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What Poland thinks about China


christy1991 4 | 37  
12 Jun 2009 /  #1
In my Impression,Poland and China are two friendly countries.maybe because of the language,we seldom hear comments about China from Poland.most from UK,France,Russia,Germany,especially American,canada,India etc.

So how Polish think about China? chinese people?chinese culture?or chinese products?
esek 2 | 228  
12 Jun 2009 /  #2
Generally speaking I think that Polish people know very little about China... some of us like Chinese food :)
Kasz 1 | 76  
12 Jun 2009 /  #3
Chinese culture is rly cool i belive, same with history. But rest its not so cool i think... when i think about china, first things coming to my mind is comunism... second is that picture -> cnd.org/June4th/photos/Cover01.gif

Third thing is workers working more then 12 hours each day in some nasty factorys. Products from china are in all over the world, even my monitor,keyboard,speakers,mobile and prolly 3/4 things in my house is made in china even if i dont know that... but i dont get "made in china" as a mark of quality....

Chinese food is not bad :P Chinese ppl in poland are just ok, they are always wondering around in groups, naver makes any problems, they are just fine ;]

cheers
OP christy1991 4 | 37  
12 Jun 2009 /  #4
Esek:what chinese food you like?are there many chinese restaurants in your city?

Oh~!it is so unfair,you can easily eat chinese food as your wiiling,but we couldn't see any polish food here,at lest i haven't found it.just from google,what a poor girl!!!

Hi! Kasz:

Really???3/4 things in your house are made in China??? my god! i had thought polish aren't interested in chinese products.

When the first client who is from Poland want to buy our product,i was in dream,i really want to ask him:where you found us?but after he bought one container,he didn't reply any email to me.i don't know why,maybe he wasn't satisfied with our quality???

Just because of this client,i like your country,but there are few informations to know more about Poland,i don't think it is a good thing!
Kasz 1 | 76  
12 Jun 2009 /  #5
ok just be sure, i will look around my office now i will write ony things nearest me now... so its : keyboeard,monitor,speakers,mouse, frame to picture,my mobile, whole pack of pens, my shoose o_O, pack of 50 clean cd ,prolly 3/4 parts inside pc, like main procsor,ram,graphic card,sound card etc... ventilator...

ur work force is cheaptest in the planet, that why economic in last yr grow up in china... and maby 3/4 is to big value, but with 100% sure i can say that 50% products selling in poland got parts or are made in china... about quality to be honest its not the best...

btw there is alot small companys in poland that export containers from china to Gdynia then transported with tirs to bonded warehouse in all over the poland... they then sell it to biger markets in poland, like macro,tesco etc... if u will buy whole container of chepteas shoose in china + cost of getting it to gdynia then to ur city+ all things that u need to pay to goverment, u can still sell those boots for around 5-6 zł(1-1,5 euro) to some market they will put next tax on it + their own fee froms elling and then bah u can buy those boots in polish market for around 20 zl(around 5 euro) , if someone have any second thoughts about this, go to any polish market look at prices of that products...
jwojcie 2 | 763  
12 Jun 2009 /  #6
I have to upset you, but in general poles don't think much about China, except that most people are aware that vast amount of staff is imported from China. There is a quality problem with it but it seems to me that it is changing for the better fast. Of course there was the summer Olympic lately but besides stadiums it wasn't about China, beside people care less and less about Olympic because of doping, but it is another story. My personal felling is that China should promote more with some cultural events, thing like "China cultural year" in Poland could be useful.
chinczyk - | 32  
13 Jun 2009 /  #7
jwojcie

...anyway,thank you for your sincere advice
Ironside 49 | 10,204  
13 Jun 2009 /  #8
So how Polish think about China? chinese people?chinese culture?or chinese products?

Some hot chick in China ))))))
chinczyk - | 32  
14 Jun 2009 /  #9
hahaha,funny,buddy
if you ask us how we think about Poland.
then our answer coming back to you is:some hot chicks in Poland:P
esek 2 | 228  
14 Jun 2009 /  #10
maybe you two should arrange some exchange :DDD
OP christy1991 4 | 37  
15 Jun 2009 /  #11
I don't like chinese hot chick at all.i always think chinese classical and traditional girls are most beautiful,gentle and quiet,maidenlike......like one poem described as follows:

The gentleness of you at the time you lower your head is as charming as lotus rising out of water.

But the cultures are so much different between foreign countries and China,you possibly can't agree and realize this beauty!
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
15 Jun 2009 /  #12
So how Polish think about China?

Not much but If they do then It's rather positive...
1jola 14 | 1,879  
16 Jun 2009 /  #13
Ni how,

Polish view, here it comes. I thought China was a dreary place, communist, bicycles, uniforms, etc. Two years ago, I took a train from Warsaw to Beijing. Shock on arrival. Fantastic city. Clean, modern, very safe, no drunks, honest taxi drivers(70,000 taxis in Beijing), excellent subway, polite people, and food beyond description. I could go on only in superlatives. Then I went last year, and am going again this year in September.

If you ever decide to go, bring a large suitcase and put your toothbrush in it, that's all you will need. If you need a suit made, or a silk dress for ladies just bring a picture from a fashion magazine, you will have one in two days and you will be looking like James Bond in no time.

One of he most fantastic things I saw were the Chinese acrobats. I can never look at the Olympic gymnasts the same way again; they seem so stiff now.

Another thing. No tattoos, piercings, women with the most beautiful hair and skin, I think they get wrinkles when they turn 90, and then they are in excellent condition anyway.

Since I'm rambling, I will mention watching the Paraolympics last year, ticket - about 5 dollars.
Switek - | 59  
16 Jun 2009 /  #14
I really do not know what Poland thinks about China and Chinese...

My personal view about Current China and Chinese is quite ambiguous...

I really like and admire:

Chinese culture, esp those pr revolutionary period. I like Chinese food, people, landscapes and some really nice places.

I hate:

1. Internal policy conducted by CCP toward minorities and its own people
2. Forcible industrialization which enslaves, in fact, millions of low paid workers, working in horrible conditions comparable to 19th century Europe.
3. Chinese, narrow minded Han nationalism and their hate toward their neighbors...
4. Chinese products, cheap copies of western goods, what makes that China is loosing its unique identity..
frd 7 | 1,399  
16 Jun 2009 /  #15
I think lots of people from Poland, especially from smaller cities and from the countryside, are pretty ignorant about Asians, they don't see any difference between, for instance, Chinese and Japanese culture. On a global/political level they feel reluctant to China for some events such as those that are happening in Tibet. And because there's still a lot of hatred in here towards the communism, we are pretty biased about Chinese goverment, especially when we hear about jailing of some political opponents, or internet restrictions every now and then. Not mentioning the past..

As somebody mentioned above, China is a well known source of cheap copies of western products, also fake ones. Sometimes this sentence " made in China " is used as an insult, when you call your friends goods like that, which you think are of poor quality. There's also slight fear after recent cases of poisoned milk or kitchen tools imported to Poland.

Beside that, Chinese culture connected tightly to Chinese rich history is really admired, if somebody makes the attemp to read something about it, or visit China. In newspapers China is usually praised for its economic strategies that make it an Asian Tiger in these times of economic crisis. It's kind of sad that only Japan found better ways to propagate it's culture through channels such as manga or anime in Poland, China doesn't seem to have these kind of tools at it's disposal.
Switek - | 59  
16 Jun 2009 /  #16
I think lots of people from Poland, especially from smaller cities and from the countryside, are pretty ignorant about Asians, they don't see any difference between, for instance, Chinese and Japanese culture.

Err... what? Arrogance and ignorance isn't limited to inhabitants of small cities and rural areas.

On a global/political level they feel reluctant to China for some events such as those that are happening in Tibet. And because there's still a lot of hatred in here towards the communism, we are pretty biased about Chinese goverment, especially when we hear about jailing of some political opponents, or internet restrictions every now and then. Not mentioning the past..

CCP and Chinese government performance on minorities issue deserves in worldwide condemn. Tibet is only the most known example.

As somebody mentioned above, China is a well known source of cheap copies of western products, also fake ones. Sometimes this sentence " made in China " is used as an insult, when you call your friends goods like that, which you think are of poor quality. There's also slight fear after recent cases of poisoned milk or kitchen tools imported to Poland.

Quoted for the truth

Beside that, Chinese culture connected tightly to Chinese rich history is really admired, if somebody makes the attemp to read something about it, or visit China. In newspapers China is usually praised for its economic strategies that make it an Asian Tiger in these times of economic crisis.

Chinese culture is one of world's perils. The sad fact is that only part of it is protected.

It's kind of sad that only Japan found better ways to propagate it's culture through channels such as manga or anime in Poland, China doesn't seem to have these kind of tools at it's disposal.

Japan hasn't lost its identity under US occupation and rapid industrial development and modernization after WW2. The problem with China and Chinese is they want be like everybody else.
chinczyk - | 32  
20 Jun 2009 /  #17
After seeing your comments on China,I feel like saying something again
first of all,thank you for your comments,I do believe these comments are really your innermost thoughts and feelings.
second,I have to say that some of your viewpoints about China are partial and a little biased or even go against the reality.I can't,because that I am chinese and I adore my country,disguise our mistakes and faults,that's good for nobody and makes no sense.meanwhile,I can't,because I adore Polska,leave you going on having prejudices against China.

I have to admitt that your viewpoints about our products are objective and candid and I am very sorry that they have already caused such bad impressions,sometimes even we complain about our own products,the most serious problems about them are piracy and low-quality.however,another thing I can assure you is that not all Chinese products are of low-quality,that is beyond dispute.what is more,the government is waging campaigns to solve quality problems.it is good news for you to know no matter these campaigns are effective or not.

And your comments on our protecting work of Chinese cultures are acceptable too.we do need to make more efforts in this area.no people want to see a China losing all its cultural characteristics.

What makes me not know whether to cry or to laugh is your comments on CCP’s policies surrounding minorities,specifically,Tibet.
Here I cite Switek’s words as an example:

CCP and Chinese government performance on minorities issue deserves in worldwide condemn. Tibet is only the most known example.

well,my friend,From your words I can infer and I believe my inference is right----your knowledge about China is merely gained from your media or some of your anti-china politicians.sometimes,I go to the library of my school,there I can read western magazines and newpapers like newsweek,business week,or newyork times.one thing I have to admire them is that most time they have touched the problem,however,most time they are good at exaggerating and fabricating(sorry to use such a harsh word,but that is fact).and you know all media are alike ,they like creating sensational news and spreading some ugly little hints even at the expense of distorting facts.considering this,I won’t cite what our media or our government has told us to prove that you are totally wrong on this issue.i just tell you my own experience.

I am a student in a school for natianalities,fortunately I can meet many friends from minority groups,they never enjoy less rights than we han chinese,they even have some special rights,like my two roomates,a hui chinese and a yi chinese,they have priotities in the right to education,but we Han chinese do not have(for an intelligible instance,if that yi chinese and I both go to peking univeristy,I need to score 660 in order to get the admission,and he only needs to score 620) .another example,we han chinese maybe halted and interrogated by the police just because we carried a slice.those tibetans are allowed to sell various kinds of knifes with blood grooves on the most bustling streets in every part of China.in picking delegates attending important meetings,only very excellent han chinese can be elected delegates,but about those people from ethinic groups can gain that honor easily.as regards those basic human rights like voting, I just can’t stop laughing,don’t you think it is a little naive to believe that ethinic groups in China do not have such basic human rights? As the saying goes,seeing is believing,my friends,we welcome you come to China and travel here,to see who is telling lies,your media ,your politicians or your Chinese friends.Chinese people do not have human rights? CCP persecutes ethnic groups like tibetans? Not as you have expected!

About our attitude toward our neighbors,neighbors here you must mean Taiwan and Japan,Japan is our neighbor,no doubt,but Taiwan is not,I guess most of you here don’t support CCP at all for various reasons,but some of you may support Chiang kai shiek and KMT,but you know even they don’t want to see a separated China.Chiang kai shiek never has thought of separating China,he just don’t admitt CCP and PRC,but he always sticked by the principle of One China,most KMT members by and large agree with chiang kai shek too.I can remember a founding member of KMT,Yu Youren’s poem to express his grief over national division when he was dying in Taiwan,which goes:

Burying me on the highest mountaintop so that I can get a sight of my mainland.
Mainland I see none,
Tears of sorrow cascade
Buring me on the highest mountaintop so that I can get a glimpse of my hometown
Hometown I see none
But lives forever in my mind
The lofty sky is deeply blue
The vast wildness not seen through
Oh,boundless universe,would you hear me and this elergy of the nation
I believe this poem strikes a cord on the sentiment of all the Chinese people.Taiwan, from any perspective is one part of China,no matter it is ROC or PRC,it is our indivisible part.A unified China is good for both China itself or the whole world.Poland in her history she has never experienced the sufferings of being separated,I can understand why you held different ideas about the unity of one country,but for Germany ,for the US,for all those countries who have experienced that kind of agony,why you fought undormitably and unswerwingly when your countries are threatened by separationism whereas thwarting our unification,sadly I can only say this is of a sense of prejudice and maybe one kind of unspeakable hostility against China.however,nomatter you like it or dislike it,China is goning to be unified.

About Japan,our neighbor which separated by just a strip of water,most of us hope to enhance the relations between Japan and China,but there should be a precondition,that is Japan should take history as a mirror,Japan should give an official apology to China and all Asian people including Koreans Mogolians,Thais,Malays,Filipinos,Indonesians….for what Japanese Imperiel army had done to us.I admitt some of us have been a little impatienton this issue,but sometimes if you are a human-being you can’t suppress your anger toward what they did or what their right-wing politicians are doing.I think Polish people can understand this kind of sentiment,because we have similar experiences in WW2.here I just give you one example ,and I think this example is enough to address our sentiment toward Japan right-wing politicians and their so called imperial army.what a Japan right-wing politician,Shintaro Ishihara, has said:”those comfort women should feel honored to have ever served Japanese soldiers.”OHHH,have you ever heard more outrageous words like these?

Last,I want to say something relaxing,about jola’s words,about his remarks on Chinese women’s skin,they do get wrinkles,man:D,and may you enjoy your trip to China again:))))
PennBoy 76 | 2,437  
20 Jun 2009 /  #18
So how Polish think about China? chinese people?chinese culture?or chinese products?

We think you're ambitious, hard working, smart people, also quiet and polite, at least most of you are that way.
gumishu 11 | 5,148  
20 Jun 2009 /  #19
China is a big mildly totalitarian state in the middle of Asian continent that invaded Tibet somewhere in the 50's and will start a mission to the Moon God only knows what for

aaa and hhmmm China is strange in many ways ;) eating rice with stick - dear God ;)

oh and there are so many Chinese people there who say Amelika instead of America ;)

oh and there is hardly any religious freedom there
Babylon 16 | 192  
21 Jun 2009 /  #20
I think that China is a great place to development. I know that there is over bilion speakers of your native country.
michal_857 2 | 17  
21 Jun 2009 /  #22
On a global/political level they feel reluctant to China for some events such as those that are happening in Tibet.

Let look at Tibet from the other point of view:

michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html
Switek - | 59  
21 Jun 2009 /  #23
well,my friend,From your words I can infer and I believe my inference is right----your knowledge about China is merely gained from your media or some of your anti-china politicians.

Well, I do see a difference between some Chinese who are open minded and are real individuals with independent opinions about internal and international issues.

What doesn't change the fact that CCP has never gained a legal, mandate from free, open elections, and represents, in fact, nationalistic Han ideology. I know what I'm talking about. And, please do not make prejudged and wrong assumptions.
OP christy1991 4 | 37  
22 Jun 2009 /  #24
Thanks for all of your comments,from them,we can see a different motherland!i agree with chinczyk,he didn't exaggerate,didn't tell any lies,what he described is an authentic China.each country has its own distinctive national conditions,so its goverment will take relevant policies,undeniable,our government also has lapse,flaw,imperfect even corruption,but it's main goal is for all the people's happiness and peac!!!

So everyone can comment on China,criticize China,but please insult China,because however mother poor,less developed,it doesn't influence all the chinese love her!



1jola 14 | 1,879  
24 Jun 2009 /  #25
Poland in her history she has never experienced the sufferings of being separated,

Partitions by Germany, Russia, and Austria come to mind so spare us the agony of Germany and the US.

Last,I want to say something relaxing,about jola’s words,about his remarks on Chinese women’s skin,they do get wrinkles,man:D,and may you enjoy your trip to China again:))))

Ok, but I'm betting my money on the Chinese 70 year-old woman against a European one in a 100 m sprint. A question: I noticed elderly women wear gold earings of the same type. What is significant about it? Is it when they become grandmothers? I know China is big and made up of many groups so this custom may not be universal. Any idea?
OP christy1991 4 | 37  
24 Jun 2009 /  #26
chinczyk:
Poland in her history she has never experienced the sufferings of being separated,

No,Poland was carved up by Prussia,Tsar Russia and Austria for 3 times:

(1)in 1772,basing on the treatypact signed by above three countries in Petersburg,Poland lost 35% territory and 33% population.
(2)in 1793,because of the second treaty,poland became a small country with 200,000 sq.km and 4000,000 population.
(3)in 1795,the third treaty made Poland destroyed,and since this time,Poland disappeared from European map for long about 123 years.
Until October of 1918,poland got independent again.

Also during world war 2,Poland was occupied by Geman Nazi till 1944,when new Poland was founded.

From Polish history,we can see polish people are brave,tough nationality,it isn't easy for them to get today's peace and prosperity.

I noticed elderly women wear gold earings of the same type.

i don't think it has special meaning.in China,when a girl will be married,her mother or her husband's mother will give she some jewelry as present,hoping these jewelry could bring good luck to bride,the jewelry maybe bought newly,or handed down from their ancestors.

because of the age,the design isn't popular or stop in certain period.

So i think those old women you saw in China,because they have similar age,then their jewelry are the same style.

In China,people like to buy gold jewelry for children and old people,for children,generally longevity lock (one necklace made by gold or silver),it is the elderships wish their kid can grow up restfully.for old women,their children like buy earbob,bracelet and ring for them,this is one of the ways to respect mother,because in China,women give birth and bring up the children,and do housework for whole life,when the children grow up,they become older and older,all the young people hope their father and mother can live longer and keep healthy.

Of course,maybe in special places of China,there is certain custom to adorn same jewelry,but i think it is interrelated with good luck and best wishes of good health and a long life.i think so!


  • gold longevity lock for children

  • silver longevity lock for children

  • earbob for elder

  • ring for elder
chinczyk - | 32  
24 Jun 2009 /  #27
Partitions by Germany, Russia, and Austria come to mind so spare us the agony of Germany and the US

No,Poland was carved up by Prussia,Tsar Russia and Austria for 3 times:

well,I do know this sad history and i am sorry about it.but maybe we misunderstand each other's meaning,i mean "separate" here by the territorial division as a result of the conflicts between different political forces from within one country.

and the partitions of Poland were due to foreign invasions,i took it as another concept:P

I noticed elderly women wear gold earings of the same type. What is significant about it? Is it when they become grandmothers? I know China is big and made up of many groups so this custom may not be universal. Any idea?

sorry i don't know much about this custom,but I think christy has given you a good explanation;)

polish people are brave,tough

I do agree

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