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What needs to happen in the world so that Poland and Russia form alliance?


Crow 148 | 9,328  
23 Aug 2009 /  #1
What needs to happen in the world so that Poland and Russia form alliance?

i need answer on this question, please
Nika 2 | 507  
23 Aug 2009 /  #2
a miracle....
southern 75 | 7,096  
23 Aug 2009 /  #3
What needs to happen in the world so that Poland and Russia form alliance?

A war against the vodka.
vetala - | 382  
23 Aug 2009 /  #4
German-led EU forms anti-Slavic alliance with America and Arab countries.
Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535  
23 Aug 2009 /  #5
i need answer on this question

Me too. On another question...
OP Crow 148 | 9,328  
23 Aug 2009 /  #6
but i still wait an inspiration

a miracle....

probably

A war against the vodka

he he
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
23 Aug 2009 /  #7
an-led EU forms anti-Slavic alliance with America and Arab countries.

And with Martians.
OP Crow 148 | 9,328  
23 Aug 2009 /  #8
German-led EU forms anti-Slavic alliance with America and Arab countries.

yes, it could be direct reason but only in case that such anti-Slavic alliance openly declare its anti-Slavic orrientation. EU, NATO, Israel and Islamic league - axis already [among else] act as anti-Slavic conglomerate but, of course, they won`t admit it. They count on `divide and conquer` policy when deal with Slavs

Sokrates

are you Martian?
rock - | 460  
23 Aug 2009 /  #9
If Russians give Kaliningrad to Poles as a gesture :)
McCoy 27 | 1,269  
23 Aug 2009 /  #10
and half of their oil deposits
OP Crow 148 | 9,328  
23 Aug 2009 /  #11
so, it is possible after all

well, USA isn`t what USA was (if it was ever). EU is something else what needed to be, obviously

and, Russia... Russia also evolve. Let us hope in positive dirrection

Poland. Poland also changing. Hm, let`s say,... let us give time to Poland
Trevek 26 | 1,702  
24 Aug 2009 /  #12
What needs to happen in the world so that Poland and Russia form alliance?

i need answer on this question, please

The same thing for Serbia, Bulgaria and Turkey to form an alliance.

If Russians give Kaliningrad to Poles as a gesture :)

That'd miff Germany (let's do it)!
Ironside 50 | 11,072  
24 Aug 2009 /  #13
I have asked the same question in one of the threads.
I have not enough data about Russia to answer that one.

If it comes to Poland, all it takes is real elite in charge and right offer.
Easy_Terran 3 | 312  
24 Aug 2009 /  #14
What needs to happen in the world so that Poland and Russia form alliance?

LOL

Ruskies: pashol von, sobakhee
OP Crow 148 | 9,328  
24 Aug 2009 /  #15
I have not enough data about Russia to answer that one.

If it comes to Poland, all it takes is real elite in charge and right offer.

thanks for this well balanced and valuable comment

:)

The same thing for Serbia, Bulgaria and Turkey to form an alliance.

brrrrrr. Nasty joke

brate, i think that understand problems between Poles and Russians. Russia failed on Slavic West, its a fact but, no chance that you can compare Russians and Turks. Its not serious
1jola 14 | 1,879  
24 Aug 2009 /  #16
If Russia ever becomes a democratic country, stops using oil and gas as a blackmail tool, opens its archives, and ceases to revert to Soviet propaganda, cooperation might be possible.

Not in this generation.
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
24 Aug 2009 /  #17
Ruskies: pashol von, sobakhee

sobakhee is plural form of a dog, thus you should have used "poshli" form of the verb. "Poshli von, sobakee" is correct.

opens its archives

Good point. I can't share other ones I'm afraid...
I also wonder what should Poland alter in her current state to make the alliance real?
1jola 14 | 1,879  
24 Aug 2009 /  #18
At the moment, I think Russia would like for Poland to admit they started WWII and aknowledge our insane resistance to Russia's great efforts to bring peace and prosperity to all the workers in the world.

I don't think they can ever forgive us for stopping them in 1920 from flodding Europe. The rest of Europe is also indignant that we stopped the bolsheviks. It could have been such a worker's paradise. Pesky Poles.

Sacking Moscow in the 17th century was also naughty. No one has done it since, and they have tried.

The ball is in the Russians' court.
Harry  
24 Aug 2009 /  #19
What will it take? Brave Serbian heroes coming to Poland and engaging in their traditional hobbies (genocide and ethnic cleansing) until there are no Poles in Poland and the country then being repopulated by Russians.
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
24 Aug 2009 /  #20
At the moment, I think Russia would like for Poland to admit they started WWII and aknowledge our insane resistance to Russia's great efforts to bring peace and prosperity to all the workers in the world.

I wouldn't take those sentiments of Russian government as somewhat of serious accusations which need admitting. This is more about self-defense and bury the issue of for instance Katyn under the ash of demagogy. "The best defense is an offense.

I don't think they can ever forgive us for stopping them in 1920 from flodding Europe

And I think you shouldn't have put it as "they" as if bolsheviks were/are the most accurate reflection of Russian society.

What will it take? Brave Serbian heroes coming to Poland and engaging in their traditional hobbies (genocide and ethnic cleansing)

Isn't your father Serbian by any (mis)chance?

and the country then being repopulated by Russians.

We can't even repopulate our own land.
OP Crow 148 | 9,328  
24 Aug 2009 /  #21
If Russia ever becomes a democratic country

good point. i think that they trying

stops using oil and gas as a blackmail tool,

here, you must understand them. Anybody using anything available when is under pressure. Currently, Russia is under NATO/EU pressure. That way, Russian respond to NATO/EU affecting Polish-Russian relations

opens its archives,

i absolutely agree

ceases to revert to Soviet propaganda

also, very good point

Not in this generation.

who knows. We shall see

I also wonder what should Poland alter in her current state to make the alliance real?

maybe, among else, to go out of NATO and to declare neutrality on current military alliances?
1jola 14 | 1,879  
24 Aug 2009 /  #22
And I think you shouldn't have put it as "they" as if bolsheviks were/are the most accurate reflection of Russian society.

You're right. When I travelled through Russia, I made friends easily and there was no animosity toward Poles at all, but some friends I made told me that their press sure tried to flame it up.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
24 Aug 2009 /  #23
If Russians give Kaliningrad to Poles as a gesture :)

Jesus Christ, you want to collapse our economy with a HIV infested 3rd world enclave? Have you ever seen Kaliningrad? They can keep it.

At the moment, I think Russia would like for Poland to admit they started WWII and aknowledge our insane resistance to Russia's great efforts to bring peace and prosperity to all the workers in the world.

Sasha is partly right, this is not a start of some grand political offensive but rather demagogical attempt at shoving guilt under the carpet, we should issue measured responces and not allowed domestic idiots (politicians) to use it as their vote gathering bytch, its no big deal.

I don't think they can ever forgive us for stopping them in 1920 from flodding Europe.

A typical Russian sees Poland a small and insignificant country (despite us being 1/3 of their economy) of course most are buying the goverment crap to some degree but they dont blame us anymore.

"The best defense is an offense.

Which in this case is stupid because the majority of Europe stops taking Russian historical claims serious and once future generations of Russians will try and come to grips with their history for good no one will even listen to them.

The ball is in the Russians' court.

There is no game so how can there be a ball?:)

That said Russia is stuck at a medieval stage with failing economy and stagnant society, there cant be a dialogue when only one side is capable of talking, Russia is not evil (though it does evil) its simply a product of a century long path that ultimately leads to failiure as a state antagonizing everyone and their brother along the way.

Russia can't change even if it wants to.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649  
24 Aug 2009 /  #24
well, USA isn`t what USA was (if it was ever). EU is something else what needed to be, obviously

Come to USA and see for yourself :D
Trevek 26 | 1,702  
24 Aug 2009 /  #25
i think that understand problems between Poles and Russians. Russia failed on Slavic West, its a fact but, no chance that you can compare Russians and Turks. Its not serious

I think you'll find many Poles, due to historical relationships with Russia, actually view Russia in a similar way to how many Balkan Slavs view the Turks... occupation, forced religious conversation, cultural suppression, subjegation etc.
OP Crow 148 | 9,328  
24 Aug 2009 /  #26
scandalous. Situation is worse then i thought

then, Russia should change approach

Russia can't change even if it wants to.

actualy, alliance with Poland would definitely change Russia
Marek11111 9 | 816  
24 Aug 2009 /  #27
if all Russian and Polish people get off the religion and become a atheist
Ironside 50 | 11,072  
24 Aug 2009 /  #28
Anymore golden thoughts ? this time without word atheist ?

random?
Marek11111 9 | 816  
24 Aug 2009 /  #29
Polish and Russian people need to stop taking opium for the masses and get rid of religion then they will become human beings and become equal then they can be alliance for one common good but now they are divided by religion labels as religion is poison

how is this for golden thought ?
OP Crow 148 | 9,328  
24 Aug 2009 /  #30
if all Russian and Polish people get off the religion and become a atheist

communists tried to live outside of the God`s (Christianity) path and their way proved to be wrong

Then also, look what happened to our ancestors in old era and in early middle age. It was opened hunt season on Slavs until Slavs didn`t finaly accept Christianity and until they abandened their old Gods.

So, hipotheticaly, if all Poles and all Russians (and other Slavs following them) abanden Christianity, western parts (non-Slavic) Europe would unite to destroy Slavs. On the other side, western parts of Europe are already united in idea of assimilation and destruction of Slavs and they are even in deal with Islamic world and Israel arround idea of destabilization of Slavs.

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