i've been through this before, you probably were not on the forums at the time. The ability to help Poland................... it was not possible from a military and logistics point of view. How could we (the UK) have moved that many troops into Poland in time to stop the Germans from when Blitzkreig kicked off, you gave us like two weeks!!!! if that!!!! Secondly we could not support you from the air because we did not have the bombers with the fuel capactity to make a round trip, there was no way we could of got there and back. Thats not even taking into consideration the flight path we would have to take over a lot of German occupied airspace and land, just to reach you. So there are two issues right back at you to start off with.
As have I on different forums. The amount of time that it would take for Warsaw to fall was unknown at the time of the attack. It is easier to say now there was not enough time, as we look back and see how things unfolded. The idea I believe was an attack on the German mainland, opening another front, and relieving Poland in that way, not direct bomber attacks on Poland.. as those would be ineffective anyways due to the armies mobility.
But regardless of how..even after Poland fell to the Germans, nothing was done. Then France was attacked. The French are in the same boat, and they bordered Germany. There is a reason they called it the "Phony war". These were promises from France and England if Germany was to attack Poland, they were broken. England and France were our allies, and they never showed up. The entire Western German border was practically wide open, as Hitler concentrated all his forces on Poland. He gambled that France and England would not come to Polands aid, and he was right on the money. Later German generals went to say that they thought the idea was suicide. They practically had no forces between France to Berlin, guarding the German border.
Now the main betrayal happened to Stalin.. after the war. The conference in Tehran and Yalta.
I don't blame individuals in todays world, but facts are facts. I have nothing against the English, French, or even Germans at this point. I just don't like when people won't admit to what is.
Part of the reason it is still 'effecting' life in Poland is because people do not seem to have the ability to move on, Poland could be so much more, if only people would look to the prospect of a bright future rathe than the dull, terrible past. Poland has so much potential that is not being forfilled, i look forward to the day when the generations of today bring into the world a new generation. A generation that remember and respect while at the same time look to the future of a better prosperous Poland.
It is affecting life directly in Poland not in a mental sense, but in a real day to day life. The reason we just had mass migration to the UK, and other EU countries, prior to that the U.S, and a 1.23 fertility rate is owed all to financial reasons. The countries economy while growing, and improving, as well as the unemployment rate, but it is not yet satisfactory. These are the after affects of 40 years of communist rule. Communist rule that was a direct result of our allies allowing Stalin to claim Poland as his own. Just look west of the iron curtain to do a quick compare and contrast.
I can't speak for everybody, but it's not that I like to dwell in the past and feel sorry for myself and my country. It has to do sometimes with the things people say, that arent justified, or fair.
I admit maybe this was not the right place to say what i said, i think a day of rememberance is more than called for, however when that just turns into 'we are the victims' 'why Poland' etc etc it goes beyond remembering and respecting the dead. You know what would make the lost proud, if Poland grew in stature, if the people of Poland developed their nation, themselves and their race instead of continually playing the roll of victim.
I agree with you. But it is not about feeling of being the victims, but about facts. Facts that are sometimes ignored, or sometimes twisted around. 40 years of communist rule inside of Poland and the suppression of Polands achievements in the media, and schools surely contribute to this.
With all this typing all I am saying is that Poland got shafted and betrayed by her allies. FACT.
Poland was the 4th largest army in Europe after the Soviet Union, the UK and the US..
Hell, we werent even allowed to march in the victory parade in London after the war... now on top of everything that happened, if that isnt a slap in the face, I don't know what is..
please don't insult me by telling me i don't know a thing about WWII or what roll Poland or any other nation played in it.
I didnt mean to insult you. I tend to get excited about these topics as I have a big interest in WWII and the things that happened during this time, especially in Poland, so I am a bit more "enthusiastic" I guess then the average person. Mostly people don't agree with me, but then again most of these conversation are with people from the UK, or the US.. so I understand them trying to justify their countries actions, even though we do not agree.