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15 Jul 2009
Life / why do People in Poland speak so quietly? [23]

I've noticed that people in Poland speak really quietly when on the telephone compared to us Americans, Is there any reason for this?

Yes: yelling on the phone so everyone hears you is rude. Usually people around you do not wish to hear about what you should buy on your way home, your Auntie's health problems, the assignment you've got at work or your problems with your Internet provider. It's your business and yelling about it does not interest the people around you but it can distract and annoy them.

They do that on cell phones, sometimes.

People usually shout on cell phones because their interlocutor can't hear them. I always have problems talking on the phone when I'm on a bus, in the street etc, so the people who talk to me must shout.

In the US it's considered incredibly rude to talk on a cell phone in public or while driving tho people do it all the time.

Well: when at home, you need no mobile phone. When in cinema, theatre, lectures, classes, or at work, you should have your phone turned off. Now, if you can't use it in public - why have a mobile phone at all?
4 Jul 2009
Life / What really represents Polish people? What would be the symbol of Poland... [51]

Poland has been a "Catholic country" since its very beginning as the nation, ever since Mieszko was baptised in 966,

When Mieszko got baptised, there was no definite division between Catholicism, Orthodox Christianity and Protestantism. He was baptised simply as a Christian.

and nothing has changed ever since

A lot has changed: there was the Great Schism, Reformation, Union of Brest, the territory of Poland changed and started incorporating lands with Orthodox population (still, around Białystok there's a lot of Orthodox Christians), assimilated Jews started speaking Polish and contributing to Polish culture (like Tuwim), not Jewish (like Singer). A lot of stuff

happened since 966...

Are you talking about the same multicultural Poland in both sentences?
How is the Polish eagle representative of Ukrainians, Latvians or Germans?

The legend is about founding the first Polish town, Gniezno - out of which the state later emerged. The Eagle is representative of the land and the state, so it can be representative of every Polish citizen.
2 Jul 2009
Life / What really represents Polish people? What would be the symbol of Poland... [51]

I don't think that religious symbols are a good representation of Poland. Poland has been a "Catholic country" since WWII - before the war it was quite a multicultural state. Also, not all famous people considered symbols of Poland were catholic, e.g. Mikołaj Rej (Calvinist), Maria Skłodowska-Curie (atheist), and, of course, many Polish Jews. Poland was one of the few countries that were religiously tolerant: while other countries had religious wars, Jews, Hussites, Arians and others settled in Poland to escapes persecution. Therefore using a Catholic symbol as a symbol of Poland would be ignoring Polish history and contribution of non-catholics into Polish culture.

I also think that regional symbols are not a good choice. Highlanders are cool, but they only live in a very limited area and have nothing to do with most of Poles. For someone living in a city in central Poland, highlander culture is something alien. Using folklore as symbol of Poland was very popular during the times of communism, because communism was supposed to be for the folk, but I don't think it really represents Poland. First of all, there are very little people who consider folk culture as their 'natural' culture in which they live (Polish folk culture is now rather an exotic thing for Poles), and second, in the past it was limited to peasants and had little contact with the rest of Polish culture (Romantic period and Młoda Polska is an exception here). Again - this is something that cannot represent a country as a whole.

And the eagle - well, that's connected with the legend about founding Poland - so it can be viewed as something common. Even Polish Jews lived on the land of descendants of Lech.
28 Jun 2009
Life / What is the best Polish book ever written. [23]

From 1901 to 1912, the committee was characterized by an interpretation of the "ideal direction" stated in Nobel's will as "a lofty and sound idealism", which caused Leo Tolstoy, Henrik Ibsen, Émile Zola and Mark Twain to be rejected.[4] During World War I and its immediate aftermath, the committee adopted a policy of neutrality, favouring writers from non-combatant countries.[4]

And it wasn't far from the general perception of literary merits in that time. Often, book was judged by its ideological contents more than purely literary quality.

Even very conservative Polish teachers sometimes admit Sienkiewicz wrote popular literature.
28 Jun 2009
Language / Podobać się vs Lubić [13]

podobać = to find attractive

Ten obrazek mi się podoba = This picture finds me attractive?
28 Jun 2009
Language / Podobać się vs Lubić [13]

"Lubić" is a verb which expresses our positive emotional attitude towards something. And if we use "lubić" with another verb, it could be also translate as "enjoy".

Lubię pływać - I like swimming = I enjoy swimming.
Lubię wujka Józka - I like Uncle Józek.
Lubię The Rolling Stones - I like The Rolling Stones = I enjoy their music.

"Podobać się" expresses our judgement about something. "Lubić" describes how we permanently fell about something and "podobać się" is more about what we feel at the moment. If I say "Lubię tę szarą sukienkę" (I like that grey dress), this means I've had this dress for some time, I enjoy wearing it, and probably I'd find it hard to get rid of it. I can't say this, if I see it for the first time in a shop. Then, if I want to express my judgement and simply say it's pretty in my opinion, I'll say "Podoba mi się ta szara sukienka".

The same, if I must know a song for some time to say "I like this song", because "lubię" expresses my emotional attitude. I can't have emotional attitude to a song I hear for the first time. But if I want to say "I like this song" just to say that I find it nice (even if I hear it for the first time), I'll say "Podoba mi się ta piosenka".

If you know some German:
Lubię to = Ich mag es.
To mi się podoba = Das gefällt mir.
28 Jun 2009
UK, Ireland / Friend told "just allow your son to forget Polish" by school. [96]

Of course we should cater for everyone that wants to come and live shouldnt we? We should spend more unnecessary tax payers money on teaching people the language of their host country? Silly me!

WTF? Who told about teaching kids other languages in an English school?

I will still insist that a teacher who works with children of various origins should know the difference between language acquisition of a five-year-old and foreign language learning of a twelve-years-old. And really, a 45 minute-long lecture at a college is enough to explain teachers-to-be that such small children can learn to speak two languages with no harm.

The English he is learning is not something to be "picked up naturally" as you put it as though it's happen through some kind of osmosis, he needs to be taught it both at school and at home.

Well, actually, in case of a kid at the age of five, it is.
A child at this age is still not perfectly fluent with his/her native language and still picks it up. If the child is exposed to another language, s/he just picks it up the same way.
28 Jun 2009
Life / What is the best Polish book ever written. [23]

Sienkiewicz is no great literature. It has got huge historical significance because it was something uplifting for the occupied Poles to read, but in fact these are just adventure books set in important moments of Polish history, intellectually shallow, with awfully flat characters and a lot of ideology and populist nationalism. Something like Hollywood films about the Vietnam war nowadays.

If you look for something sophisticated and artistic, better go for Gombrowicz, Różewicz, Lem or Schultz.
25 Jun 2009
Genealogy / Is Kraszewski a famous last name is Poland? [5]

There were three writers: Kraszewski, Karasicki and Krasiński. And Polish high school students never remember which is which :)
25 Jun 2009
UK, Ireland / Friend told "just allow your son to forget Polish" by school. [96]

Maybe they felt that his progress in English may be slower if he learns
both English and Polish at the same time?

Teachers at school in a multi-ethnic country shouldn't be that ignorant.

If your friends are going to stay in UK permanently and their son is having trouble
learning both Polish and English at the same time then it's probably better for the
kid to concentrate on English.

The process of learning languages are different in children. Adults and older children have to put some effort into learning languages, so learning 2 languages intensely can be too much for them. In case of a kid at the age of five, this is a natural, effortless process. The child just picks up the language. Making a kid pick up 2 or 3 languages simultaneously may seem straining but in fact it is not. Later, the brain loses the ability of that kind of learning (called language acquisition), and learning languages becomes something hard and time-consuming.
25 Jun 2009
Language / My Polish keyboard setting doesn't include all characters [9]

Try to set "Klawiatura> Ustawienia regionalne" to "Angielski programisty", and then, change the language into Polish on the language bar (pasek języka) (or whatever equivalent of it Vista has). Then, write diacritics using Alt (Alt+z = ź; the rest is logical).

I've never used Vista, but afaik, these are the settings generally used in Poland on Windows, so it should be similar on Vista.
21 Jun 2009
Life / "K*rwa"-why do young Poles find this word so cool ? [67]

I've heard people of all ages and social backgrounds use this word. Some people just use it more rarely, so it makes impression they don't use it at all. This word even occurs in classic Polish poetry:

Julian Tuwim: Bal w Operze (Ball in the Opera)

I dalej się wije i tłuszczem obrasta
I nonszalancko ogonem chlasta
Największa atrakcja Balu!
I przyśpiewuje "Komu dziś dać?
Komu dziś dać?
Komu dziś dać?''
Promieniejąca Kurwa - Mać
Kurwa - Mieć
Kurwa - Brać !

More or less:
And she is still writhing
And overgrowing with fat
And lashing her tail nonchalantly,
The main attraction of the Ball!
And she's singing: "who wants to get in on?
To get it on?
To get it on?"
The radiating Kurwa Mać*,
Kurwa - have,
Kurwa - take!.

*common expression of anger, literally meaning "mother"

Jan Kochanowski "Na matematyka" (On a mathematician)

Ziemię pomierzył i głębokie morze,
Wie, jako wstają i zachodzą zorze;
Wiatrom rozumie, praktykuje komu,
A sam nie widzi, że ma kurwę w domu.

He's measured the earth and the deep sea
He knows how daybreak and twilight comes
He understands the winds, [sorry, i don't get Renaissance Polish that well)
And he cannot see he's got a w.h.o.r.e. at home.
19 Jun 2009
Language / Why do you have this weird grammar with y and i? optYka? magazYn? zYsk? why? [30]

"i" and "y" in Polish are two different sounds. The phonological system of Polish works in such a way that when a consonant is followed by "i" it is palatalized (well, it becomes a different, softer-sounding sound). If magazyn was pronounced with "i", the "z" would not be "z" any more. If you want to preserve "z" in te word, you need to pronounce it with "y". Thus, the word is both closer to the original and sounds natural for Polish language.

In case of "optyka", the thing is that the syllable "ti" doesn't sound natural in Polish, so the word in pronounced with "ty".

And what is the problem with "zysk"? It's not a borrowing, just a Polish word pronounced normally and spelt normally.
18 Jun 2009
Food / baby food in Poland - culture differences in feeding babies. [23]

Advice? That was the main difference I found here - zero advice.

LOL. You want to make us all believe that there are no bookshops, Internet and magazines in Poland?
There's plenty of stuff written on babies here. Afaik, even during the communist times it was not a problem to get some info.
18 Jun 2009
Language / Using państwo and surnames. [8]

Even in this case you can say: Nie ma państwa Kowalczyk.

B.u.l.l.s.h.i.t. You can't say that.
9 Jun 2009
Love / Need advice with Polish girl, I like her but she has a boyfriend. [114]

She also seems to be very insecure and can't accept why I like her over other girls and worried that i'll get bored of her etc.

A little tip from a girl's point of view: run away from her!
It even sucks to be considered a friend of such a person. I can only imagine how it sucks to be in a relationship with her.

"OMG, I'm so hopeless, nobody likes me! What do you see in me?" Well, if you enjoy performing a function of the one who will tell an insecure girl how awesome she to boost up here ego, go for it.
9 Jun 2009
News / Polish priest publishes sex guide [97]

I don't think it's because of the priests, it's Catholicism and Christian ethics that clash with their morals.

Or maybe it's just priests clashing with christian ethics? If you don't know, what I mean, think of Luther's thesis. All that protestant mess wasn't exactly about theology, was it?
8 Jun 2009
News / EU elections in Poland: excuses for not voting please [43]


Finally I found a candidate whom I didn't treat as the lesser evil. And, of course, she's not in EP. She started from the wrong list, otherwise she's have quite a big chance to get elected.
8 Jun 2009
Life / Price of beer in Poland [90]

I have no idea why, but I always have to pee after drinking it.

Maybe because it's a beer?
6 Jun 2009
Food / Vegetarian food in Poland? [83]

For example, you may replace meat and saussage (kielbasa) in bigos (sauerkraut stew) with smoked tofu and dried soy protein. Put some more smoked plums in it as well, and you'll get a very tasty vegetarian bigos.


The same as pierogi are different types of dumplings. We have different types of potatoe dumplings:szare kluski (served with cabbage stew (z kapustą),

You mean, without lard?

In the South (Lesser Poland, Tatry and Beskidy mountains) you can find fried cheese (smazony ser) or grilled oscypek cheese with cranberries (grilowany oscypek z zurawina). In the East you can find bliny pancakes and some pies or even saussage made of grated potatoes and onions (but be careful - they may contain lard as well).

Now, that makes more sense...

I would not recommend to 'convert' bigos to a vegetarian dish or serve szare kluski without lard or meat sauce. No, really... When I image pieces of tofu melting in bigos, it's just horrible...

While spoil meat dishes with surrogates? The taste of good bigos mostly depends on meat, so you simply can't make bigos on tofu. It's like replacing the sauerkraut in bigos with something else. It won't be bigos, any more.

Or some dried soya protein... it sounds not like food but like some ersatz. And taste like that, too. All those soya chunks, soya pâté and stuff - it's awful. I think some vegetarians are a bit masochistic. Those meat dishes with soya equivalents have taste and texture of toilet paper, and it's so conspicuous, that they are an impoverished versions of other dishes. Why eat that stuff while there is an alternative? There's a lot of stuff you can do with beans, lentils, chickpeas etc. with a full, rich taste, which was never meant to contain meat, so tastes great without it. A vegetarian doesn't have to eat processed soya, because there are tastier and more natural sources of proteins. And, btw, these are the cheapest sources of proteins in the market.

Coming back to the bigos issue: don't make it with tofu! It's a goddamn profanation. Bigos is not for vegetarians - accept it and get some normal vegetarian meals.
5 Jun 2009
Life / JOKES ABOUT POLISH. Have we deserve it? [68]

WWII. A Jew, a Gypsy and a Pole escaped a concentration camp. Two guys from SS with German shepherd dogs are hunting them at night in the woods.

The three escapees found some trees with low branches, so they climbed them and hid in the crowns. The dogs lead the Germans to the trees and stopped under them, moving around and barking, but it was too dark to see the fugitives.

Suddenly the wind blew harder, moved the trees and the Jew lost his balance, and made a lot of noise slipping off the branch.
'What was that?' shouted an SS-mann.
The Jew hooted, and the German said: "Oh, it's just an owl".
Yet, the dogs kept walking around the trees and barking, so the Germans did not go away.
The Gypsy lost his balance and made some noise.
'Hey, there really is something in those trees!' said the other German.
The Gypsy cawed.
'No, it's just some crow. The dogs must have woken it". said the German.
Finally, the Pole lost his balance. The whole tree shook.
"Moooooooh" belowed the Pole...