, just struck me as odd. I actually don't see much evidence of any Jewish agenda (whatever that might be?!) in Ireland, or in Irish policy making despite what I pointed out. If I was a believer in some grand Jewish conspiracy I would probably look up Irish government policy in respect of banking and finance, sectors where Jews normally punch above their weight in terms of representation versus population. But like I said, it just struck me as odd (or stereotypical), but I have no theory as to what it means....don't move in the right circles
OP alangleben 2 | 1  
20 Jul 2008 /  #83
not gonna lie, im quite upset by what ive been reading here, almost as if there is some sort of conspiracy that the jews are playing onto general people.

Afew points have been made, valid ones. Like why are Jews over represented in parliaments, with more Jewish MP's than the demographic.
Education is the most central value for Jews, everything else becomes irrelevant for a parent, giving your child a good secular and jewish education is very important to people. This is shown in the UK 2001 Cencus where it indicated that 55% of all Jews aged between 25-34 have a university degree compared with 28% of the general population, the statistics are different in every country, but mostly similar. In the United States the number is alot higher.

Another reason for Jewish peoples success is that they were immigrants/refugees in almost all of the modern world, and all immigrants aspire to become successful and leave their immigrant status behind. Real incentive has fueled all of this.

These statistics explain why there are lots of successful Jewish businessmen, laywers, doctors etc... Not some crazy conspiracy theories.

Im probably going to be slated now by people who seem to have something against Jewish people.
Del boy 20 | 254  
20 Jul 2008 /  #84
alangleben

Your statistic aren’t lie just simple not represent a hole spectrum of Jewish population. Jews, when you compare them to the rest of native population among they live, may to be of that percent but looking from different angle Jews in Israel could be more relevant to that kind of researching or statistics, Jews never belong to a peasant class in any country ( at least in last 2000 years ), first time in Israel ( or Palestine in that time when they started coming there ). Outsiders who consider themselves that way for more than couple hundred years, with “chosen people” attitude ( mostly orthodox - fanny hats ) have to learn more how to survive in strange environment. Natives without that feeling stay in the way they live, having drink, enjoy nature and so on.

Israel is definitely not perfect country but let’s just wait until, like someone said, will have its own hoods and hookers and then start doing that sort of statistics.
wildrover 98 | 4,451  
20 Jul 2008 /  #85
For the first time in my life i have just met some Jewish people...they stayed at my farm for a few days whilst filming for a movie to be shown in both Polish and Israeli cinema...I have to say that Keren and Adi were the nicest people i have met in a long time , and i was happy to have them stay with me...They did say that they did expect some hostility from some Poles , and they asked me not to tell any people we met that they were from Israel...They didn,t blame people for this hostility , rather they expected it as a result of Israels actions in the middle east...I can,t speak for all Jewish people , as i met only two , but as i say they were very nice people...Incidentally , look out for the film when its released later next year , especially look out for the English guy on the Harley.....its me....
Wahldo  
20 Jul 2008 /  #86
filming for a movie to be shown in both Polish and Israeli cinema

Whew.. I hope you read the script for the film. Could be some crazy sh/t.. make everybody mad in your neck of the woods.
wildrover 98 | 4,451  
20 Jul 2008 /  #87
Could be some crazy sh/t..

No its nothing that will upset anybody , its basically a road movie , about somebody travelling to Poland for the first time , and all the people they stay with and meet on the way , including me.....
Arien  
20 Jul 2008 /  #88
Jews never belong to a peasant class in any country

I'm sorry but they do. I know a few Jewish Electricians aswell. (You may have noticed Holland calls itself a friend of Israel?) I do not agree with the Israelian stance on Palestina, in fact, I happen to disagree with a lot of things but that's just because I probably expect too much wisdom coming from adults who call themselves politicians.. My point is that they're just people like you and me, and I think everyone knows that we have both good, a little less better, a bit of bad and also rotten apples on every branch of the tree!
Wahldo  
20 Jul 2008 /  #89
and all the people they stay with and meet on the way , including me.....

Oh okay, sounds interesting. What kind of hog do you have?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
20 Jul 2008 /  #90
They didn,t blame people for this hostility , rather they expected it as a result of Israels actions in the middle east...

That wouldn't happen as people in Poland don't really care about that mess and most of those, who do would rather be happy If both sides just killed each other... the problem is Polonophobic **** coming out of their asses.

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