Drang nach Osten.

Interesting presentation of German expansionism throughout centuries
Don't cry Würstel (BB) you are not alone:

In Westpreussen sitzt, eine trauernde Magd
Am Ufer der Weichsel und weint.
MEIN GRAUDENZ, MEIN DIRSCHAU, MEIN DANZIG O SAG!
WANN WERDEN WIR WIEDER VEREINT?

After WW II, Poland was in no position to demand former territories, "taken", purloined, what have you, by the Nazis, as it to ad suffered tremendous losses. The German Empire of Karl The Great, extended far into what is today the Baltic States, small wonder. The "Drang nach Osten" goes back to the time of the German Crusaders, during the Middle Ages.

Today, seventeen years or so following German reunification, Poland is still demanding from a reuinted Germany that certain former occupied areas be "returned" to Poland, furthermore, that German school books kindly NOT refer to Gdańsk, Bydgoszcz, Olsztyn, Szczecin etc. as Danzig, Bromberg, Allenstein and Stettin-:)

Just my two euros worth on this most controversial of threads.

Well...what about polish "Drang nach Westen"???
The whole of today Germany/Poland was once the realm of germanic tribes. Now look at the history...you came and came and shoved and pushed and came and shoved and pushed!

Germans were only taking back what belongs to them!

Just my two cents to that so not controversial thread....there are undeniable facts that WE WERE HERE FIRST!


Erm....and which ones??? I never heard of that....


Why not?
First the english refer to Nürnberg as Nuremburg for example but most importantly no germanic tongue survives a "Bydgoszcz", a "Olsztyn", or a "Szczecin"!

...and anyway...now everybody can go and live where he wants. Isn't the EU just great? :)

*leaves thread bored*

PS:


There is no need to cry anymore....:):):)

Kind of. It wasn't, then it was, then it wasn't. When (if ever) did people stop being tribes?


It's a shame really because I quite like the smiley-face umlaut ü. My computer never turns it into one of those hideous yellow "emoticons".

Is Londyn the same place as Llundain?

well BB, time to head North then, not East.

Germanic haplogroupS (the darker the more Germanic):

This is where Germanic tribes were located in the Bronze age:



Theories about the origin of Slavs: The location of the speakers of pre-Proto-Slavic and Proto-Slavic is subject to considerable debate. Serious candidates are cultures on the territories of modern Belarus, Poland, European Russia and Ukraine.

If anybody pushed anybody that was Germans pushing Slavs.:)

"If anybody pushed anybody, that was Germans pushing Slavs.:)"

Darius's absolutely correct, at least if you go by the historical sources, and not Slavic ones either, but German texts too which tell of the need, practically the 'Manifest Destiny' of the Germanic peoples, to conquer the Slavic, i.e. non-German, but soon to become German, lands. A good analogy might be the US white settlers during the early years of the American Republic, believing the fate to conquer was theirs over the territory of the Native Americans and pushing back the as yet non-existant frontiers until all Indian Territory belonged to the United States.

Whilst certain stories of German barbarism have been know to be exaggerated, e.g. the supposedly documented bayonetting of Belgian babies during WW I, Eisenstein's "Alexander Nevsky" (1938) does document accurately the atrocities of the Germanic Knights in Livonia during their conquests to claim Russian land, consigning the infants of local landowners to the flames, amid setting fire to the surrouding inhabited areas.

Germans never dominated Poznań. They have lost in trade war. They were bought out or polonisated. Bamber ( polonisated german settler) means savage in our dialect.

Now when we are part of EU we can make economical expansion in eastern Germany.

The Teutons may never have 'dominated' Poznań, however, practically every major (and even some minor) Polish cities or towns still bear historical German place names given them by their supposed 'conquerors', e.g. "Poznań" = Posen etc.....

By conquerors, I mean of course trading partners, who nonethless were the dominant players at the time, roughly around the Vasa period during the sovereignty of the Hanseatic League.

And we call Munich - Monachium Rome - Rzym, Paris - Paryż, London - Londyn.

So what ?

Poznan has beautiful history. I don't know why you talk about Teutons I am talking about 19 and 20 century.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulturkampf


One Polish town against economic power of whole German empire and Polish Poznań bought them out.

In 1918 Poles made uprise and joined Poland.

I hear on the grapevine the Austrians want Holland back. It would certainly give kaffee und kuchen a new dimension. :)

Holland is lost...such a mud of foreigners now, who would want it back!


And??? What's your beef with that?
The german names are much nicer than the polish ones...just compare the nice sounding "Breslau" to the polish "Wrotzwaw"...puleeeze!

:)

Krakow sounds better than Krakau.

There isn't much difference phonetically....

or kielbasa. kielbasa sounds much more tastey than bratwurst. bratwurst is a good name for some kind of military heavy equipment [:

Poznan vs Posen:Not much difference in sound
Stettin vs Sczeczyn:I prefer Stettin,it sounds more elegant
Danzig vs Gdansk:Danzig sounds like good old,Gdansk sounds modern,vibrant
Eilau vs Ilawa:Ilawa.Much more feminine
Klodzko vs Glatz:Both sound terrible.Klodzko sounds more bulgarian.
Olsztyn vs Oldenburg:I prefer Olsztyn.much more exotic.
Gliwice vs Gleiwitz:Gleiwitz sounds funny.
Berlin vs Barlin:Barlin reveals more of the character of the city.Berlin does not sound german.
Munchen vs Mnichov:Mnichov sounds like another small slavic town,nobody heard of.

Mnichov is the Czech name. The Polish for Munchen is Monachium. I prefer the sound of Monachium ;-)

...and MY Bratwurst is the best! :):):)


"Monachium" is polish??? Are you sure? Sounds latin to me...

Hehhe... Even the word for friendship, freundschaft, sounds like some vicious military organization. ;)

Oh pleaaaseee...you are just obsessed with military Germany!
And it isn't a tongue breaker like "Przyjaźń"! How do you get that out of your mouth???

You definitely need more vowels...

sounds painful if you ask me ;-)


Prove it! We only have your word for that... :)

(Im actually quite partial to a bit of german sausage - only a few weeks before the xmas market arrives :) )


I've already told you It's only because of the uniforms! ;-)

Here! *waves Bratwurst at Shelley* See?

:):):)

Achtung achtung! I kid I kid, I joke I joke! :)


Hehehe... I think the same about Montenegroes, Serbs et all. Crna Gora, Srbija... hehhee

phrrrooor lovely sausage!! :)

You know Im glad that I live on an Island, whilst we have been plundered and whatnot in the past, Im sooooooooooo glad that we never have to argue about boarders :)

Yeah, they can be really irritating neighbors at times. ;)

Can you imagine the UK being renamed Zjednoczone Królestwo and being overrun with cabbage farms? Oh the horror.

And Czechs...
Lepší jeden prd než deset doktorů... Sorry for my two kopeykas. Keep going guys you're doing fine. :)

I can imagine :)


We're surrounded by water so it helps to keep the riff raff out :)

glad that we never have to argue about boarders

It's more stowaways that get us going. :)

I guess all the militant Muslims and families of immigrants living in peoples' attics are good swimmers. ;)

Good point - maybe we need some sharks for them there waters!


:) (Hi Hueg - how's going chicken?)