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Antisemitism in Poland; is it safe for a Jew to live in Poland?


Spankin - | 2  
28 Jul 2008 /  #151
well it only depends on your look, if you are not a Jew-at-first-sight as you say, you don't have to worry about anything, actualy the antisemitism in Poland is pretty overestimated as I might say, at the moment it is mostly used in politics and media, to gain whatever, normal people on the streets are more tolerant then you may think, of course, if you were wearing your traditional clothes and hairstyle you would be stared, pointed out, and maybe even mugged, but that also depends on the city

bottom line: if you don't look like a Jew, you won't be treated as one
Piorun - | 658  
28 Jul 2008 /  #152
Anyway, the modern greeks worship a Jew

The modern Greeks that have faith worship a God.

What was Jesus, an Arab?

Well that depends on your point of view and what you believe in. If you’re a Christian then from your perspective he is a Son of God that was brought up in a Jewish family. If you’re an atheist or none Christian then from your perspective he is a Jew, so I can see how you can make such a blunder.
yehudi 1 | 433  
28 Jul 2008 /  #153
Why do you say this is Jewish land?

Everyone you mentioned came as a conquerers from another empire, romans, persians, crusaders ottomans etc. But the country existed as a separate entity and as a homeland for only one nation, the Jews. Since we were kicked out by the romans it wasn't a separate country for anyone else. It was just part of various empires and inhabited by a mixture of various neighboring ethnic groups. Even for the arabs, it's just a part of the Arab world and was never looked at as a country of its own till the Jews started resettling it 100 years ago.
MrBubbles 10 | 614  
28 Jul 2008 /  #156
the country existed as a separate entity and as a homeland for only one nation, the Jews

But what if an Israeli city were handed back to the Palestinians? By your logic this would legitimately be a seperate state as opposed to 'Greater Israel'. Face it - Israel is a state taken from the natives by predominately European and Russian settlers.
Del boy 20 | 254  
28 Jul 2008 /  #157
I like these two videos



This post I ve copied from other ( question to miranda, plk and justycia by super dupek ) thread to show how potentially danger and destructive could be that logic

Focussing solely on crimes committed by certain ethnic groups, when such crimes are committed similarly frequently by a whole range of ethnic groups is a sign of racism.

eagle - | 29  
28 Jul 2008 /  #158
We're smart. We're funny.

Not surprising that you think terrorising,harrassing and dispossessing Palestinians's smart and funny. It's bloody not. It's criminal. Some of them have commited/still commit acts of terror which's criminal as well but what do you expect dispossessed,harrassed,humiliated people deprived of any meaningful ways of developing themselves but determined to regain what's lawfully theirs to do?

In many bibilical passages, such as where the Jews are referred to as a holy nation

Fool no one,Jews refer to themselves as the holy people for obvious reasons ad
nd through their craftiness have managed to convince some weak souls that they really are. bibilical story my foot!
Peace to all genuinely peace loving Isrealis and Arabs, shame on all extremists.
noises - | 6  
29 Jul 2008 /  #159
I just thought I could answer a few questions asked in the original post.

Not being Jewish myself I have a lot of friends who are. I even used to live in a dormitory owned by the Jewish community a few years ago thanks to them (a great apartment by the way). There used to be a very strong Jewish community in Wroclaw but it fell apart after some internal problems that I don't know much about.

Of course there exist antisemitic organisations in Poland, yet none of my friends have ever been attacked by their members nor experienced acts of hostility from the local Polish community against them.

I don't know what it's like in smaller towns though, where the communities are smaller and less organized. In Wroclaw we have a few festivals of Jewish culture and music, the best Jewish kindergarten where Polish Catholic children are sent because its level of education is very high, there is a beautiful synagogue we are all proud of, Institute of Jewish Studies as a part of the Philology Department and an active discussion group basing on the Jewish leftist tradition.

It seems to me that as long as people are familiar with the culture and co-exist on the same territory on similar terms it is unlikely that Poles will consider the Jewish as strangers, aliens or any sort of evil power that they should isolate from.
yehudi 1 | 433  
29 Jul 2008 /  #160
Fool no one,Jews refer to themselves as the holy people for obvious reasons

Are you a christian? Read your bible mister. It wasn't our idea. It was God's idea to pick us for his own reasons. If you don't believe that then you believe the bible is an imaginary story and then you can't be a christian.

But what if an Israeli city were handed back to the Palestinians?

What do you mean "what if"? We gave them Gaza, Ramallah, Hebron, Jenin and other cities and towns to have their own state. They use them as a base for attacking our towns with missles. Why don't you give Wroclaw back to Germany.

Are you living in Israel yehudi?

Yes I am, BB.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
29 Jul 2008 /  #161
Are you a christian? Read your bible mister. It wasn't our idea. It was God's idea to pick us for his own reasons. If you don't believe that then you believe the bible is an imaginary story and then you can't be a christian.

Mr Sidelock, the official teaching of the RCC is that Christians are the chosen people and I think that in most religions/cults people believe (one way or another) that they are "chosen"... but only your tribemen seem to be arrogant enough to bang about It all over the place.

BTW

worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46178

"Katrina is a consequence of the destruction of [Gaza's] Gush Katif [slate of Jewish communities] with America's urging and encouragement," Rabbi Avraham Shmuel Lewin, executive director of the Rabbinic Congress for Peace, told WND. "The U.S. should have discouraged Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon from implementing the Gaza evacuation rather than pushing for it and pressuring Israel into concessions."

Lewin is one of many rabbis in Israel and abroad who have been making similar statements both in private and in speeches to their congregations.

Rabbi Joseph Garlitzky, head of the international Chabad Lubavitch movement's Tel Aviv synagogue, recounted for WND a pulpit speech he gave this past Sabbath:

"We don't have prophets who can tell us exactly what are God's ways, but when we see something so enormous as Katrina, I would say [President] Bush and [Secretary of State Condoleezza] Rice need to make an accounting of their actions, because something was done wrong by America in a big way. And here there are many obvious connections between the storm and the Gaza evacuation, which came right on top of each other. No one has permission to take away one inch of the land of Israel from the Jewish people."

How f*cked up people most be to talk such things ? Show me another nation, which is that arrogant.
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
29 Jul 2008 /  #162
A little alteration to the topic 'Is it safe for a blue bottle to live in Poland??'!!!!!

I can't believe some of the questions that are asked on this forum. This is an example of a question that could be asked for anyone in any city or any country. I can't believe there have been five pages devoted to this subject, lol.
szkotja2007 27 | 1,499  
29 Jul 2008 /  #163
How come there are so many threads about Jews ?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
29 Jul 2008 /  #164
They come here and try to infiltrate us...
Del boy 20 | 254  
29 Jul 2008 /  #165
first, that not my words u have been pin down to me
second, dont start with that carp about my bible and your bible, you dont even know what my bible is if there is one. I dont wont to talk about Israel cos question in the thread is different nature... but...just few quick thoughts... what u doing down there is against humanity, against best human philosophies, u prove your methods not different from nazis, when some population is treated like animals or even worse( cos human beings have empathy animals no )from your pseudo science point of view based on your "chosen people" holiness
yehudi 1 | 433  
29 Jul 2008 /  #166
To address the original topic: Is it safe for a Jew to live in Poland. My advice is that if you can't be yourself, that is, if you can't live like a Jew openly in a particular country, then don't go there. I visited Poland and didn't hide my Jewishness. Nobody bothered me. I don't know if I bothered them, and i don't care.
bramkaz 1 | 24  
29 Jul 2008 /  #167
yehudi

Hello Im off topic but I see hot atmosphere here. Have you got any tips on the result of Beitar Jerusalem-Wisła Kraków game tomorrow night? You are invited on Polish sports: New polish football season 2008/09

polishforums.com/new_polish_football_season-15_25255_0.html
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
29 Jul 2008 /  #168
To address the original topic: Is it safe for a Jew to live in Poland. My advice is that if you can't be yourself, that is, if you can't live like a Jew openly in a particular country, then don't go there. I visited Poland and didn't hide my Jewishness. Nobody bothered me. I don't know if I bothered them, and i don't care.

yeah but what about if your a Jewish Blue Bottle, is that safe???

Hello Im off topic but I see hot atmosphere here. Have you got any tips on the result of Beitar Jerusalem-Wisła Kraków game tomorrow night? You are invited on Polish sports: New polish football season 2008/09

apparently the game has been postponed until the people on PolishForums.com have decided if its safe enough for the Jews to travel to Krakow. were still waiting on the results as of now
southern 75 | 7,096  
29 Jul 2008 /  #169
Not always. The conflict was mainly during the hellenistic period, when the seleucids tried to force their culture down our throats (see Maccabees in your bible),

You were the only ones who refused to accept the gift of greek civilization.

Most of the Arabic works on Aristotle that were written during the middle ages were translated by Jews into Latin and made their way into the Christian world

I think you forget that Byzantine monks and intellectuals had already translated Aristotle works into latin since official language of Byzantine was latin.
After conquest of Constantinopol in 1453 by Ottomans the intellectuals fled to teach greek language and philosophy to West thus inspiring the Renaissance.

And even if my religion is opposed to what ancient greek culture stood for

Yes,like freedom,democracy and some more issues.

the modern greeks worship a Jew

Because of another Jew,Apostol Pavel.

So I guess you could say we won.

Unfortunately and after a big cultural battle.
Kilkline 1 | 689  
29 Jul 2008 /  #170
bottom line: if you don't look like a Jew, you won't be treated as one

Dark-haired Polish guys shouldnt wear glasses then. They always look well kosher.
Del boy 20 | 254  
29 Jul 2008 /  #171
well, they can be like that but there is plenty of blond ones as well
it is all about ( sorry to say that ) cultural cancer.
It memorize me chinese confutionism and strange Indian buddism in China back to 3000 years ago
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
29 Jul 2008 /  #172
It wasn't our idea. It was God's idea to pick us for his own reasons.

Gods do not pick anybody because gods do not exist.

Here's how it works: first people invent a god or gods and than make him/her/them do whatever is suitable to the god's creators. Praise the Lord!
MrBubbles 10 | 614  
30 Jul 2008 /  #173
We gave them Gaza, Ramallah, Hebron, Jenin and other cities and towns to have their own state. They use them as a base for attacking our towns with missles.

So tell me again how many Lebanese died in Israel's 2006 failed invasion?

Why don't you give Wroclaw back to Germany.

Interesting that you mention Wroclaw. Like Israel it has belonged to a number of 'owners' over the past couple of thousand years - off the top of my head the Poles, the Germans, the Czechs, the Bohemians, the Silesians and God knows who else. Why should it go to the Germans? Do they have the same historical claim to Breslau that the Israelis have to Israel? Of course not. Basing ownership on historical claims, Wroclaw should belong to the Ancient Celts, and Israel should belong to whatever tribes inhabited the area thousands of years ago.
yehudi 1 | 433  
30 Jul 2008 /  #174
So tell me again how many Lebanese died in Israel's 2006 failed invasion?

It's easy to tell half truths, but I think most of the world saw what happened in 2006: Hizbollah (not even palestinians) attacked Israel with no provocation, killing some soldiers and kidnapping and then murdering two others. Hizbollah was the only military force in south lebanon and we attacked them in retaliation and did our best to destroy their military power. While we were doing that, they showered missles all across the Galilee into Israeli towns and villages and cities killing civilians. How many Lebanese died? As many as Hizbollah wanted. No one asked them to start fighting and the could have stopped it by giving back the kidnapped soldiers. But , I forgot, they were already murdered by then, so they coudn't be returned. But they kept that little secret to themselves till this month.

Interesting that you mention Wroclaw

I mentioned Wroclaw/Breslau specifically as an example of a city that Germany lost because of a war they started. The arabs had Gaza and "west bank" till 1967, and the only reason they lost those areas was because they started a war in 1967 to wipe us out. They lost. Tough luck. Next time be happy with what you got.

and Israel should belong to whatever tribes inhabited the area thousands of years ago

It does. Unless you find some Canaanites, Amorites and Hittites, we're the only claimants left.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
30 Jul 2008 /  #175
is it safe for a Jew to live in Poland?

NO ! End of topic.
yehudi 1 | 433  
30 Jul 2008 /  #176
Grzeg must know what he's talking about. So your answer, alangleben, is forget Poloand and come to israel.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,436  
30 Jul 2008 /  #177
Breslau is not the right example anymore!

With both Germany and Poland in the EU, with no borders anymore and everyone being free to settle where he wants to, equals between equals, it's not comparable to the Jew/Arab relationship anymore.

Maybe decades back it would had been comparable as in two ethnic groups fighting over land, claiming it for themselves, unable to find a compromise.

The "holy land" has still a loooooong way to go!

And yes, I think Jews should flock to Israel - I mean why has the world to bear all that fuss in the first place when even the Jews in their majority prefer to live somewhere else?

Shouldn't get the land then to the people who actually WANT to live there?
yehudi 1 | 433  
30 Jul 2008 /  #178
Breslau is not the right example anymore!With both Germany and Poland in the EU, with no borders anymore and everyone being free to settle where he wants to, equals between equals, it's not comparable to the Jew/Arab relationship anymore.

I see your point. When the middle east turns into a peaceful place like the EU, we can find more pleasant solutions to the problems of borders and sovereignty. But remember it didn't happen in Europe until many years after germany accepted the loss of silesia and poland accepted (I think) the loss of th eastern regions, etc. If the Arabs can accept that Israel is here to stay and want to create a middle eastern union, I'm all for it. But like you say, we have a long way to go.
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
30 Jul 2008 /  #179
If the Arabs can accept that Israel is here to stay and want to create a middle eastern union, I'm all for it. But like you say, we have a long way to go.

I don't think it's gonna happen. For Israel to survive as a Jewish state they have to continue their current policies against Arabs living within Israel's borders. If they stop and opt for democracy instead then Israel will not survive as a Jewish state. So it's either democracy or permament state of war.

IMO, about the only, albeit slim, chance to prolong Israel's Jewishness would be if all Jews from around the world moved to Israel. That won't happen either, and for one simple reason - Israel cannot survive economically and thus militarilly on its own and without foreign... ahem... aid.
MrBubbles 10 | 614  
30 Jul 2008 /  #180
killing some soldiers and kidnapping and then murdering two others. Hizbollah was the only military force in south lebanon and we attacked them in retaliation and did our best to destroy their military power.

Well, the kidnapping of two soldiers, which was first reported to have happened on Lebanon's side of the border, did provoke the invasion, yes. However do you really believe that the resulting invasion that killed 1000 Lebanese and did millions of damage to property and infrastruction was at all within any proportion? No.

I mentioned Wroclaw/Breslau specifically as an example of a city that Germany lost because of a war they started. The arabs had Gaza and "west bank" till 1967, and the only reason they lost those areas was because they started a war in 1967 to wipe us out.

Indeed it is interesting that you chose Wroclaw as an example. At the end of WW2 Poland lost a large expanse of unprofitable farmland in the East and gained the industrial, coal-rich Silesia - quite a result for an ambitious country in the 20th century! Didn't Israel gain land and water supplies as a result of the 1967 war? Are you going to give that back like the UN keeps asking you to?

Tough luck. Next time be happy with what you got

Quite...

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