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Using państwo and surnames.


stelingo 5 | 14  
16 Jun 2009 /  #1
How would I say Mr and Mrs Kowalczyk using the word państwo?
Would it be państwo Kowalczykowie?
And if I wanted to say Mr and Mrs Kowalczyk aren't here would I say:
Nie ma państwa Kowalczyków?
gumishu 11 | 5,030  
16 Jun 2009 /  #2
yes - I guess you just wanted to get rid of any doubt - anyway you got good ear for Polish

(both of the examples you've given were correct)
Krzysztof 2 | 973  
17 Jun 2009 /  #3
Nie ma państwa Kowalczyków?

probably this word order would be better:
Państwa Kowalczyków nie ma [w domu],

but it depends on the conversation context, for exemple, if you want to say that most people arrived at a meeting/gathering with the exception of Mr and Mrs Kowalczyk, then the word order suggested by you is more natural:

(Przyszli prawie wszyscy: państwo Nowakowie, Kowalscy, Wiśniewscy, nie ma [tylko] [państwa] Kowalczyków i Woźniaków.)
OP stelingo 5 | 14  
17 Jun 2009 /  #4
Thanks for your input.
mafketis 21 | 7,591  
18 Jun 2009 /  #5
Of course, you usually don't actually say państwo in the third person, especially if the context makes it clear you're talking about a married couple: "Przyszli prawie wszyscy: Nowakowie, Kowalscy, Wiśniewscy, nie ma tylko Kowalczyków i Woźniaków."

Sounds more natural to me (though I'm not a native speaker).
znafca  
18 Jun 2009 /  #6
However, you have to remember that it ain't work with everything.
Some names ain't change when it comes to PRZYPADKI.

Even in this case you can say: Nie ma państwa Kowalczyk.

It is very difficult subject and many Poles also have problem with that.
I wish you good luck in learning!
Switezianka - | 463  
18 Jun 2009 /  #7
Even in this case you can say: Nie ma państwa Kowalczyk.

B.u.l.l.s.h.i.t. You can't say that.
Kamil_pl - | 59  
21 Jun 2009 /  #8
LOL. 90% of Poles would say it like that. And I'm one of them. Nie ma państwa Kowalczyków sounds wierd. You can say Nie ma Kowalczyków, or Nie ma państwa Kowalczyk.

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