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Poland over the next 10 years?


truebrit 3 | 196  
17 Feb 2007 /  #1
I am interested to hear from Polish people in what ways they think Poland will change over the next 5-10 years.Since joining the EU unemployment has fallen because so many people have left Poland to work in the UK/Eire etc.This has also meant there are some shortages of workers within Poland -which I guess means more overseas workers (from Ukraine etc?) going to work in Poland.I do notice that Polish people are very well behaved but less boisterous(lively) than the British.Will the Polish national character etc change in the future?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
17 Feb 2007 /  #2
I am interested to hear from Polish people in what ways they think Poland will change over the next 5-10 years.

We will conqer the world and make Englanders our slaves...
Kamyk 2 | 61  
17 Feb 2007 /  #3
My Predictions for the next decade or so:
- the economics will improve (more work, new industries)
- probably a lots of people will stay outsite in western countries because the money factor
- more stable politics and relations with neighbours ( if President Putin eases off his tactics :) ..)
- change in Poland's demography as the country will face increased immigration from Asian/African/etc.. countries.

In general, I think Poland will present itself better over the years, but our home country will face problems that were never present in Poland before. I am very cerious to see how the developments will take place and how the management (politicians) will tackle the problems and how they will use the new apportunities as well.

there are some shortages of workers within Poland -which I guess means more overseas workers (from Ukraine etc?) going to work in Poland

Yes, there is a shortage but I think this will correct itself within couple of years. Polish people already recognized the same dillema therefore I'm sure there are already people training with an objective to become a skilled trades worker. Since not everyone wants to emigrate from Poland I'm sure this shortfall of skilled workers will become smaller and smaller over time with a help from new immigrants from Ukraine, Russia, Hungary .. etc .. So I guess now would be the best time to come to Poland if you want to find work in construction etc..

Will the Polish national character etc change in the future?

Anybody who experienced emigration in their lives or at least very frequent travel to other countries for financial reasons will tell you that their personality, world and life perspectives or attitudes to work and education changed. So yes, I believe the national character will evolve TO SOME DEGREE over time.
Wroclaw 44 | 5,387  
17 Feb 2007 /  #4
An increase in tourism.

Re-building of cities. New to replace old.

Fewer political parties. But each with more power.

More home owners. Rather than council tenants.

A complete change in farming and agriculture.

Better: road, rail infrastructure.
bossie 1 | 123  
17 Feb 2007 /  #5
Wroclaw, you seem very optimistic here. Any changes for worse you can think of? criminal rates rising due to lack of spaces in prisons? More bribery? More drugs? More and more idiots coming to power? Collapse of underfunded public sectors, i.e. education and health service? Property prices bubble? Shortage of those willing to pay taxes for the growing number of those retired?

Don't get me wrong, I hope you prove to be right and I to be wrong but life's not all pink, is it?
Eurola 4 | 1,906  
17 Feb 2007 /  #6
criminal rates rising due to lack of spaces in prisons? More bribery? More drugs? More and more idiots coming to power? Collapse of underfunded public sectors, i.e. education and health service? Property prices bubble? Shortage of those willing to pay taxes for the growing number of those retired?

Yes to All. Welcome to the western world. :)
Wroclaw 44 | 5,387  
17 Feb 2007 /  #7
Bossie,

My only arguement would be that five of the things on my list are slowly taking place now.

Negative:

Strikes for higher pay. From various sectors.

It might occur that students will have to pay for higher education.

Foreign investors leaving. After using up all their tax breaks....Creating unemployment.
bossie 1 | 123  
17 Feb 2007 /  #8
Bossie,

My only arguement would be that five of the things on my list are slowly taking place now

I agree with you there, excepr for agriculture perhaps.

People strike when they're not afraid to lose their jobs, and it's rare in Pl, only miners, nurses and doctors actually do that. All the rest prefer to work for less in Poland or for more abroad.
Evangelion  
17 Feb 2007 /  #9
well i think in the next few years for sure tourism will rise, but about industries im not too sure first because everyone know how much a wages in poland is, and for sure foreign companies will not close a factory in germany/ france ecc. to go to poland and pay people more.

example? take diesel factory in romania, the people work for about 80euro a week or less, a pair of diesel jeans minimun are 150 euro, so tha'll take almost 2 weeks workin to afford 1 pair, foreign industries will open in eastarn countries for spending less in craftmanship not for paiyng the people more.
Kamyk 2 | 61  
17 Feb 2007 /  #10
More drugs? More and more idiots coming to power? Collapse of underfunded public sectors, i.e. education and health service? Property prices bubble? Shortage of those willing to pay taxes for the growing number of those retired?

this is already happenning :(
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
17 Feb 2007 /  #11
More drugs

listen... poland has more drugs than any other country in europe... deal with it...
Evangelion  
17 Feb 2007 /  #12
at least what do you pretend from a country that pay 200 euro a month? its a clear invitation to breake the law, even in poland the crime is falling because all the delinquents are leaving the country as well.
i_love_detroit 1 | 69  
18 Feb 2007 /  #13
Evangelion: Have you ever been to Poland? I doubt it.

Anyway I lived so far in 3 places. Gdynia (Trojmiasto, Tri-City or whatever you call it), Detroit and Calgary.
Comparing safety in Gdynia and Detroit, Gdynia is waaay safer city. Therefore I would not say that Poland is not safe because of low salary.

And btw, an avarage salary in Poland is over 400 euros...
LoneStranger 3 | 382  
18 Feb 2007 /  #14
I would like to see a more economically stable Poland... but not like UK or the west! More of a suburban type, but happy communities :)...

Demography will change... I think...

Thats about it :)
lef 11 | 478  
18 Feb 2007 /  #15
I think that Poland will never be a rich country and will always be trailing western type countries, the reason is that it has very little natural resources, a lack lustre manufacturing industries and very little tourist spots.. this doesn't mean that people will not be better off in the future with immense business possibilities, everything in Poland is in the kindergarden stage where people with a little capital and a smart mind can make a fortune and in 5 to 10 years be multi millionaires.. People coming from the west can zero in and take the icing on the cake..Real Estate always rates very high.

I personally believe that native poles do not understand the mechanics of a business ie
business risks, advertising etc.. Every area of business is up for grabs and the right people with little investments can reap great rewards....think about it folks.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
18 Feb 2007 /  #16
I think that Poland will never be a rich country

Do you really have to include this type of "optimism" in almost every post ?
Kamyk 2 | 61  
18 Feb 2007 /  #17
the reason is that it has very little natural resources, a lack lustre manufacturing industries and very little tourist spots..

Not every country is rich in resources, if you don't have them all you have to do is to develop wery strong knowledge/consulting/information industry and provide high cost services to other countries. This works for many countries. You really dont have to possess gold, oil, diamonds or uranium to be a fully functional society with a healthy cashflow.
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
18 Feb 2007 /  #18
all you have to do is to develop wery strong knowledge/consulting/information industry and provide high cost services to other countries

thats a interesting point Kam... but how realistic do you think that is in the case of poland...?
krysia 23 | 3,057  
18 Feb 2007 /  #19
the reason is that it has very little natural resources,

Wrong!!!
The Polish women are being saught after by the rich Arabs, Muslims, Indians. Poland can make money selling them!

New business will flourish: "Camel Burgers" and for those who smoke, "Camel cigarettes"
iwona 12 | 542  
18 Feb 2007 /  #20
and very little tourist spots..

really?????
forgetmenots 4 | 77  
18 Feb 2007 /  #21
all you have to do is to develop wery strong knowledge/consulting/information industry and provide high cost services to other countries.

I think Kamyk is right. Nowadays the real power and strenght of a modern country is based on the development of know-how not on economy of natural resources .....
bossie 1 | 123  
18 Feb 2007 /  #22
Poland will never be a rich country and will always be trailing western type countries, the reason is that it has very little natural resources

Russia has almost all the natural resources - does it make it rich??? Bolivia and Venezuela too, still they're in crisis. It's been a while since natural resources determine the wealth of a country.

very little tourist spots

Disagree. If it was so, the tourism wouldn't be rising and it clearly is. Two types of destinations: historical cities and nature.

poles do not understand the mechanics of a business

Those who wan to do business learn it. Those who don't need it, don't learn. Logical.
Eurola 4 | 1,906  
18 Feb 2007 /  #23
Poland is a new kid on the block and has to learn a lot, but I would not be that pessimistic. I twill have its turn, some day.

However, as long as the government will not provide good paying jobs for the young and educated, they will go to UK or other countries to build their power.

Only, to bashed for it by the host.
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
18 Feb 2007 /  #24
o types of destinations:

make that 3, boss... a lot of people come here to party...
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699  
18 Feb 2007 /  #25
Poland can become rich, and still hold the culture. we need more trust with
importing/exporting .

There is Polish Market that just opened in our city, it was in another city and
they moved to their own building. Their business is picking up, more people
are coming from other cities to this market, plus they make home-made food
already prepared and have a small sitting area where you can eat.

we went to get some hot food, and most of it was gone, Polish food is very popular
in the states. and never ever had I heard bad comments on its cusine, more like
who do you know that can cook it. or where can I find it!
forgetmenots 4 | 77  
18 Feb 2007 /  #26
Poland is a new kid on the block and has to learn a lot, but I would not be that pessimistic. I twill have its turn, some day.
However, as long as the government will not provide good paying jobs for the young and educated, they will go to UK or other countries to build their power.
Only, to bashed for it by the host.

the situation Eurola is talking about is described as "brain drain". Indeed thats not very wise policy for a country that want to improve the general situation. One of my tutors said to me once ... you see we are pulling the gun to our head .... we carry the cost of education for a young people and when they are well educated we force them to go abroad to search for any chance.... The foreign countries for sure are very grateful for such a present .... a high -skilled people for free. Poland must be recognized as very good uncle that invest money in development of other countries .... dont you think ...
Wroclaw 44 | 5,387  
18 Feb 2007 /  #27
Eurola,

I know plenty of well educated folk who have chosen to stay. Many of them are making good money, at the expense of those who left.

I sometimes think that those who left took what they thought was the easy route, without thinking about what they left behind. There is plenty of well paid work here, if you get off your butt and look for it.

On the other hand, if you are going to re-locate for work. It makes no difference if it is the other side of Poland or the UK.
forgetmenots 4 | 77  
18 Feb 2007 /  #28
On the other hand, if you are going to re-locate for work. It makes no difference if it is the other side of Poland or the UK.

it does make a difference Wroclaw "where". First of all being able to relocate in order to find employment is a very positive factor and lets be honest polish people still try to get this skill. More successful day by day but still in the middle of learning process.

But the point is to be able to relocate between the borders of your homeland....
Eurola 4 | 1,906  
18 Feb 2007 /  #29
The foreign countries for sure are very grateful for such a present .... a high -skilled people for free.

That's exactly what I mean. All the free resource, a gift to the western world.

I sometimes think that those who left took what they thought was the easy route

I agree. Many young people are not determined enough to find a job they want and are qualified for. Just like here, it takes 6 months to a year to find the job you want.
Frank 23 | 1,183  
18 Feb 2007 /  #30
Yes, its time will come, but it will require hard work, which we know Polish people can do, it requires self belief, risk taking and trusting your government not to cock it up.

Tap into the monies th EU can provide, try not to hack off your local neighbourhood bear, plus let the millions of Polish people who left decades ago, know that it ok to come home, as tourists initially, then to search for their roots and finally, to take their place as permanent members of the new Poland.

These thing happened in Ireland......it took 25 yrs...but Poland can do it in a shorter time frame if they learn to play the game and be positive.

Most of your young people will return home in the next year or two...with new ideas, ways of thinking, plus skilled better in communications and lifestyles...the world is indeed Polands oyster!

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