Michal - | 1,865 27 Mar 2008 / #121If you have the ń at the end of a word and not the standard Polish or English 'n' then you must pay attention in the declension system as dzień becomes dnia in the genitive singular. The Polish town, Poznań becomes Poznania in the sense of ja jadę jutro do Poznania. The Polish letter ń can represent nouns of both masculine and feminine gender. When a noun ends in ń and is feminine the genitive is ni.
Pawelek87 - | 4 28 Mar 2008 / #122Merged:Trouble to understand how yo pronounce "ł"I just can`t get when is ł supposed to be pronounced like W and when like L!!Help!
urszula 1 | 253 28 Mar 2008 / #123£ is always pronounce as "W", unless it looks like L without the slash
Pawelek87 - | 4 29 Mar 2008 / #126I have seen the name "Pawel" written two ways:Pawel and Paweł, why`s that¿? I`m german with polish roots
krysia 23 | 3,058 29 Mar 2008 / #127It is "Paweł" but not everyone has the Polish letters to spell it properly.
isthatu 3 | 1,164 29 Mar 2008 / #128was gonna say the way I explained it to British mates was that £ sounds just like a cockney L.....but,being german you may not get that,sorry:)
osiol 55 | 3,921 29 Mar 2008 / #131just like a cockney LYes, but only a south-eastern English L when it's before a consonant or at the end of a burst of speech (whatever that's called by proper linguists).But, as you said, that's not particularly hełpfuł for Pawełek here. Unless he's learning Polish and Cockney/South-eastern English (please don't use that flipping Estuary word).I hope this post has assisted someone from my neck of the łoods instead.
osiol 55 | 3,921 29 Mar 2008 / #133He's not a Cockney, and he doesn't even pronounce R as a W. He does do the L thing we're discussing though. But the variety of R he uses is quite complicated to describe in detail, but I shall now attempt it. The top front teeth make contact with whatever that bit is called that is behind and below the bottom lip (like the position for the African/Caribbean 'kissing your teeth' thing) whilst the tongue rests in a neutral position.Go on - let me describe a Polish sound next time. Please!
Seanus 15 | 19,674 29 Mar 2008 / #134How about the sound from the rear end? That's a common sound at least
Michal - | 1,865 30 Mar 2008 / #135n`t get when is ł supposed to be pronounced like W and when liThis can ans should be always pronounced as a dark l sound. This new Polish trend of the Polish ł as an English w is strange to me.
z_darius 14 | 3,965 30 Mar 2008 / #136This only shows how ancient your idea of the Polish language is.Dark "L" is vanishing in the Polish language. Right now it is pretty much restricted to some dialects (mostly Eastern) and the older generation.Happy 90th birthday, Michal.
Pawelek87 - | 4 30 Mar 2008 / #138I know.... it`s weird. I don`t know where I heard a pole say that ł was sometimes pronounced like a simple L. As I`m new with polish I`m confused about my name!.But if I`m german registred and born in Germany it would have been hard to get a "£" written down on my Birth Certificate since it`s not a letter contained in the german alphabet. :-S :-SCrap!Wiele Grüsse
telefonitika 30 Mar 2008 / #139when is ł supposed to be pronounced like Was in window sound .. thats how you pronounce it
Kasia84 8 | 40 31 Mar 2008 / #140Merged:How would you pronounce the name "Lila"?Hi,I am trying to figure out; how would a Polish person pronounce the name "Lila"?In English; Lila would be: "Lie-la"I want something in Polish that will sound like "Lie-la" how would you spell it in Polish way for "Lie-la"? so that my Polish relatives can pronounce the name as in "Lie-la" not "Lee-la"Thanks! =)
Michal - | 1,865 31 Mar 2008 / #141If you write the word Lila then it would be lee-lu with the stress falling on the double 'ee' there would be no other pronunciation combination possible for this word.
Mafketis 31 Mar 2008 / #142Yaah, Lila in Polish can only bee LEE-lah in Polish, If you want to pronounce it like English try Lajla or maybe Laila (It should be the first, but a lot of people prefer -ai- for foreign names, I don't know why).Pawelek,at one time, ł was like the 'dark' l in English ball (but in any position, not just at the end of syllables)I don't know when people began to pronounce it like English w, but the the tendency to turn the 'hard' l iinto something like [w] or [u] (or [o] or even [v]) has a long history in very many Slavic languages.Anyway, in Polish for a long time, there were two pronunciations. In everyday life people pronounced it like w, while in formal contexts (or in broadcasting or on the stage) people used the older 'dark' l sound.But in modern Polish (in Poland) the older pronunciation sounds wrong or too old fashioned and even in the most formal circumstances ł is always pronounced like English w in wait, window by everyone under 50 (and most people older than that).The old pronunciation lingers on to some extent among Polish speakers left in areas east of the current border, I've heard it from younger speakers from Lithuania, I don't know about in Ukraine or Belarus though.
z_darius 14 | 3,965 31 Mar 2008 / #143that's not really right. w preceeeding a word is hard vI can see how some people might think it sounds like an "f".Because it does sound like an "f" sometimes, and this time Michal is right."w Czestochowie" will be pronounced as "fczestochowie".This is a classical case of desonorization in the Polish language (ubezdzwiecznienie wsteczne)
basiadavis - | 2 4 Apr 2008 / #144Merged: Polish pronunciation of Gabriel Ignatius nameMy newly born grandson has been named Gabriel Ignatius - how is this pronounced in Polish? Thanks! Basia
basiadavis - | 2 4 Apr 2008 / #147Thanks again! Now I can tell my son how his son's name is pronounced - his middle name, Ignatius, is named after my father, who was born in Poland. Unfortunately, he died many years ago and I have no relatives left in the United States who speak Polish - I'm glad that I found this forum!!
Marek 4 | 867 4 Apr 2008 / #149Urszula.I heard some people once from Zakopane and their '£' sounded deceptively like a Russian 'dark l', f. ex. in 'golodniy' (Polish 'głodny').Warsovians and Krakovians seem to pronounce it in more of the standard way we foreigners learn it!
osiol 55 | 3,921 4 Apr 2008 / #150Quite often, you will see some unfamiliar text where you know the distinction hasn't been made between L and £, or any of the other letters with things hanging off them or floating above them. What I tend to do is just guess. You have to be right some of the time, surely?The frequency of usage of the letters L and £ are very close. It's not as if one occurs far more than the other or anything helpful like that. Just take a look at: https://polishforums.com/archives/2005-2009/language/commonly-used-letters-20581/Someone might say something about softened sounds in Polish if they want to get really technical, but as far as I know, I don't think £ can occur before I.