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Ironside   
15 Sep 2009
News / The most spectacular errors in Polish politics. [264]

For those with intrest in British policy in the event of war with Germany—a policy which was to drop propaganda leaflets over Germany, NOT to bomb it!

Clearly British giving guarantee to Poland did not intent to fight, anyway not in 1939.
Ironside   
15 Sep 2009
News / The most spectacular errors in Polish politics. [264]

Article IV

There was no state Article IV referred to ...
There was a few guy and two divisions of their supporters ......there was never such state as Ukraine, clearly those guys had no popular support on the territory they claimed to be Ukraine.

Do you expect Poland to fight a war and then build and mange and defend state or to sacrifice its own existence in order to stick to some paper ?

Agreement with Petlura was clearly understood as a help to create Ukrainian state - because of circumstances I stated here it was impossible to achieve.

Do you expect Poland to be faithful to non existent state ?
You are ridiculous!

I refer you to Article XIII of the Treaty of Riga. Enjoy.

I know that Poland was granted recompense from Soviets(which wasn't paid ).
I asked you to provide documents stating that said money was price for sell-out of Ukraine either this or admit you are talking rubbish.
Ironside   
15 Sep 2009
News / The most spectacular errors in Polish politics. [264]

That is what Poland took from the treaty of Riga. Pity they didn't get 30 pieces of silver too.

Really ? I would like you to post documents stating that Poland got such amount of money (or any amount) for sell-out Ukraine to Soviets.

here are various things:

There is only Article IV could be interpret as broken but as Ukrainian Peoples Republic didn't exists it could hardly be treat as treason.

Anyway Poland recognized new state which in fact needed to be build from the scratch.
Promises material help and military aid and delivered it.
Unfortunately Ukrainians themselves didn't support Petlura and Poland had no resources and strength to build Ukrainian state - they had to build Polish state.

I don't know why you bring it up? You must be kidding if you call it back-stabbing.
Ironside   
14 Sep 2009
News / The most spectacular errors in Polish politics. [264]

I fail to see connection here as I'm expressing my view on the subject and don;t see 1921 treaty as backstabbing. Where is a lie?

How come that Treaty of Riga is a back stab ?
Ironside   
14 Sep 2009
News / The most spectacular errors in Polish politics. [264]

For the fourth time It was no threat - you can take my word for it or not- I don't give dam any-more!
You seem to be without comprehension what totalitarian state means, I mean you understand it on the intellectual level maybe but you don't feel it (or don't want to understand).

Giving you example of "four guys with bats" I wanted to make you understand-feelwhat average person was subjected to in the totalitarian state - hopples in the face of terror.

I agree it was awkward and it could be misunderstood but you haven't given me benefit of the doubt.
You just jumped on me with torrent of abuse and you keep doing it since then.
I'm giving you last chance if you really are interesting in discussion not lies, manipulations or some agenda.
As for lies we had discussion before and I told you not to accuse me of lies.
You seems to be confused as to with whom you are talking and you don't remember who post what.

I could understand your indignation on the first day but now? I think that you using my unfortunate post as a pretexts for refusing discussion with me as I have made some important points.

little boy.

Your goading doesn't work Harry, if you have nothing to say - just say it!
I'm done here.
Ironside   
14 Sep 2009
News / Gazeta Wyborcza: US Backing Off Polish Missile Bases [40]

you just convinced me that you;re a total dolt.. now go fook yourself and quit repeating what i say, especially if you think my comments aren't any good. arsehole

you are USA lap dog - I'm sure it is helpful for you:P
butt-head !
Ironside   
14 Sep 2009
History / What would Europe look like with Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian Commonwealth today [209]

When Ukrainian hetman Xmelnitsky started the huge uprising in 1648 he had no relations with Moscow. It was a mass protest uprising, not an intrigue you must admit. Main reasons were: influenced by reformists catholic church pushed hard on Ukrainian Christian Orthodox in the commonwealth "only catholic can be a szlachtycz" - that was a huge challenge and abuse for majority of Ukrainians. Prior to that that Christian Orthodox had equal rights in the Commonwealth. Also the reformists had pushed using Polish language in churches, which also was kind of issue for Ukrainians.

All this religion thingy was of some importance to some I must admit - mostly to orthodox clergy though.
They main reason for the huge rebellion in 1648 was behind the scene manipulation.
King wanted to use Cossacks as a force to put a pressure on Senate and nobles to strengthen his reign and to Attack Krym(Tatars) and secure southern flank of Polish Kingdom before attack on Sweden (he was heir to Sweden Throne).

This plan backfire because of King dead.
At the same time agents (there is prove of it) from Moscow were trying to influence people using all tool from the book.
Money, religion, personal resentments ect.
They succeeded and Chmielnicki become traitor (he was Polish noble)trying to build state for himself - he failed.

for some 50 years it was more or less Ok.

Not really:P
In the 18th century repressions become more direct for two reasons:
1. The Polish Kingdom become dependent on Russia.
2. Russia destroyed Sicz - reason of the strength of Ruthenians rebellions.
Without Sicz - Ruthenians were only peasants to be subdued( and loyal Cossacks - symbol and tool of the Czar tyranny).
Ironside   
14 Sep 2009
UK, Ireland / England, Dirty, Expensive and a dangerous place to live? [205]

How many times have i complained about Poland on here and Poles have told me to go home?? Plenty, fact is im here for personal reasons and thats all there is to it. Poles have a right to complain in the UK as we all do. Doesnt change the fact that they may wish to stay a while and earn a few more grand does it. Thats a no brainer.

That true enough.
Although in the thread above complains are made by the British and Torny is writing the line again and again.......
Ironside   
14 Sep 2009
UK, Ireland / England, Dirty, Expensive and a dangerous place to live? [205]

I must say, if your not English and are complaining, then hope on whatever mode of transport you like and get yourself back to your homeland, which was obviously so good you had to leave :)

Whats your problem man?
You repeating this line all over this thread, again and again......by now you should know that overwhelming majority people complaining here are British!
WTF !??
Ironside   
14 Sep 2009
History / What would Europe look like with Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian Commonwealth today [209]

Well, if one of the main reasons of the commonwealth failure was forcing Ukrainian elites to give up their religion and language this is very unlikely

Wrong!
the Ruthenians were unable to stick to the bargain and religion was a secondary problem, they imagined they can play the same game with Russian Czar.\

They very fast learned otherwise.

the empire for about 300 years still not calling themselves Russians :

Well, their remembered their origin in Polish Kingdom :P
Seriously, if someone tested freedom it takes time to get use to being slave.

Even rather as British and Irish.

Its only guess, I would rather say that may guess is as good as yours - but I'll stick to mine as Polish culture assimilated Ruthenian and Lithuanian nobles and this is a fact not guess.

I only drawn logical conclusion.
Ironside   
12 Sep 2009
News / The most spectacular errors in Polish politics. [264]

I somehow think that your threat is just as valid as all the other ones that various scumball Poles make.

Well, first of all is not a threat.
It was an example for you to comprehend situation Poles were facing under Soviet rule.
That for your insolent claim that if not for Poles support for Soviets this system would not endure.
It not only lack of respect for all the communist victims in Poland but also lack of respect for country you live in.
I'll not respond to you insults as you declined duel with me before - you are not man, and you have no honour!

was going to reply point by point to your post but then I

Sure, I believe you not.

I'm off to the shops now but I'll be watching the Man U game in Bradley's later today. Do pop in.

You misunderstood my post - but if you insist and are so brave pm me your address or full name.
Ironside   
12 Sep 2009
News / The most spectacular errors in Polish politics. [264]

So you agree that Poland invaded Czechoslovakia in 1938.

I agree, big deal Czechoslovakia did not fight with Germany and number of soldiers from that country fled to Poland. They did not consider Poland enemy.

Romania was also under Soviet control in the 1960s. Did Romanian troops take part in the 1968 invasion? No, they did not.

And?
There could be number of reasons for it.
Anyway say what you must but you cannot claim that Soviet Poland had been independent state.

ell, there were 200,000 Poles in the Ludowe Wojsko Polskie

They were fighting against Germany and for most of them it was a only chance to get out from Soviet Union.
The number of Poles involved with direct fight against Soviets in my estimation is no less then 100 000 minimum.

As always nothing is ever the fault of Poles.

Sure, It is always Poles fault, How predicable Harry!
IF I have a reason to believe that Poles had something to do with that I would say so!
I would add some criminal Polish elements or otherwise if there would be any indication of it did it...........I would condemned it !
But I would have no apologize, what do fuckk Jews ever do for Poles to claim wrongdoings on our part, for every wrongdoing on the Polish side there is twice as much wrongdoings on the Jewish side.

So as long as you don't have a prove that it was a Polish deed, stop bringing it up( and don't quote Soviet court materials or Soviet witnesses - they are worthless).

Although Ukrainians often feature in the high points of Polish history: for example the 1921

How it was backstabbing ?

I know that Poles used a Nazi death camp to lock Ukrainians in before they shipped them off.

Soviet Polish Army was carrying out plans directed by Stalin!
If it would had been REAL Polish army I would have said - those bastards well deserved it!

But the simple fact is that communism couldn’t have survived 44 days in Poland, let alone 44 years, if there hadn’t been such an ample supply of Poles ready to collaborate.

Well, considering that Soviets had Red Army stationed on the Polish (PRL-soviet)territory it does not surprises me that during the years of the occupation number of collaborators were growing.

Well, if not for those traitors and opportunists and criminal scumbags in one , Poland would be a different country and in many ways better.
As for 44 days -I will send to your place 4 guys with baseball bats, don't call for help(you would be then in Poles situation so to speak) and I wonder how long you will last - do you want to give it try?

If not stop posting nonsense !
Ironside   
11 Sep 2009
News / The most spectacular errors in Polish politics. [264]

If all they wanted was to work, there was plenty to be getting on with in their mother country. They could have gone back to their own homes; if their homes had been destroyed, there were many homes which belonged to Jews or Germans who had decided they didn’t need them any more. Those tens of thousands of Poles wanted a better life than they would have in Poland and they expected the British taxpayer to give it to them.

I have found it the most disgusting statement from all your posts here!!!!!!!
These veterans had no homes in Poland because what used to be their homes was now part of Soviet Union.
And those who had family and homes to come back to were more often then not imprisoned and prosecuted by the alleged Polish State.

More fakes I tell you! This is the work of the same people who dressed Germans in Polish army uniforms and used those men to claim that Poland invaded Czechoslovakia twice last century!

Twice ? Would you care to explain yourself as Soviet Poland was not independent state at all - and you know it.

that more Poles fought with the Soviets than against them.

Would you care to provide same statistic or documents to prove your otherwise baseless claim ?

ensuring that the Kielce pogrom took place!

Who is responsible for that Harry?
You don't have to look for some cabal, direct responsibility lays on NKVD.
Poles and Ukrainians ? What do you know Harry ?
Once again stop claim that Soviet puppet state was Polish !
Moscow was the real capital !
Ironside   
10 Sep 2009
History / US snubs Poland over WW II ceremony? [75]

Why would anyone complain?

Who is complaining ?

They are just satisfying the public by not kissing the US's ass.

Hey is not about kissing and asses girl :P

This proves the US i

don't give a dam about Poland and their military support or they are confident that regardless Poland will continues to support USA military.

Some people are expressing that concern about one sided friendship between Poland and USA.
Don't panic :D

Peace and Thanks!

Same to you!

Where USA only takes .....
Ironside   
10 Sep 2009
News / Poland Remembers start of WW2 [200]

I would advise you not to attempt to back the lies of other posters by posting about unconnected events.

Fair enough.

es - I like to know as much pssbl

Very good

I'm broad

Do you pay for two places ?

I am Dutch :))

I will not hold it against you :P

*grin*

shite :)

You are forgetting the battle of the Atlantic.

I know but it doesn't change a thing, Germans were threatening your communication lines and you were defending it - not much to it!

But not the home one :-)

Well, As I said, you faced only Luftwaffe :P

You have a huge chip on your shoulder mate.

Why ?????????
As I see it all country's being part of war effort have biased history.
I agree that some points about WWII Poles are biased - some!
Although on this forum we are doing nothing else but discussing WWII and Polish point of view to and fro!
I have noticed that western country's have biased history of WWII too.
Myths:
Britain involved itself with war against Germany in defence of Poland.

Poland was ill prepared to war.
Britain was ready to help Poland military in 1939
Britain issuing guarantees to Poland was ready to fight but Poland was conquered to fast for Britain to react
Ironside   
9 Sep 2009
News / Poland Remembers start of WW2 [200]

So your rather pathetic statement that "By the way, because Britain bombed German cities, 35,000 Polish men women and children were dragged out of their house in Warsaw and shot in the streets in a few days by the Germans as revenge." is in actually a lie. The Wola massacre was actually part of the German responce to the Warsaw Uprising. But why miss a chance to blame the British for something which the Poles did?

It not my statement and I'm not backing it!

Wola - 1944 is an answer to your claim that

I've had a look back over a couple of sites which have histories of Warsaw and can find absolutely no reference at all to a massacre of that size taking place in Warsaw at that time. It's just another lie told by a Pole who wants to make Poland's role in history seem more important.

Ironside

I would advice you against linking me with lies and my alleged lies!
You are not able to have a discussion without resorting to personal insults?

Ironside

Well, France was trounced in matter of weeks.
France - world power with colonies, big industry and rich country, protected on her Eastern border by enormous fortification, many modern planes and tanks, in all French armed forces were equal to German army.

Supported by British Army!

Poland, agriculture economy, after 120 years of the partition country had only 18 years to rebuilt itself form a scratch.
Surrounded by Germans from the North, West and South , attacked by Soviets from the East(future superpower).

Britain country where industrial revolution started.
World Empire for more than 100 years , strong industry and banking system.
Allied with France, supported by Canada, New Zealand, India, Australia and from 1941 by USA! In the same year formed alliance with Soviet Russia.
Had her ass kicked on all fronts from France to Northern Africa.
Faced only by Luftwaffe, make a stand fortified behind the canal.
With a little help of the friend\s won the war but tide turned in 1943 on the eastern front.

Greece trounced in matter of weeks, Denmark trounced in matter of a day, Holland trounced in matters of days, Belgium trounced in matter of days, Norway trounced in matter of weeks, Yugoslavia trounced in matter of weeks.

Tell me who done better then Poland in 1939??????
Nobody till 1943.
And they dare to spread that lame excuses in the British history books - that Poland were ill prepared!??
fukkking lying bastards - who was prepared better ? Germany?
And who financed Germans military preparation? Bankers from Wall Street ......

We talking on PF about polish myths
Maybe its Time to talk about western country's myths about WWII
Ironside   
9 Sep 2009
History / US snubs Poland over WW II ceremony? [75]

It seems the "tempest in a teacup" was mostly celebrated here on the forum. No big deal......

People are only expressing their opinions on PF.
Officials (apart from the fact that they are mostly fukkers and cvunts) express an official position, its so called diplomatic statement.
Its only indication how valuable in the eyes of USA is Poland. It no news to me - so I don't care:P

You do realize that there is only a tiny fraction of really polish people here. So the asinine US bashing is not done by them alone. OK, maybe a couple of people who got their a** kicked here because they thought they will be picking dollars of the trees, but instead they had to work.

Any examples or you talking out of your ass?

The USA will get into a** kicking mode again no matter what whiners and complainers think.

Are you feel bigger ?Better ? stronger ?
You personally, because your army killed someone again ?
What a peculiar attitude, no wonder USA is going to the dogs with such citizens.
Ironside   
9 Sep 2009
News / Poland Remembers start of WW2 [200]

I actually second that. I'm too getting a bit tired of hearing and reading how great the Poles were in WW2 and how they suffered and how world-changing their work was. I am sure they did something, but for the biggest part the effects were only local, not global. In short, nobody outside of Poland really cared about what happened in Poland. And they still don't care. Poles may think is does, but the world doesn't.

at last you have knowlegde about things you don't care about.

Poland was and will remain a backwater in Europe.

When ?
what do you mean -Poland was- ?

Poland was one of the great European power !
IN WWII nobody were better then Poland in 1939!
Polish Army was one of the best !

I've had a look back over a couple of sites which have histories of Warsaw and can find absolutely no reference at all to a massacre of that size taking place in Warsaw at that time. It's just another lie told by a Pole who wants to make Poland's role in history seem more important.

!944 Wola - check it!
Ironside   
7 Sep 2009
News / Microsoft Poland whitens a black face in its advert [130]

M-G (quizmaster)

For marketing reasons if they left black guy, or from the start had a white guy it wouldn't made the news.
Now they have advertisement for free!
Correct Heer Slim ?
Ironside   
7 Sep 2009
News / Poland Remembers start of WW2 [200]

Really but we won against:

....
....
one by one or all in one ?:P

wrote

Good for you - do you have any question?
regards to your Grandpa
Ironside   
7 Sep 2009
News / Microsoft Poland whitens a black face in its advert [130]

Well he wasnt the same colour he was born or have the same nose or chin or cheeks or hair, he had caucasian features (in a screwed up way - Brad Pitt after a car crash kind of look).

Well, does it make him white or black or something entirely new - something in between?
Self-made almost white person !
Is genetic heritage decisive ?
Maybe his perception is more important ?

There is so much about womens being jailed in the mans body's - maybe he was a white person born with Negro's body ?