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Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,072  
30 Jun 2009 /  #61
Manno Sokrates, don't you get tired of this neverending rehearsing and "my d*ick is bigger than your d*ick? Does that have ANY effects on our present or future??? Do you want to end like Crow?

Why can't we share these lands and history?

...if everything of note was built by us Poles.

:):):)

I think I will ignore you from now on...if you don't I for sure are getting tired of this!
Amuse yourself alone...

Ain't gonna cut it. The natives have black socks. Very chic.

Interesting!
Should send a kurier to the HQ with the update....:)
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
30 Jun 2009 /  #62
Does that have ANY effects on our present or future???

Does history affect future? Is that a rhetorical question?
Ksysia 25 | 430  
24 Aug 2009 /  #63
Why can't we share these lands and history?

Of course we can share the lands, as we always have. That's what the problem with ancient tribes on the maps is. We were always neighbours, village to village. With Celts, Avars, Sarmathians, and whoever fancied passing through the forests that have no natural borders. That's what this land was - forest, forest, more forest, a tiny settlement, a wooden keep, a mud road, more forest. There were Slavonic settlements around Berlin and Germanic settlements as far as Russia.

Even the genetic make up proves that, and just look at the Haplogroup R1a spread. We interbreed. Half of Germany are half-Slavonic?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Distribution_Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.svg

Looking at the Germanic distribution above - are Poles half Germanic?

At any rate, Poland and German Countries had shared a long period of peace in our history. Wettin kings, German citizens in towns, Gdańsk loyal to our king, normal dinner (meat with veg and a staple, as opposed to the celebratory bigos and dumplings), strucla, miodownik, etc. It's the Prussia that we have been in the fiercest conflict with, and it's a crying shame that Jogaiła had not incorporated them, made Hohenzollerns marry Polish princesses and so on.

The same as with Moscow willing to take Prince Władysław as their tzar, but the idiot Swede Sigmund Vasa had not allowed it. (Sorry, I don't like him)

I think personally that German Countries were a more cheerful place to live in, up until the Prussians united Germany and currently occupy them. Making the life sad for Bavarians (not that Bavarians give up on their culture)

I have a Great-Grandfather named Sprinz to prove this peaceful neighbouring.

The problems of the XIX and XX centuries concerned the development of nations as opposed to royal subjects. It's a thing that happened, so now I am Polish rather than King's subject. Sadly but naturally, the frictions while creating the national community included chauvinism, with all the dire consequences.

I suppose that chauvinism is not bringing any military success these days, now that the Japanese had constructed a mech warrior. It will die out, I hope, it makes life hard.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
24 Aug 2009 /  #64
Didnt notice its thread necromancy - edited.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,072  
24 Aug 2009 /  #65
I think personally that German Countries were a more cheerful place to live in, up until the Prussians united Germany and currently occupy them.

Do you mean before the thirty years war ravaged our lands or afterwards....

Prussia stopped other armies marching over our lands and destroying our peoples (they did the marching later themselves).

Oh well..another polish Prussia-basher.
It must be inbred in you!

A Prussia-fan boy
Ksysia 25 | 430  
24 Aug 2009 /  #66
Oh well..another polish Prussia-basher.
It must be inbred in you!

Gosh, I was trying to be understanding towards Germany. You just like to annoy us, do ya?

You have really bad brandy. There, I said it. Made u feel better?

<more annoyed mutterings while throwing away German mayonnaise from the fridge>
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,072  
24 Aug 2009 /  #67
<more annoyed mutterings while throwing away German mayonnaise from the fridge>

Hey.....not the mayo....*runs after mayo*

But you must really stop seeing Prussia as only black in a black/white picture.
(But maybe for Poles it is so)
But for many Germans it just isn't...surely the unification and building up a strong Germany was not a great thing for Poland but for most Germans it was...it's all a matter of perspective.

Be the hammer or the anvil, you know?
Your "cute little german lands" had been for centuries the battlefield and the slaughterhouse of stronger, agressive, bigger nations (and between themselves).
Prussia's rise put a stop to it!
Ksysia 25 | 430  
24 Aug 2009 /  #68
Yes, BB, I know. Count Bismarck had done you good. The same as the Great Russia, Catherine and Peter the Greats, all had been good for Russians, not so for Poland. So I am personally against, but I understand that you are pro.

Looking back at history all the Prussia misfortune would not have happened if Duke Konrad had not invited the OT, or the Lituanian king Jogaiła had made the Hohenzollern family marry his cousins. Bloody Hohenzollerns. Then it would be down to the endless wars for Brandenburg and sex with Sachsen. Bliss.
Crow 160 | 10,261  
24 Aug 2009 /  #69
Bratwurst Boy

nice map of Proto Slavic distrubution in central Europe, in time BC

thank you
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,072  
24 Aug 2009 /  #70
So it is rather "Drang nach Westen" for the Slavs?
Do you want to say that???
Yeah...we poor Germanics....
Ksysia 25 | 430  
24 Aug 2009 /  #71
No, we are peaceful farmers.
Ironside 51 | 11,337  
24 Aug 2009 /  #72
Speak for yourself

A Prussia-fan boy

I knew it!
Pervert Prussian ........fan-boy you say, hmm......well, they should call you PP:)
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,072  
24 Aug 2009 /  #73
well, they should call you PP:)

Neh....that would be Plastic Pole already...she won't give it up now...
1jola 14 | 1,879  
24 Aug 2009 /  #74
The plastic pole thing. In all my life I have never heard of such a term till here on PF. It is unknown in Poland. Have Poles on emigration devised a derogatory term for themselves?
Ksysia 25 | 430  
24 Aug 2009 /  #75
Speak for yourself

What, have you never heard about poor German peaceful farmers who were pestered with those Roman legions and as soon as they got some peace, Slavs came in?
Ironside 51 | 11,337  
24 Aug 2009 /  #76
Neh....that would be Plastic Pole already...she won't give it up now...

Well, tell me what an Prussian fan-boy is doing with his fan?

The plastic pole thing. In all my life I have never heard of such a term till here on PF. It is unknown in Poland. Have Poles on emigration devised a derogatory term for themselves?

I think is a term devised for Americans of Polish origin - plastic as fake Poles ?!
Well, you should ask Plastic Pole about it .
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,072  
24 Aug 2009 /  #77
Well, tell me what an Prussian fan-boy is doing with his fan?

Okaaaay....is "Bismarck groupie" better???
Trevek 26 | 1,702  
26 Aug 2009 /  #79
Olsztyn vs Oldenburg:I prefer Olsztyn.much more exotic.

Allenstein, bitte schoen.

The League of Nations already ran a vote on which name was most popular at the time...

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