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What needs to happen in the world so that Poland and Russia form alliance? [297]
I'll accept that I am lumping all the northern crusades into one, which is perhaps not technically a correct thing to do. However, Crow seems to have little idea about the existence of a Prussia before it being a Slavic/Germanic region. he asked me to explain what I meant, so I explained (briefly and in little detail, I admit).
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OK, my history is a bit leery there. Wasn't he actually a Duke?
Mieszko I had also tried to extand his lands in Prussia and then Boleslaw I sent missionaries, so they were already trying to christianise them. Why?
Crusade had also been some years preached BEFORE the Teutons were invited
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Crusade
Still, it was a Polish leader who invited them. Yes, it was because they kept attacking Duchies but might that not also be because they felt they were being encroached upon? The German Order were obviously allowed to go there under the idea of Christianising the Prussians (the Lithuanians came later, being the last pagan land in Europe).
Just Prussians
Crow seemed not to know about Old Prussians.
Russia never crusaded either so i'm sorry while Slavs did conquer like everyone else unlike everyone else they were fairly tolerant when it comes to religion
I didn't say they did crusade (although I accept I may have given that idea) but certainly 19thC Russia was NOT that tolerant (under Nick 1) and suppressed other Christian churches as well as Jews
And thats what happens when buggersou post on the internet, i'm not insulting you, i'm just outlining that being uneducated you make a fool of yourself by making up little stories.
OK, firstly you ARE insulting me (and if you think being called a troglodyte isn't insulting, let me say it to your mother).
Secondly, I am not "making up" the story. The friend was a colleague of mine when I was working in the University of Skopje and told me the story at the time. He later went on to teach history in the university of Sofia and do a lot of serious research in the area. he was deliberately being antagonistic to the professor because of the political situation between Greece and Rep of Macedonia at the time (not as rosy as Crow's Greek/Serbian relationship).
The Macedonians claim C&M as being Slavs, specifically, Macedonians. The irony being that they were sent by the Greek church and modern greece is not exactly a friend of Rep of M. I suspect Crow got that point better than you might have.
there's other reasons for them being incredible heroes for the Slavs
Agreed, but that wasn't the point he was making.
Rubbish, Polish culture up untill XVI century was a mix of west, east and turkish influences, Poland was for most of its existence a central power completely different from both West and East, you could find people wearing German fashion, Polish clothes, Hungarian clothes, Russian ones, Poland was an extremely mixed state.
Agreed. I have read too much patriotic Polish literature. I should have said "from 19th C".
I was just trying to persuade Crow of the problems with his idea of a Pan-Slavic dream. Similar to the type of drivel i hear about Pan-Celtic dreams (being part Scottish, I hear it a bit).
Now, as for all your other vitriolic bile, I suggest you go and take a little something for it... perhaps being Sokrates you could do with a dose of hemlock.
