I'm an American who lived in Poland for 6 years. I'm not welcome anymore.

I have a swine. She's really smart and they're good for a lot of things like playing in da błoto, boczek and szmalec.

icypole wrote: this is the post war generation not the ones going there now,

icypole wrote:
I am talking about Poles going to the US of recent time

sledz wrote:
Well what are you talking about then??

Are you confused???? [/quote]


At least I have the common sense to know what I am talking about....Idiot!!

First. this is not polish idea . beeing member of the EU, we are like the rest of Union.
Second> short memory syndrome? we (polish citizens) still have to ask for visas, traveling to the USA. Third : actually i'm renting a flat in Holland, living togheter with few people. ono of them is an American. Nice guy but.... it took me few months to teach him, that my dishes are my dishes. It looks that you are (sometimes) really impregnated for some, obvious for the rest of the world, rules. Also in your question I found some irritating accents: shame Poland, we - Americans, can't work here, like the rest of Europe. Do you know such a polish sentence: jak Kuba Bogu, tak Bog Kubie? (Kuba - in this case its a polish male name, not a country) - which means plus minus... if you are bad - expect the same, if you are ok . people will be also ok to you. All in all I like Americans more, than Germans:-)))) (or I dont like you less, than Germans...:-)))

hahahahahahahahaha....... jesus christ why am I laughing......

Did you choose your shoes yourself......
Did you dhooce your shoes yourself.....

If he's even real at all... I think this may have just been a joke thread to see what kind of reaction he'd get. Perhaps some sort of social experiment? Because I really don't know anyone who would brag openly about being an illegal immigrant...even an American...especially an American. =P

I would say that is because the mass Polish immigration in the US happened a good while ago (as with the Irish and Italians). However the immigration to the UK and Ireland is a much more recent thing (with the EU border regulations). Hence why, at the moment there is more hatred coming from the UK.

As for the original post. If you openly admit that you are living and working in Poland illegally then how can you then complain when they want you out? Yes, maybe it was great for you in the past, but, as you said, those days are gone. If you want to live and work here then do it legally, just as I have had to do when going to New Zealand and Australia...and would have to do if i wanted to go to the US.

Dont forget that many poles go to usa on visit visas and stay there for forever. That is why getting US visa is so difficult for poles. I am surprised an american staying illegally in poland but why? Poland is not a country where you can even earn 1000 dollars a month in an odd job. Really strange. By the way , majority of the west europeans who are also in EU refuse to go to poland on company assignments. Its not popular at all even with the west europeans. Poles are still living in communism, they dont fit with the democratic values.

Not just Poles I imagine though. And not just the States. I know numerous people who go places on holiday and stay for years even though are not meant to. I know it's a hassle to get proper documents and stuff...but surely that is better than getting turfed out your home in a dawn raid?

Seen "Pretty Dirty Things"? =P

yes, polska dla polakow.. poland isn't america after all. no melting pot or none of that stuff.

Sorry, that's crap!! If Poles can go to the UK and Ireland especially, you have to allow the same in reverse. Nationalist BS!

Not much more needs to be said.

Pots and kettles...at least they dont get in, in the back of a bloody lorry or try to import hundreds of their poor village relatives when they get there!! You know what as an Indian you really shouldnt get in to conversations like this, we are deporting so many of you lot every week and refussing visas for even more a day in Delhi!


You are such a nob, we've got 5 Polish guys in our office working on a high profile project (all expenses paid, plus a nice uplift on salary), they've been seconded from our Warsaw office! The company was started by an English bloke, we have several English guys in the Warsaw office and in the Krakow office, so you my little British visa rejected friend are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo soooooooooooooooooooooooo wrong! England cant get enough of SKILLED Polish wokers - they understand the work, unlike the Indians who are working in the design office where a friend of mine works, who is almost tearing his hair out because the drawings are wrong every single day!

crap, i don't think so.. last time i checked PL was independent of UK or F or D or anybody else in EU.. Nationalistic BS? you may want to tell that to your own countrymen before you spout that bull at me.

True, if Poland wants to keep their country a certain way then they can, takes back bone to say NO to the bull sh*t thats going on these days in Europe...Hopefully Poland will stay the way it is but grow in an economic sense.

Independent? That's just what you think you are. In reality it's quite the opposite. You only need to lose your main import and export trading partners, and you're toast, my friend. And this is not only true for Poland, but for almost every country in this world.

I think you misunderstood his answer. A country can trade without being over run with immigrants...Look at China!

kitty_the_kat Yesterday, 14:35 #36

Honestly I think michaelmansun is troll

If he's even real at all... I think this may have just been a joke thread to see what kind of reaction he'd get. Perhaps some sort of social experiment? Because I really don't know anyone who would brag openly about being an illegal immigrant...even an American...especially an American. =P

I think you've hit the nail on the head kitty_the_kat!
The only thing I would add is: I don't think he's Japanese at all-what would a Japanese want with Poland ??-more likely Indian, Pakistani or Turkish.

I really don't think it's any sort of social experiment, he doesn't sound intelligent enough. I think he's hard-up for a new subject.

i disagree as i believe most (at least the 1st tier nations) are very capable of true independence.


but that is actually what i meant anyway.. PL should do as Polish people please.. not any other way.. PL, especially because of its rich history, should ascertain itself and be more weary of dependencies.

How is that, plk123? Don't you live in America? You are completely out of touch from the realities here.

So you are telling me that 1,500,000 foreigners could come into Poland and it'd be ok?

ref Cardno85

You should be aware there is a previous generation of Poles in Britain dating from WW2 and these are totally integrated, and sometimes dead!

The recent generation of Polish immigrants to UK seem to be afraid of this lot: I recently came across someone working on a house of a friend I visited, when I said I was half- Polish from the WW2 generation, the sangfroid was tangible.

If Americans cannot legally work in Poland that's natural: EU is what it says. Unfortunately, USA sometimes don't conform with democratic values either, like the election of the late great George W Bush, worst president of all time.

ShelleyS
Thanks shelley for your kind information, I dont need to stay in uk because all my business is in nordic countries. And as it is , I dont like UK. And also let me tell you something more , I have swedish residency so its not a problem for me. Remember I am not a salaried employee like you so naturally I will stay where my business is. If you are a typical indian hater, there is nothing I can say. Well you have a point to hate indians coz they are rich. If you are a normal salaried employee and not rich , its you who is responsible for it. Remember colour of the skin is not important for achievment.

I have many friends there in business area and they often tell me all is not well these days . Scotland is better but not right now at least for another 2 years until the crisis ends.

In some of your posts, you did mention that you had 10 years of experience in consultancy but your words dont reflect that you are an engineer or manager. You are behaving like low class british people always full of hate. India is a country of more than 1 billion, everybody is not the same. There are more rich people in india than UK, everybody is not poor and needy . Better change your perceptions. IF you have met **** less educated people of punjab that does not reflect the whole of india. I know there are many **** people from punjab in uk. I met many of them on my visits, their families are desperate to go to uk as if the roads of uk are paved with gold. Excuse me,in UK there are more than a million indians who are british citizens dont call indians illegal immigrants all the time. Let me ask you what you achieved till date?

Do you own a company?
Is your family in sunday times rich list?
Do you make more than 1,00,000 pounds a year?
In one of your posts you were criticising tata's and others right, why did you and your family not rescue those companies? even today there are many companies on sale why dont you buy one of them and save jobs ? you are british right.

With a population of 1 billion I would expect there are more rich people in India, your comment was a bit stupid, dont you think? They still cant look after their own people though and a large proportion of your countrymen sh^t in the street have no access to medial facilities and you havent even managed to upgrade your railway system since we installed it. As for my perceptions, I am quite happy with them, Indians are looked down upon in the UK and always will be, rich or not, money does not buy respect.

I recently went to visit a friend and a Indian who was born in Britain started to talk to me on the coach about his recent visit to Canada to visit his extremely rich relatives, he didnt know me from adam but couldnt wait to tell me all about them...I just thought it was quite pathetic, it just showed how shallow and how you think it impresses people to tell them how well you are doing or in his case how well his family in Canada are doing, personally I didnt feel the need to tell him about my families personal circumstances, because quite frankly he was a stranger and the English are above that.

Well its capitalism not a welfare or a socialist state. If you work, you get money and if you dont work, you dont get money. I like this system and support it

Then medical services , they are also free except for better treatment and bigger ailments like cancer, bone marrow transplant etc , you need money .

Whatever it is,more population or anything else but there are people who have lived in india and created billion dollar businesses so its success. Well money is everything. Money gets you respect also. Thats the truth. A poor man living on the street wont get respect even if he is white. And if you think that way well what to say ?A person's capability is defined by his achievements and position not by the skin colour. What matters is either you are a successful statesman or businessman or ceo or top hollywood personality or inventor. Look madam, who does not like money in this world? why do you work? of course for money. Its just that you need guts and brains both to make more money. If you cannot make it, you have an excuse oh I dont like money etc.

Excuse me you were talking of railways right in some posts. How much railway network did you leave in 1947? Just guess. And in 1947 , 40% of the railway network went to pakistan. Today the railway length in pakistan is 7,791kms and india is 63,327 kms. So you cannot say that its the britishers who did all the work and we did nothing. Dont forget that your own british raliways is in chaos ever since you privatised it. Indian railways has always been in loss but last year it turned out to be a profitable organisation and the profit was 6.5 billion dollars. This was the matter of case study in harvard business school and IMD swiss , also my ex school . Then signaling system, most of it has been fixed ,siemens ag had the contract. At times, there are manual errors which is there everywhere in the world. No system is completly error free.

Then people ****ting on the streets right. Its the poor and lower middle class who have a sort of habit to **** in the open. Their are lot of public toilets .Even we dont like it, but we cannot say anything. If yu see someone ****ting on the street and if you say something the bloody whole locality comes out to beat you up. The municipality officials also cannot sit on the road whole day to keep a watch. So we have left them to their fate.

Generally I dont talk much with british indians also, I am more close to the jewish community whether its in US or UK or main land europe or israel.

Now its a personal choice that you want to focus on the dark or brighter side. I always focus on the bright side.

the same as if i went to the U.S, if i went there, id be classed as an alien. no way can i work there 'freely'. as soon as you go through customs you have your eyes screened and fingerprints taken, they dont do the rubbish in europe, not that i know of. maybe in the future and some countries love to follow the american rules

Again, it's more out of bureaucratic concerns than by virtue of being an American. It is a more cost effective situation and, when it comes to teachers, many are not handpicked with such precision. If that were the case, more Americans would get a look in.

Is this American clown serious!!! Thats the biggest pile of S**t I have ever heard. I thought Americans were idiots but i didn't think they were that stupid. All my suspicions are confirmed.

Q.1) Why would you complain about living illegally and getting caught out?
Q.2) Do you think its fair for others to work and pay taxes whilst you live free?
Q.3) Do you think you have the right to travel freely in Europe when nobody can travel freely in the mighty, paranoid USA?

America seems that there should be one rule for them and another for everybody else. It's about time parasites like you are returned to your own country to be a burden there. You are an illegal immigrant, WHY? Why would you do that anyway? Why not register, do you have something to hide?

Those days are gone, GOOD!!!
Are you upset the tables are turning, that you are no longer allowed to live as an illegal in another country. Have you tried to get a job? (that you pay taxes at). Not surprising an employer wont take you as you have no record of being here for 6 years. Alarm bells would ring if i was looking at your CV and noticed that there is a 6 year gap in employment hmmmmmmm!!!

And why shouldn't EU citizens have it all laid out for them? That is the reason why it is called the European Union. It provides EU members with benefits and freedom to migrate to find work etc. As I remember the United States of Ass*oles is not in the EU Notice the difference between USA and EU.

Can I just say that there are thousands of non-Polish workers in Poland doing various different jobs (not exclusively teaching & PAYING TAXES ASWELL). Perhaps you lack in qualities that employers look for for example VISA, permanant residence, tax number, personality, inteligence. Being illegal is a crime and crime and employment dont mix.

My advice to you is to go home and stop complaining that your luck has ran out. When you go home stay there. You had it good from the EU, now pay the price.

PS. Please dont post any more crimes you are commiting on forums......Głupi

Another anti-USA, America-bashing freak!

What do you have against the great American nation? What? What? I'm asking you!
Is it not enough that USA vanquished all those bloody dictators and are bringing
peace and democracy everywhere they go?
You should bow down and show some more respect you stupid Pollack!

*Ha, ha - I can impersonate Scrappleton :)*