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Poles executed in Warsaw '1939-44' [112]
how can the other side be forgotten when it is repeatedly pushed in our faces?
Which side do you mean?
See, over 60 years after WW2 it appears that anything that happened between 1939 and 1945 was just a backdrop to the plight of the Jews. It wasn't. In fact Jewish organizations lay pretty low until late 1960's. The further away from the end of WW2 we get, the more holcaust survivors there are. Poor souls hardly see any dollar from class lawsuits on their behalf though. The money goes... exactly, where does it go?
the point would be that it is very difficult for the polish nation to hold their hand up and admit any wrong doing.
Agreed. Some will never admit any guilt for a good reason, some... just because they won't or because they are in fact antisemites. None of the cases is a typically Polish feature, so why say "Poles" or "Polish nation".
this is the point that most people are making when you perceive them as attacking you
I know you may be wondering why that is. Look at the way you formulate your statements about atrocities against Jews that some Poles may have committed. It does sound like you are attacking me too - Poles this and Poles that. Which Poles? Not me. Not my family. Not anybody I know in Poland. In fact the reason why some of my family members where in nazi concentration camps (including Auschwitz) was because of one little Jewish boy they hid in their barn. As a kid I was taught by my mom (a staunch catholic) to lay flowers and light a candle on graves in a Jewish cemetery in Pinczow because "the poor souls have noone to pray for them, but they suffered so much".
This is where I come from, and this is where Polish nation comes from. It hosted Jews who had been continually persecuted by all other nations (including yours) so they came to Poland and lived there for generations, with few problems, until Poland was partitioned and under foreign rule of one variety or another for nearly 200 years.
What you continue to refer to as the "Polish nation" was in fact a very small minority of people to be found in any country, including yours - racists, supremacists and plain bandits. That is wrong, and that is where you err and pis.s off those who do not deserve to be exposed to your thoughtless drivels.
Pogroms took place in post WW2 for the next few years. Most had nothing to do with Jews but in fact it was about Poles against those who collaborated with the Germans. These are things people do not read a whole lot about in history manuals, but they happened. I know personally about at least a dozen of such people in the villages my parents come from. They were poles killed in 1945/46 and never accounted for. It was a real war that lasted past 1945.
Have you ever heard any protests about more than 20 people killed in 1945 by the villagers in Bogucice, or 15 killed in Krzyzanowice? Both of these in... Kielce area. I'm sure though you did hear about the Kielce pogrom. The only difference between the former two and the latter is that in Kielce the victims were Jews, while in the others they were Poles.
Sure, it wasn't legal to kill a bunch of collaborators without trial, but mob psychology took over, people were angry after years of suffering, after loosing their husbands, wifes and children. They took revenge.
In post WW2 everybody was a potential victim. Many lived in fear for a decade to come. An uncle of mine, an AK soldier who escaped from a transport to Siberia in 1946, lived under a false name until 1956, and even after that he wasn't to open about his fight against the Germans. He wasn't a Jew but he feared for his life for most of his years after WW2.
When WW2 broke out and in the years and months leading to it few of the moral high horse countries wanted to have anything to do with Jews. Look how many Jews could have been saved if, for instance, Canada accepted more than just 5 thousand of them.
If you want to be taken seriously, then take a serious and fair, not hateful, approach to the nation that is now hosting you. Your continuing wholesale attacks on "Polish nation" beg for one suggestion - get out of the country that you consider so unfriendly and self centered and go where Jews were never persecuted. I guess that would leave very few options for you, wouldn't it? Unless you like really, really cold climates.
I have nothing to apologize for and I'm sure most of the Polish participants of this forum have the moral right to sleep well at night.
