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I'm an American who lived in Poland for 6 years. I'm not welcome anymore.


niejestemcapita 2 | 561  
14 Jul 2009 /  #61
And I am an American. I never had perm. residency. I lived entirely illegally and never earned a legal zloty.

at risk of repeating what other posters have already replied, WTF are you complaining about?
I bet you're one of those Americans who gets all hot under the collar about "wetbacks"....
Or is that "different"?
mwjc69 - | 5  
14 Jul 2009 /  #62
Torq
Is it not enough that USA vanquished all those bloody dictators and are bringing
peace and democracy everywhere they go?
You should bow down and show some more respect you stupid Pollack!

1. First, I'm not Polish!!!
2. I wont bow down to USA, prime example of USA illusion of superiority. Are you suggesting you are better than Poland or any other country for that matter.

3. Strange how wherever there is conflicts/ war the USA are involved.

The only reason USA had involvement in WW2 (I presume thats what you mean by vanquished dictators) was because it was disrupting their trade routes and costing you money. It was the Russians who liberated Poland from Germany, America only made it to West Germany (checkpoint Charlie). That is why Poland was in the Soviet Bloc for 40+ years. Is that your idea of vanquishing??? You should bow down to EU because most of Americas ancestors are from Europe and South America (unless you are Native Indian).

Im really happy for you that you have talent as an impersonator. I hope you dont let it go to waste ha ha.
z_darius 14 | 3,965  
14 Jul 2009 /  #63
What do you have against the great American nation? What? What? I'm asking you!

Nothing should have anything against the great American nation which is composed of descendants of many great nations.

Is it not enough that USA vanquished all those bloody dictators and are bringing
peace and democracy everywhere they go?

And I thought you were serious :)
scrappleton - | 829  
15 Jul 2009 /  #64
You should bow down to EU

LOL.. The US should bow down to the people who created two world wars? The Holocaust? Created Communism? (Marx) The Inquisition? Slavery in the Americas? Brought disease and genocide to the Indian. Colonialism? You are simply one very sad stupid bastard. If anything the European is inferior. A legend in his own mind. Look at this forum: Still chirping about Copernicus who's been dead for centuries.
Seanus 15 | 19,674  
15 Jul 2009 /  #65
Hehehe, true enough scrappy. Just don't forget the Scottish inventors though ;)
scrappleton - | 829  
15 Jul 2009 /  #66
Just don't forget the Scottish inventors

Ok, I'll give you that one. What's more they're still producing new breakthroughs.
Seanus 15 | 19,674  
15 Jul 2009 /  #67
Tidal wave technology is our forte. We should thank the English for Dolly the Sheep as it was 2 Englishmen, albeit done in Scotland which doesn't really matter.

Was the author of the thread ever welcome? I doubt it!
kitty_the_kat - | 30  
15 Jul 2009 /  #68
I thought Americans were idiots but i didn't think they were that stupid. All my suspicions are confirmed.

I hope I'm not stupid... :(

It was the Russians who liberated Poland from Germany

...and simultaneously killed nearly 22,000 of them at Katyn, but don't let that stop your rant.
mwjc69 - | 5  
15 Jul 2009 /  #69
I agree with you fully Kitty.

The Russians did no better than their predecessors. I was saying that it wasn't America that liberated Poland (previously stated by Tork).

To Scrappleton, you must remember it was not the whole of Europe that started both world wars. WW1 startred from assasination of Ferdinand. The Central Powers were the agressors. WW2, Germany were the initial aggressors. The wars were only created by certain parties, extinguished by the rest. WE are all thankful for all the nations that took part in the suppression evil. America mobilised and provided huge resources for which no one denies and are grateful. This by no way makes America better than anyone!!!!

Disease was spread all over the world, not only by Europe although I agree Europe contributed most. With the age of exploration that was inevitable and would have happened sooner or later.

Can I tell you also that slavery was rife in most countries, you cant say that Europe started it. For example the Berbers tribes of Africa regularly raided the UK for slaves. Many countries have done it to another. Slavery dates back thousands of years so you cant blame it on us. Remember how many people (American citizens) who were pro slavery. Europe may have started it but your own nation maintained it, DICKHEAD!!!. For the record I don't agree with slavery at all.

Europe is not inferior ither, as Seamus rightly said there is a huge volume of inventors current and past, especially in UK who have provided so many of the luxuries you take for granted. Surely that cant have came from an inferior country/ union ???? :-)

The inqusition was the catholic church, they had a completely different agenda. (heresy)
z_darius 14 | 3,965  
15 Jul 2009 /  #70
LOL.. The US should bow down to the people who created two world wars? The Holocaust? Created Communism? (Marx) The Inquisition? Slavery in the Americas? Brought disease and genocide to the Indian. Colonialism?

The list of accomplishments fails to mention that these are the same people who created... the US of A.
scrappleton - | 829  
15 Jul 2009 /  #71
.. and Canada. I didn't fight in King Phillips War.. The European did. I love Europe (mostly the South). We are cousins but spare me the sanctimony once in awhile.
kitty_the_kat - | 30  
16 Jul 2009 /  #72
I was saying that it wasn't America that liberated Poland (previously stated by Tork).

Granted. I just tend to take issue with the use of the word "liberated" here. Somehow I just can't see how conquest through genocide, massive deportations, and later the installation of puppet governments is in any way a "liberation." Don't get me wrong: I'm not saying the U.S. hasn't used similar tactics. It's just that I have a hard time understanding how you could say anyone liberated Poland, especially the Russians.
kitty_the_kat - | 30  
18 Jul 2009 /  #73
This thread reminds me of a couple of political cartoons I saw once...







kujirasan  
18 Jul 2009 /  #74
Our American friend cannot be for real, most Poles work in EU , especially young ones! Wonder what kind of job he was doing there!
The situation is even worse now with the current economic crises! As large number of Poles are heading back to Poland! Especially from Ireland!
Poles are happy go lucky lot, and the bureaucratic excess and abuse is the legacy of Stalinist days, which is on its way out! I have had Polish friends for most of my life, and never felt I was treated any different, I have traveled to Poland and stayed with my friend's cousins and uncles! and not a bit of problem! So where ever you are be nice! what goes around comes around !
Wroclaw Boy  
18 Jul 2009 /  #75
I'm an American who lived in Poland for 6 years. I'm not welcome anymore.

And I am an American.

Whoopdy fcuking doo.
Seanus 15 | 19,674  
18 Jul 2009 /  #76
He must have written than tongue-in-cheek, WB. Maybe he expected everyone to get together for him and give a toss.
Wroclaw Boy  
18 Jul 2009 /  #77
I just love the scene in "Killing Zoe" when those French dudes rob a bank and an American jumps up saying the classic im an American, he swiftly gets blown away - lol.
Seanus 15 | 19,674  
18 Jul 2009 /  #78
I'll have a look for that, that sounds hilarious. Virtuousness blasted away.
TJ123  
18 Jul 2009 /  #79
Just do like over 20% of the Poles going to the US do and stay illegally...its the reason behind them not having visa free travel but they wont admit it...they cry it is some discrimination but they are really ashamed that even Lithuanians/Czechs etc dont overstay as much percentage wise.

Once people are flocking to Poland from the USA in the same numbers and overstaying then Poles can complain. I have done everything Poland has asked of me immigration wise and they still cant sort it out...incompetent to the core and different "rules" every time you go.

I will make all you super slavs a deal....you get all your cousins and country men who are there illegally out of the US and I will go back there (and I have been here LEGALLY the whole time) and never say a word about Poland again...

And Kujuriasan,,,,,Poles happy go lucky? HAHHAHAHAHA.

Oh my god....you must have visited for a week and only gone to pubs where people were drunk. You have clearly never been in a shop or office here.
Seanus 15 | 19,674  
18 Jul 2009 /  #80
Skipping legalities seems to be hard as they go through rigorous interviews here. Furthermore, where is the checking process at the other end? I thought Homeland Security and monitoring had been upped. How can so many slip through the net undetected?
TJ123  
18 Jul 2009 /  #81
They overstay...its not hard to just not go back once you are in. I didnt say they sneak in. A lot of them go with this very plan.
lowfunk99 10 | 397  
18 Jul 2009 /  #82
Hello all,

I was just ejected from Poland a bit more then a month ago. I had filed my paperwork for temporary residence. My school kept telling me that I did not need a work permit. One day I walked back to my appartment and the border patrol was waiting for me. They gave me one week to leave Poland. I wrote an appeal but it was turned down. This mistake was my schools fault not mine, however, I will pay the price. I never tried to work illegal. I filed my paperwork, had a bank account and even paid taxes.

While I was not happy with what happend I can say that I was treated with respect.

As a result of this I can not go back to Poland and the EU for one year.

They even wrote an article on the city website where I lived.

lubin.pl/aktualnosci,6442,zamiast_amerykanskiego_snu_polski _koszmar.html
TJ123  
18 Jul 2009 /  #83
Poland should have no say at all about your visiting other EU nations. That is an incredibly stupid and lazy way to administrate...but it doesn't surprise me here.

I would voluntarily take a lifetime ban from Poland in exchange for free travel in the rest of the EU...only fair I say.
lowfunk99 10 | 397  
18 Jul 2009 /  #84
I don't want any ban. I enjoyed working and living there.

Most of all, I miss my gf.
TJ123  
18 Jul 2009 /  #85
Sorry man...they have no right to keep you out of the whole EU...that is a really dickheaded move and shows how pathetic and small their mindset it. It makes me angry beyond belief.

And one week? **** who can arrange moving from a country in a week easily? This culture has no respect for people outside the family unit.
Seanus 15 | 19,674  
19 Jul 2009 /  #86
This is more of a story. Did you have the article translated, B (lowfunk)? It alludes to hypocrisy in that Poles work in the US not entirely legally yet they can't allow one isolated case to happen here. It's all tit-for-tat BS because Obama won't waiver the visa requirement. B, keep your head up but please don't trust Polish schools, they just want you as a money maker for them.

I see it everywhere now, lusting after money. I'm glad the Scots are a thrifty bunch, far better than being grabbing.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,854  
19 Jul 2009 /  #87
Hello all

They cannot ban you from the other 26 member states. Apply to work in another EU member state, close to Poland so you can meet your girlfriend when she has time off from work. Lie on your appliication, do not mention your Polish experience.
tj123  
19 Jul 2009 /  #88
RevokeNice...he was told he was banned from the EU for a year. How are you sure he isn't? Can you provide links or official information that he could use? Not just conjecture but hard facts/law documents?
RevokeNice 15 | 1,854  
19 Jul 2009 /  #89
tj123

If you apply for a work permit in another member state, I would be 99% sure you will not be refused because of what happened in Poland. Just dont mention it on the relevant documents.

You can get a 90 day holiday visa in Ireland or the UK, without any background checks. Just proof of sufficent funds. While there, apply for work.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,177  
19 Jul 2009 /  #90
If you apply for a work permit in another member state, I would be 99% sure you will not be refused because of what happened in Poland. Just dont mention it on the relevant documents.

You'll have a record in SIS4All saying that you've got a ban from Schengen territory, combined with a stamp in the passport which essentially says 'banned'. The application for a work permit will reveal this - and it's quite possible that even attempting to gain a work permit in Schengen will be enough to land a further ban.

It's not a matter of mentioning it or not mentioning it - these things are held at a Schengen-wide level.

You can get a 90 day holiday visa in Ireland or the UK, without any background checks. Just proof of sufficent funds. While there, apply for work.

What use is this? No-one in the UK or Ireland will hire you without documentation proving your right to work in the UK/Ireland - and even a work permit for those countries won't be enough to gain access to Schengen.

There's also the issue that if he's caught in Schengen (or trying to enter!) - then he could face more serious punishment than merely a ban from the zone.

Poland should have no say at all about your visiting other EU nations. That is an incredibly stupid and lazy way to administrate...but it doesn't surprise me here.

Schengen rules are rules - if you receive a ban from one Schengen country, you're banned from the whole lot. It's the only way that open borders can work.

How do you think Spanish police are going to deal with someone who is listed as having a ban from Schengen? They're not going to invite him for tea and crumpets - they're going to invite him to the local police station in order to process his deportation.

I was just ejected from Poland a bit more then a month ago. I had filed my paperwork for temporary residence. My school kept telling me that I did not need a work permit. One day I walked back to my appartment and the border patrol was waiting for me. They gave me one week to leave Poland. I wrote an appeal but it was turned down. This mistake was my schools fault not mine, however, I will pay the price. I never tried to work illegal. I filed my paperwork, had a bank account and even paid taxes.

You need to get an immigration lawyer who is capable of dealing with this. It'll cost you, but it's possible to get such decisions overturned *if* you get someone capable of dealing with it.

Incidentally, I've heard of the American authorities deporting people from the USA at gunpoint who have overstayed their visa waiver. You should be glad that the Stra┼╝ Graniczna allowed you a week.

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