Antisemitism in Poland; is it safe for a Jew to live in Poland?

Yeah, Poland shouldn't be dragged into a modern day conflict to a large extent. They offered many Jews a home for such a long time, something they have had to fight tooth and nail for for a long time. I can't believe they were disillusioned with Poles who didn't help them out against the Nazis. They did at times and fear dictated actions. Most Poles didn't want to see the destruction of the Jews.

“American” congress on the behalf of the Jewish lobby urges Poland to hasten holocaust restitution and my distain for Jews grows.

Why can’t you litigation-hungry vampires just let go and be happy with your promised land and America’s Billions worth of aid?

Leave us the **** alone.

How do you know, how it was ?

Squeezing money out a country is a sure way to create antipathy.

Do you know Ski?

My parents know. They are Jewish I live in Poland and I don't take this place serious. Anyway it wasn't accusation. Simple question to simple man. :) Seanus is my favourite member here.

I am curious what makes him expert.

Possibly safer than Israel....no suicide bombers here.....

Understood Ski... I'm just asking cause there is no much historic documents regarding relations between poles and jews during the war and just after war. After the changes there are attempts to learn the history... and I hope Seanus was right..

WTF? Always wanted?
Man, read some stuff before you write about problematic and difficult issues. Zionism started in 19th century and has always been controversial among Jews. There are still many Jews who disagree with Zionism and do not accept the state of Israel.

What they always wanted is for the Messiah to come and get their land WITH Messiah, not by secular political actions.
Some Jews got an idea to create a Jewish state, and many Jews went there because they had nowhere to go (like Polish Jews in '68) or they could expect better life there (like Ethiopian Jews). But that doesn't mean that all the Jews in the world support Zionism and the State of Israel.


Maybe they want live more like the Jews lived in Europe before the war? It's much easier in the US than in Israel, you know...


Reading your post I get the impression you don't know too much of the Jewish history.

[quotw]Does nobody ever ask why?[/quote]
Why Jews were often persecuted? I can give you several simple reasons.

1. They were always different.

People usually persecute anyone who is different. Jews didn't have their own land, so wherever they went, they were in the minority.

2. They lived in communities that were isolated from the rest of the society.

The laws of Judaism forces Jews to keep together. If you want to observe the law, you have to live close to a ritual butcher, you have to live close to a mikvah, you can never expect when you need to ask a rabbi about something and if you are a guy, you need at least 9 other guys to pray with every week or every day if you're in mourning. That forced Jews to live together.

And when they lived together, they became isolated from the outside world and gentiles didn't know about them. So, each time someone needed a scapegoat for some reason, Jews were the easiest target. Someone made up a fairy tale about using Christian blood for matzos and people bought it because they didn't know a s.hit about Jews. If something bad happened, Jews were the easiest to blame.

3. They were successful, so they were a dangerous competition.

Keeping together and supporting each other is something deeply rooted in Jewish culture and religion. Instead of wasting time for stupid conflicts (like Poles, for example), they supported each other so, as a group, they were usually more effective. What is more, the emphasis on intellect in Jewish culture is much stronger than in Christian culture, so Jews in effect were more educated. In the Middle Ages, when only the highest classes in Christian society could write and read, the poorly educated Jews (mainly women), were the ones who could read only Yiddish, not Hebrew. The standard was different.

In effect, Jews as a group were smarter and better organized thanks to their culture - so they were envied and hated.

Of course some other reason can be found as well.

agree but that’s common in all persecuted societies; Chinese, Vietnamese, Roma people to name a few


That’s shown your level of integration into polish society; speak polish, probably with polish surname but simple emulate being polish among other poles, not belong to polish ethos. How can we count on people like you when we need fight for independence, no wonder why Jews had do its business in time when most Poles were busy in many uprisings from Russian or Prussian dependency in XIX c

O RLY ? Half of Poles sorting garbage in your neighbourhood have degrees. The reason for "Jewish success" is that you support one another without any mercy for Goys.

Not save for jews.

Reasons:

People dislike about jews beeing a community, closed to others, highly lucrative niche commerces like diamond-trade are kept in the communities and goys are hardly respected. While educated secular the ortodox jews and their traditional bonds and dogmas are a pain for every community you try to slip in.

While offering your offspring a high grade education and having yourself highly paid jobs, goys work long and hard and their children attend state-owned schools and watch MTV (Jewish-owned and getting worse since) degenarating "Lets-get-dumb and **** a sheep" propaganda. Conspiracy? Just jewish greed thats fueling this sh1t? Some plan must exist to keep the goys down in education and aim.

An other fact is that while not all jews are evil, some evil persons in history were of jewish descent. Also jews in Poland were not allways trustworthy and often betrayed Poland or colaborated with Polands enemys. (f.e. Nordic Wars)

BTW: Most of you jews look like Arabs anyway. And some of your rules are related to theirs, like deciding for your children whom to marry. We do not like Arabs, well thats something we have in common, isnit?

thats have nothing to do with the Jews, it is all about social struggle

I had bitter experience when dealing with an israeli jew, and would like to say 'Be careful ' when dealing with them.

Peace

... and about how well jews achieve to bring their folks through those struggles while making a good cut on the poverty of the struggling goys.

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Yes, with Polish surname, speak Polish and I don't have to emulate being Polish or integrate into Polish society, because I am pure Polish (as far as I know). Just a bit better educated than usual because I have some notion of cultures of other nations.


That's what I'm talking about when mentioning Polish tradition of stupid conflicts. OK, so we had to fight Russian and Prussian and Austria. But was it because bad bad Russians and Teutons kept plotting to get our land? No, before Poland lost its independence, it was weakened by being governed by a bunch of idiots who got into quarrels during sejmiki szlacheckie instead of thinking of their COMMON interest. It were the Poles who weakened Poland and when we realised we should get together and do something about it - it was too late. So our neighbours only took advantage of the mess Polish nobility made. I've been witnessing similiar behaviour in modern Polish society: people concentrate on political conflicts, continue endless rows about the past, teczki a lot of other crap instead of concentrating on moving on with our economy. Czechs, for example, moved much further in economy than Poles, but we started from the same point.

But when I learn about Jewish history, I see they always keep together, not only in a crisis situation (yeah, Jews were NOT in a crisis throughout all their history, contrary to popular opinion)- that's the difference.

And that stuff about Jews supporting only each other and letting no goyim get into their busines... well, from my experience I can tell that if you are Jewish-friendly, Jews suddenly come out to be very goyim-friendly. I have seen many interesting places (e.g. a trip to Germany that I wouldn't have afforded), been to a lot of wonderful parties and events, eaten a lot of delicious food and even earned some money just because I'm a Jewish-friendly gentile. Without those nasty Jews, I wouldn't have it all. And I never had to pretend that I'm Jewish to get it. I just sang their songs.

Did u paid to get in Switezianka

LOL. I get free food and accomodation.

Nice,can i come.Please

So that they teach you in your history books? Because of Liberum Veto and golden freedom of polish nobility? I don't need to know which uni you have attended to just name me some books from your history courses or pin on some of your historians from your valuable knowledge has been vacuumed


new polish intelligentsia with peasant mentality

or anybody........
Seanus right about that :)

There will always be niggling little things but Poland is proving to be a good partner in the EU.

I don't hear antisemitic remarks here

Del boy - you can find it in any school book. Eg. from 1736 - 1763 no single bill was passed in Polish Sejm, because all the sessions were interrupted by liberum veto principle. Do you really think that's good for the state? That we cannot blame such political system for Poland's collapse? It's rather obvious it was a very important factor.

What's 'peasant mentality'? Being friendly to the 'different ones', respecting their culture and accepting their hospitality in return? Then, OK, I can have a peasant mentality. Not going to resign: I'll keep singing Jewish songs, having fun with it, visiting new places and meeting nice people. I like to see very old Jews laughing or crying at hearing songs from their childhood, or from the uprising in the Warsaw ghetto, and I like them to come and thank me and the others I sing with for what we're doing. A handshake with a grateful ghetto survivor means more to me than all the xenophobic bullsh*t I hear about myself.

Probably not on track in the thread, but what does "Goy" or "Goyim" mean?

I asked that too. Apparently, it's a non-Jew.

Only because no one's been kicked off their land and harrassed on a daily basis.

Are you simple trying to tell me that you are actually feel better to be a Jew?

oy vey...

Thanks for that. I think I'll leave the thread now before it gets nasty!