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Why official Poland attacked Serbians in 1999? Was it worth?


Crow 146 | 9,103  
26 Nov 2008 /  #1
Materials and Documents
msz.gov.pl/files/file_library/31/9905_313.doc

ADDRESS
by Mr. Aleksander Kwaśniewski
President of the Republic of Poland
at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute
Stockholm, 4th May, 1999


Poland expressed support for the airborne campaign waged against Yugoslavia.

few years later:

Lamberto Dini: ``US and Britain Had to Have a Military Base in Serbia. So They Attacked...``

Former Italian Foreign Minister Lamberto Dini recently admitted
de-construct.net/e-zine/?p=3527

It would not be right to separate the more general thinking on European security from reflections on the recent events in the Balkans. In the first days as a NATO member Poland presented its stand on ethnic cleansing, violation of basic human rights and the humanitarian disaster in Kosovo in conjunction with other member countries.

few years later:

Lamberto Dini: ``US and Britain Had to Have a Military Base in Serbia. So They Attacked...``

Former Italian Foreign Minister Lamberto Dini recently admitted
de-construct.net/e-zine/?p=3527

At the same time we support all the concepts, plans and activities which could end the bloodshed, reinstate elementary justice and ensure peaceful existence to all peoples and ethnic communities in the Balkan region.

few years later:

Lamberto Dini: ``US and Britain Had to Have a Military Base in Serbia. So They Attacked...``

Former Italian Foreign Minister Lamberto Dini recently admitted
de-construct.net/e-zine/?p=3527

NATO faces a complex choice. Should the member states' military power be used outside their territory to save the lives and rights of the Albanian minority in Kosovo? Are mass evacuations and bloody repression to be allowed and observed with indifference to which is occurring there? That is the dilemma we are facing as the present century, the century of the Holocaust, draws to a close. NATO's airborne attacks cannot be accepted with delight by anyone in his right senses, but was there any other way out when the authorities in Belgrade resisted all political persuasion?

few years later:

Lamberto Dini: ``US and Britain Had to Have a Military Base in Serbia. So They Attacked...``

Former Italian Foreign Minister Lamberto Dini recently admitted
de-construct.net/e-zine/?p=3527

The Poles remember well that it was once claimed not worth dying for Gdańsk. It soon turned out that it was not only that old Baltic port city that the European had to die for on the many fronts of the Second World War.

few years later:

Lamberto Dini: ``US and Britain Had to Have a Military Base in Serbia. So They Attacked...``

Former Italian Foreign Minister Lamberto Dini recently admitted
de-construct.net/e-zine/?p=3527Why Poland?

Why?

If Racowie didn`t gave you their best sons then nobody on this Earth didn`t give nothing to you

THEY lied on us Poles. Don`t trust to them, save your souls, don`t betray us... annul Kosovo recognition

I call all Polish patriots to understand that split of Serbian territory means that borders of Slavija had been violated!

Otpor! [Resistance!]
wildrover 98 | 4,451  
26 Nov 2008 /  #2
Serbs....doesn,t everybody want to bomb them.....?
Daisy 3 | 1,227  
26 Nov 2008 /  #3
That's a silly thing to say, My dentist is Serbian and he's lovely
OP Crow 146 | 9,103  
26 Nov 2008 /  #4
Serbs....doesn,t everybody want to bomb them.....?

not all but, German schemes are powerful

Serben muß sterben, Germans used to say

Source:
To Serbia Via Poland
A travelogue by Piotr Bein

aeronautics.ru/archive/yu...a%20Poland.pdf
wildrover 98 | 4,451  
26 Nov 2008 /  #5
My dentist is Serbian

AHA....probably a war criminal that learnt to pull teeth in a torture center.....
Daisy 3 | 1,227  
26 Nov 2008 /  #6
Well he's never hurt me
wildrover 98 | 4,451  
26 Nov 2008 /  #7
never hurt me

Probably waiting till you are lulled into a false sense of security....then he will strike....!!!
southern 75 | 7,096  
26 Nov 2008 /  #8
a war criminal that learnt to pull teeth in a torture center.....

Very few people go to the dentist to have their teeth pulled.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446  
26 Nov 2008 /  #9
The Balkans have always been a tangled bloody mess, and only Tito's iron fist kept things together more or less. During the Yugoslav wars of the 1990s, all nations forming part of defucnt Yugoslavia behaved cruelly and inhumanely, but no-one had more blood on theri hands than the Serbian side. There were examples of mediaeval cruelty such as heads impaled on wooden poles and mass graves reminscent of Nazi and Soviet horrors. Has anyone heard anyone apologise for any of this?
southern 75 | 7,096  
26 Nov 2008 /  #10
but no-one had more blood on theri hands than the Serbian side.

The other side had heads on their hands.
OP Crow 146 | 9,103  
26 Nov 2008 /  #11
exactly

Mujahedeen member of Bosnian Muslim Army holds decapitated head of Blagoja Blagojevic as a trophy for the camera in Crni Vrh. Bosnian Muslim Army systematically executed, tortured, and beheaded Bosnian Serbs

Source:
Srebrenica: The Untold Story
By Carl Savich
Introduction: What Really Happened in Srebrenica in 1992-1993?

serbianna.com/columns/savich/051.shtml

from Bosnia-Herzegovina to the Kosovo and Metohija, Serbians were asaulted by combined attacks of coalition which included NATO/EU special forces/mercenaries, Arab/Chechen/Affgan/Albanian/Bosnian mujaheedines, Croatian para-military formations
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
26 Nov 2008 /  #12
That's a sick picture. What did Blagojevic do to deserve that?

real-srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.com
this is disgusting.

I liked some of what Clinton did but his behavior and collaboration with evil was despicable. There can be no condoning or excuse for this kind of conduct.

Let everyone see the true scale of what happened in Serbia.
OP Crow 146 | 9,103  
26 Nov 2008 /  #13
That's a sick picture. What did Blagojevic do to deserve that?

Seanus, i have to tell you something man, believe it or not... maybe, you know me enough that believe that i won`t simple BS things

i had opportunity to work with widow of that Blagojevic. She live with three (3) of their children, three little doughters
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
26 Nov 2008 /  #14
Oh, I have no reason to doubt you. NATO collaborating with terrorists is blatantly unacceptable. Al-Qaeda were again used to do the dirty work of NATO.

OK, the Serbs did some vile things too but beheading is so draconian and heinous that America should have enforced some standards.

It's a tragic irony that America has chosen those who did some of their dirty deeds, Afghanistan, to be their enemy. So hypocritical
osiol 55 | 3,922  
26 Nov 2008 /  #15
How many wrongs does it take to make a right, Crow?
plk123 8 | 4,150  
26 Nov 2008 /  #16
poland didn't attack serbia, poland came to the defense of the bosnians from your guns. that is all.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
26 Nov 2008 /  #17
As was said in Bernard McLaverty's book Cal, "there are bad bastards on both sides".
rock - | 460  
26 Nov 2008 /  #18
We all believe now, this photogragh explains everything happened between 92-95.
Bosnian army killed one Serbian soldier during this period and Serbians got angry.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
26 Nov 2008 /  #19
Nice sarcasm!! It is actually the Bosnian Muslim radicals who believe that the life of one Muslim is worth that of 50 Serbs.
OP Crow 146 | 9,103  
26 Nov 2008 /  #20
How many wrongs does it take to make a right, Crow?

well, my dear, that... you must ask those who started that bloody Civil War , who had developed ideology of genocide and those aren`t Serbians

war is ugly as it is, in every war you have people who participiate in war as patriots and you have those who are criminals, people from black market... so, Serbs aren`t excluded from this unversal rule....

for example.... imagine Serbians in Middle age how as Racowie go to Poland to fight against Teutons and they beat Teutons... then imagine (there are no data about it but just theoreticaly) that some of those Racowie (maybe crazy due to war tragedy) raped some Polish woman or robbed some Polish peasent. Now, can you say that all Racowie mistaken for went in Poland to fight? Can you say that all Racowie are bad or that just that particular Racowie deserve punishment?

So, you see, Serbians defended themselves, they defended Yugoslavia/Serbia/Serbian lands from multiple foes, they defended Yugoslav doctrine against EU doctrine which needed to be imposed on them, etc, etc... if some Serb failed in that struggle and commited some crime he need to be punished and Serbs themselves deal with their own scum. But, you must understand that nature of real war unfortunately means brutality. Above everything you must understand that responsibility for war brutalities must fall on those who started war.

on the end, what you think... what saved Poland from Teutons? It was brutality, of course. Serbians killed for freedom of Poland, for Slavija. Racowie put Teutons to the sword, that`s what we gave to them! Then we screwd their ugly archduke and Austro-Hungaria to them, we destroyed their bussines with Turks... That`s why THEY hate us and there would be neverendless battle to the end of time if necesery, till the freedom of Sarmatia
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
26 Nov 2008 /  #21
It was the employing of terrorists by the West that really got my goat. It's unacceptable. The Western media really painted half of the picture. Defending your homeland is something us Scots know much about. I agree with Crow, the war was started by others. They were merely resisting the oppressors. I'm aware that this is too simple a picture but it holds more than a grain of truth.
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
26 Nov 2008 /  #22
poland didn't attack serbia, poland came to the defense of the bosnians from your guns. that is all.

They were just used as another american (well... it's too easy to say "american".. in fact it's more complicated) tool. Where were Poles when there was a time to defend Serbs?

We all believe now, this photogragh explains everything happened between 92-95.
Bosnian army killed one Serbian soldier during this period and Serbians got angry.

Be honest or GTFO of this thread. Your "enlightened" opinion is of none importance on Serbian issue. Better do football predictions. Oh... and sorry for being rude.
plk123 8 | 4,150  
26 Nov 2008 /  #23
Where were Poles when there was a time to defend Serbs?

from whom? the bosniaks? lol
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
26 Nov 2008 /  #24
The Serbian response was grossly disproportionate, genocide of 8,000 Muslims is equally unacceptable, especially years after the Genocide Convention.
OP Crow 146 | 9,103  
26 Nov 2008 /  #25
Materials and Documents
msz.gov.pl/files/file_library/31/9905_313.doc

ADDRESS
by Mr. Aleksander Kwaśniewski
President of the Republic of Poland
at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute
Stockholm, 4th May, 1999


Poland expressed support for the airborne campaign waged against Yugoslavia.

in the same time:

The credibility of NATO's critics was somewhat undermined in mid-May, when Ikonowicz and Sierakowska acting against the explicit instructions of their party undertook a fact-finding mission to Belgrade and the refugee camps in Macedonia, returning with a full condemnation of both the raids and their rationale. Ikonowicz reported that he had failed to find any eyewitnesses to Serb atrocities among Albanian refugees, while according to him refugees said that they had fled not the Serb army but the KLA and NATO bombs.

Source:
Splintered Unity: Polish Politics and the Crisis
Konstanty Gebert

law.nyu.edu/eecr/vol8num3/feature/splintered.html

It would not be right to separate the more general thinking on European security from reflections on the recent events in the Balkans. In the first days as a NATO member Poland presented its stand on ethnic cleansing, violation of basic human rights and the humanitarian disaster in Kosovo in conjunction with other member countries.

in the same time:

The credibility of NATO's critics was somewhat undermined in mid-May, when Ikonowicz and Sierakowska acting against the explicit instructions of their party undertook a fact-finding mission to Belgrade and the refugee camps in Macedonia, returning with a full condemnation of both the raids and their rationale. Ikonowicz reported that he had failed to find any eyewitnesses to Serb atrocities among Albanian refugees, while according to him refugees said that they had fled not the Serb army but the KLA and NATO bombs.

Source:
Splintered Unity: Polish Politics and the Crisis
Konstanty Gebert

law.nyu.edu/eecr/vol8num3/feature/splintered.html

At the same time we support all the concepts, plans and activities which could end the bloodshed, reinstate elementary justice and ensure peaceful existence to all peoples and ethnic communities in the Balkan region.

in the same time:

The credibility of NATO's critics was somewhat undermined in mid-May, when Ikonowicz and Sierakowska acting against the explicit instructions of their party undertook a fact-finding mission to Belgrade and the refugee camps in Macedonia, returning with a full condemnation of both the raids and their rationale. Ikonowicz reported that he had failed to find any eyewitnesses to Serb atrocities among Albanian refugees, while according to him refugees said that they had fled not the Serb army but the KLA and NATO bombs.

Source:
Splintered Unity: Polish Politics and the Crisis
Konstanty Gebert

law.nyu.edu/eecr/vol8num3/feature/splintered.html

NATO faces a complex choice. Should the member states' military power be used outside their territory to save the lives and rights of the Albanian minority in Kosovo? Are mass evacuations and bloody repression to be allowed and observed with indifference to which is occurring there? That is the dilemma we are facing as the present century, the century of the Holocaust, draws to a close. NATO's airborne attacks cannot be accepted with delight by anyone in his right senses, but was there any other way out when the authorities in Belgrade resisted all political persuasion?

in the same time:

The credibility of NATO's critics was somewhat undermined in mid-May, when Ikonowicz and Sierakowska acting against the explicit instructions of their party undertook a fact-finding mission to Belgrade and the refugee camps in Macedonia, returning with a full condemnation of both the raids and their rationale. Ikonowicz reported that he had failed to find any eyewitnesses to Serb atrocities among Albanian refugees, while according to him refugees said that they had fled not the Serb army but the KLA and NATO bombs.

Source:
Splintered Unity: Polish Politics and the Crisis
Konstanty Gebert

law.nyu.edu/eecr/vol8num3/feature/splintered.html

The Poles remember well that it was once claimed not worth dying for Gdańsk. It soon turned out that it was not only that old Baltic port city that the European had to die for on the many fronts of the Second World War.

in the same time:

The credibility of NATO's critics was somewhat undermined in mid-May, when Ikonowicz and Sierakowska acting against the explicit instructions of their party undertook a fact-finding mission to Belgrade and the refugee camps in Macedonia, returning with a full condemnation of both the raids and their rationale. Ikonowicz reported that he had failed to find any eyewitnesses to Serb atrocities among Albanian refugees, while according to him refugees said that they had fled not the Serb army but the KLA and NATO bombs.

Source:
Splintered Unity: Polish Politics and the Crisis
Konstanty Gebert

law.nyu.edu/eecr/vol8num3/feature/splintered.html
McCoy 27 | 1,275  
26 Nov 2008 /  #26
We all believe now, this photogragh explains everything happened between 92-95.Bosnian army killed one Serbian soldier during this period and Serbians got angry.

see our turkish friend. it's all about religion. you're taking the bosnian's side just because they are muslims like you. and in other topics you're trying to convince us that muslims are cool people and turks are ready to be part of EU. pure hipocrisy amigo. european money are good but a good christian is a dead christian. i just wish that western, wealthy europe were more religious. God gives strenght and religion unites people. Western world lost the faith, became liberal and created sick privileges for all of this maniacs loving european social money and hateing european religion, integration, traditions, languages and our skin colour.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
26 Nov 2008 /  #27
This was around the time of Poland's entry into NATO, Crow. I don't believe that Poland really wanted to destroy Serbs at all, they just issued protectorates.

OK, Poland was a democracy then but that doesn't mean that the people had a huge say on every issue. It's a crying shame that a country is judged so heavily by the actions of its government. The decision of Kwaśniewski was the decision of but one man.

His idiocy, if indeed it was that, should not tie future generations of Poles.
Harry  
27 Nov 2008 /  #28
Why did Poland attack Serbia? Because Serbia needed attacking: no other nation would slaughter hundreds of thousands of innocent people during invasions of four of the countries near it and then bleat on for years afterwards about how the world is ignoring the untold true story of the war.

Face facts: you acted like a bunch of ars*holes but like, all bullies, when you finally were faced with somebody as strong as you, your noble nation shat its collective pants and went home crying. And you're still crying to this day.

Hopefully you will one day realise that nobody cares about Serbia.

minimum what Serbs deserve from Poles is right to speak and defend themselves from accusations.

You're being given that chance at the ICTY. But for some reason Serbs are rather unwilling to go there and face justice. In fact more than a couple of them were so opposed to going that they died trying not to. I wonder why.

You would learn Harry boy that Slavs aren`t stupid.

This coming from the Slav who thought that Russia had proved over history to be a loyal ally of Poland....
OP Crow 146 | 9,103  
27 Nov 2008 /  #29
This coming from the Slav who thought that Russia had proved over history to be a loyal ally of Poland....

your mistake

unfortunately, i can`t say that i believed that Russia proved to be Polish loyal ally throughout time. Since long time ago i heard for Russian failure on Slavic west. I am sad about it and taking that as great tragedy.

Truth is that on Balkan Polish-Russian interests didn`t come in collision or even if there was such a situation Serbs did their best to balance and soften misunderstandings. It was in our best interest, in any sense

But i do believe that non-Slavic interests greately contributed to Polish-Russian antagonism and then profited. Having that in mind, i must say, seams that both- Poles and Russians failed to coordinate and respond properly on situation and foreign schemes.
rock - | 460  
27 Nov 2008 /  #30
see our turkish friend. it's all about religion. you're taking the bosnian's side just because they are muslims like you. and in other topics you're trying to convince us that muslims are cool people and turks are ready to be part of EU. pure hipocrisy amigo. european money are good but a good christian is a dead christian. i just wish that western, wealthy europe were more religious. God gives strenght and religion unites people. Western world lost the faith, became liberal and created sick privileges for all of this maniacs loving european social money and hateing european religion, integration, traditions, languages and our skin colour.

McCoy, I don't agree with you. if you follow the threads you will see a lot of posts insults Turks and muslims. This shows how religious western world is. İf to be religious means insult other nations or religions. Yes, I feel sympathy to Bosniaks.

Religion is only one of the factors. ( Arabs are also muslim but I don't like them)
After Turks left Balkans, they feel alone and pressure from christains increased. Most of the europeans could not accept a muslim nation in the middle of the europe. This encouraged Serbs to get rid of bosniaks if possible kill all of them. Europe watched the genocit. Then USA decided to interfere and NATO supported. But it was too late. 200.000 bosniaks were killed. I support Bosniaks because they were the weak side.

Even now, Bosniaks is trying to live in peace in Bosnia Hercegovina. But, Serbs established their own state in the country. Serbs and Croats living in Bosnia & Hercegovina hang Serbia and Croatia flags to their balconies not Bosnia & Hercegovina flag. Only muslims don't hang their flag because they don't want another war.

I believe, Bosnia & Hercegovina has not stabilized yet. Map will change again.

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