History / Sarmatia Europe - Could it be political reality? [183]


I wouldn't personally care who they are in terms of national background. They're occupants.


They became the majority in the past century mostly in Tito's times. In fact they have nothing to do with a Kosmet.


Rock was that Turkish "european" essence?

History / Sarmatia Europe - Could it be political reality? [183]


It's just shouldn't have happened.


But you're right, that happenned by force, thus the only way to get back I think use force as well. There's one good Russian saying "protiv loma net priema, esli net drugogo loma". Can be literally rendered as: "there's no school against a crow-bar, unless you have another crow-bar". In other words "might makes right" how tremendously civilized Europe and the USA teach us.


Not that easy. Visual prosperity of the former Jugo were based on the permanent oppressing of the majority nation which doesn't work in a long perspective. Thinking that most of Serbs deify Tito is at least wrong. Tito was a very mixed-blessing figure on Balkans.


I like Germany and your culture, your heritage however German political top worked at the ground zero of Jugoslavia disintegration. All the ethnic conflicts in the territory were artificially inspired, well-planned and funded. Serbs unfortunatelly played a role of the scapegoat (as if it's their guilt in everything that has happenned there which is a blatant lie for ignorant, uneducated, plain people).

History / Sarmatia Europe - Could it be political reality? [183]


What was that? Just to keep me informed... Live and learn how dedushka Lenin said.


That's what I was actually saying. I hope you understand that "civilized" is in inverted commas. This step of Germany frustrated me... ;(


That was an amazing argument. Calm down, buddy... I'm your friend, won't hurt you.


You're right in that Jugo united pretty different folks but don't forget that most of atrocities kept fresh in one's memory occured in 90th. Germany as well as the US didn't surely need strong Slavic formation which Jugo was, that could potentially ally with your straight geostrategical enemy (I mean my country).

Sh!t happens, BB. You don't have to defend your politicians. Lie is their profession. Meanwhile every formation in this world studies its own interests which can be different than that yours.


Please spare me these childiish thoughts. Modern media-tools can make tomorrow hostile the one, who you bore fraternal feelings to yesterday.

History / Sarmatia Europe - Could it be political reality? [183]


I thought I emphasized that I hadn't shifted the blame upon Germans. Would you like me to say that again?


Crow is considered wise bird in Russia.

UPD:


Jugoslavian and particularly Serbian guilt is another story. I've never told they are pure angels or something. Genetically Serbs and Dinarics on the whole are very "explosive" nation.

History / Sarmatia Europe - Could it be political reality? [183]


As for the US, I may say they as an obvious evil Empire kept up German initiative, mostly funded it and has done 90% of all dirty work (including bombing and other "peace", "democratic" and "civilized" actions).

History / Sarmatia Europe - Could it be political reality? [183]

I'm glad you liked it.


I didn't argue that. We're discussing post-Tito's events ended up with numerous casualties. From my perspective they were mostly inspired from outside rather than from inside by Serbian political acme. Also I don't think it's done any good to any of former-Jugo country. What's the result? Bunch of miserable, poor, dependent countries begging on the threshold of Europe? :) Too bad to admit... but that's how it is.

History / Sarmatia Europe - Could it be political reality? [183]


It' an argueable statement. However with no Western contribution it could have been less bloody for sure and of course getting back to our initial issue Kosmet stayed Serbian as it's supposed to be.


Dependent. That's how I put it. Nowadays people's opinion all over the world means less than it used to be some time ago and things are only getting worse. At present there's no need for the government of some certain country to follow its people's will, the much better way is to covince them using media resources that they actually need what government wants. This influence, the permanent increasing impact of from outside one has to experience at any time. Hence there's no wonder for me that most of people in Europe (and in Russia also) think that things are the best the way they are at the moment.

History / Sarmatia Europe - Could it be political reality? [183]


The point is right here:


Western payroll has kept this region in a state of endless war.


Rock, I've recently heard a statement from Lodz about "europeaness" of Turkey. Your sentence made in the offensive and unhewn manner is unlikely to look good together with the word "Europe" (considering the best sense that the word "Europe" can bear). Long story short: I think you were being rude and came up with not the best example of how conscious Turkish people could be.

History / Sarmatia Europe - Could it be political reality? [183]


BB, any PR-agent (if you have one among your friends) will tell how everything works right now. It's no longer a conspiracy theory or something professional bullsh!tting of people is more like a science, very well-paid science. If you don't take some basic things I am of none help to you.

Everybody wants to mean something, everyone wants to see his opinion taken into consideration. All the process of manipulation is based on this will. Every time they give you what you want... of course you don't want to think that you're able to change nothing... so you're actually almost done for them... they only need to do a slight move to finally prove you that Frau Merkel or Gospodin Putin is what you want. Of course majority thinks they have enough info to build a plausible opinion and they loooooove to hear and always ready to believe that the government on the neighborhood is vigorously bullsh!tted (unlike to them). Tra-ta-ta... how convenient... :)

I am really surprised to see you've got so superficial knowledge of that...


What a naive question? Of course not... Don't get me wrong. I don't want to boil everything down to the total guilt of the West and I don't want to raise new forms of victimhood ("german victimhood"). Take it easy. Everything has its West and East side. just there's permanent confrontation of some groups of people. The strongest takes everything. Don't forget "might gives a right"... You had a might and you divided Jugo. If Serbs once happen to have a might... they will probably cut your country or the US into pieces. Don't cry then... ok? :) And I assure you everything will be like "it was only german guilt"... in this case. "Pobediteli pishut istoriu". The winners write the history. Forget about the justice, in the world scale it has never existed and never will.

History / Sarmatia Europe - Could it be political reality? [183]


Well... frankly speaking your government would love to see Russia torn apart but the problem here is that you also need natural resources and Russian is not Serbia.


Exactly. They're not robot, they're also tired of war, people want to live, to have families even at the price of Kosmet. Yet many doesn't agree to exchange Kosovo for EU. I'm with the last ones... However I wouldn't blame them, if they chose first option. I don't have a right.


I'm just calling a spade a spade. Besides you didn't seem to comprehend my notion beforehand when I used other words.


You need neither all, nor forever. You bluntly need the majority. Everything can serve on purpose. If there's a need to show nude girls non-stop on TV to make the majority vote in necessary way they will show them no matter you like it or not. And you can't call them stupid for that, cause they're the majority thence they know it better. :) Isn't it stupid? If you want to know my point... I don't the idea of election everyone over 18 can take part in.

They don't need you forever either. There's always a moment when every kid realize Santa Klaus doesn't exist, at that moment one fairy-tale replaced by another, more plausible.


Well... as far as we talk about things like "Medvedev is a president of Russia" there's no room to make anything up, but in the reality things are more complicated and may be easily tweaked.


Some are of Eastern blame. :)


If he jumped out the opened window, would you follow them?

Love / How do the polish girls view the turkish guys ? [53]


Where did you learn what hachapuri was? :) Did you try it (let's put aside Georgian women for now), South?


That's like a strong grape wine (or it's better to put it "vodka").

You're guys seem to know a lot about caucasian food&drinks. :)

Love / How do the polish girls view the turkish guys ? [53]


I have. Were you one of them or you heard all that from anybody who'd happened to be there?

Love / How do the polish girls view the turkish guys ? [53]


We even have one georgian Greek among our oligarchs. Ivan Savvidi. Maybe you heard of him... :)

Rock, your closest relatives are Azerbaijanians who makes the largest crime family in Moscow and I'd definitely prefer to see there any Europeans instead of them causing most of crimes commited in Moscow.

Love / How do the polish girls view the turkish guys ? [53]


As long as one keeps himself within bounds of a decent behaviour, I am ok with him. Unspoken fact is that oriental minority causes the majority of all crimes...


So that it seems like it's not the exactly same for European nations. And I'm afraid it's not only about that you might have smelled differently.

Love / How do the polish girls view the turkish guys ? [53]


Sounds like a compliment iz tvoih ust... :)


Would be a point, if we cared.


I kinda love that. :)


Like what? Do a donkey without being bad-mouthed by a neighbour? :)

Love / How do the polish girls view the turkish guys ? [53]


I said that we did not care much about being "European", especially considering your criteria of "europeanness".
I didn't understand what you wanted to say by the video you posted. Your personal preference?


Heard of that too... :)

News / Lithuania, Poland Leaders Warn EU Against Russia Talks [33]


Perhaps they use it as the easiest way to get cheap popularity within Poland.

News / Lithuania, Poland Leaders Warn EU Against Russia Talks [33]


Well said. But still I don't understand why Polish Gov always puts obstacles on the Russian way...

News / Lithuania, Poland Leaders Warn EU Against Russia Talks [33]


That's what I thought.

News / What are the requirements to become Polish president ? [8]

Permanent disagreement with Russian policy no matter if policy is right or wrong.

History / Polish and Russian propaganda posters [18]

Honestly, I see antipolish russian posters first time in my life. Thanks. Good to know there're lots of antibolsheviks posters in Russia as well.

Genealogy / Need info on my Russianized/Ukrainianized last name. [25]


Moja Dorogaja, Polish names in Russia are "readone" the same way. If it's Pashkovska it's likely to be "Пашковская" (Pashkovskaja), if it's male gender Pashkovsky then it's likely to be Пашковский (Pashkovskiy). There's no really serious transformation.

History / UPA barbarian murders on Polish and Jewish neighbors during WW2 [150]

Well if Germany followed their example, they might have erected statue for Herr Hitler.

History / UPA barbarian murders on Polish and Jewish neighbors during WW2 [150]


It's informless on who banderovci were.


I'm not Russia. I can. Besides there're the truth or a lie regardless of who say it.

History / Why official Poland attacked Serbians in 1999? Was it worth? [49]


They were just used as another american (well... it's too easy to say "american".. in fact it's more complicated) tool. Where were Poles when there was a time to defend Serbs?


Be honest or GTFO of this thread. Your "enlightened" opinion is of none importance on Serbian issue. Better do football predictions. Oh... and sorry for being rude.

Genealogy / Krawczenko [6]


Sarah, this is Ukranian and Russian (in Russian it's mostly "Kravczov") last name. The base is "kravec", means "tailor" in old Russian.

Hope this helps,
Sasha

Genealogy / Krawczenko [6]

You're welcome :)

History / Famous Polish Russians. [26]


Prince, do you post there? Me don't but I read it occasionally.

History / Famous Polish Russians. [26]


Every time I run onto my name in this thread I feel like "hey guys... hope it's not about me this time..." :)


Don't be sad Filios. We've got better ones both in SP and in Moscow. :) Sasha Strunina seems to have artificial boobs which is no good.

News / Helena Wolinska dead [90]

Why wasn't she tried in England?