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Russia tells teachers to lie to students about "Katyn"


celinski 31 | 1,258  
26 Aug 2008 /  #1
Russia is adding insult to injury once more with the verdict out how will they explaine this to the children in the future?

GAZETA WYBORCZA focuses on the interpretation of the Katyn massacre of 1940 presented in a new history textbook introduced in Russian schools.

Russia never wanted to take full responsibility for the execution of thousands of Polish army officers taken as POWs by the Soviets following the annexation of eastern Polish territories under the infamous non-aggression pact with Nazi Germany in the first days of World War Two. The newest version of this history tells Russian school children that Katyn was simply squaring accounts with Poles for the death of thousands of Russian prisoners in the Polish-Bolshevik war of 1920. As for Katyn itself, it was a Stalinist crime and Russia, as such, cannot assume responsibility for the genocide, claim top Russian politicians.

polskieradio.pl/zagranica/news/artykul90 011_Lies_about_Katyn_massacre_in_new_Russian_ school_books.html

The Circular Military Court in Moscow has adjourned until September 30 the hearing of an appeal filed by family members of the Polish officers murdered by the Soviet NKVD in 1940 in Katyn against the decision made by the Russian General Military Prosecution to dismiss the case, informs ultraconservative Nasz Dziennik daily.

polskieradio.pl/thenews/press-review/?id=89975

Katyn “deserved revenge”?

From now on, Russian pupils will be informed that some 22,000 Polish officers were indeed killed by the NKVD in Katyn in 1940, but the act was fully justified and “politically suitable”, reports a Moscow-based liberal, but pro-government daily newspaper Vremya Novostei.

polskieradio.pl/thenews/foreign-affairs/?id=89924
loco polaco 3 | 353  
26 Aug 2008 /  #2
oh man, russia sucks. :(
OP celinski 31 | 1,258  
26 Aug 2008 /  #3
This is a video clip which shows the tragedy commited against Polish officers and other citizens in II World War, when they were murdered by Soviets.



"Katyn massacre"

I'm waiting
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,516  
26 Aug 2008 /  #4
Man you Poles are really stuck in the past....no hope for you! :(
OP celinski 31 | 1,258  
26 Aug 2008 /  #5
Man you Poles are really stuck in the past

Nope just like the truth, or was it better when Germany did it?
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
26 Aug 2008 /  #6
killing of thousands of Red Army soldiers in Polish captivity after the war of 1920 [between Poland and the Soviet Union], initiated by Poland, not the USSR"

Is this a lie, celinski?
OP celinski 31 | 1,258  
26 Aug 2008 /  #7
Lets see 1920 Red Army had guns, not unarmed and shot in the head.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
26 Aug 2008 /  #8
Is this a lie, celinski?

Well, isn't It ? The whole thing was invented as "anti-KatyƄ" and saying that It was some "Stalin's revenage" is ridiculous as Stalin himself ordered to kill about half of Soviet officers in 30's.
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
26 Aug 2008 /  #9
Lets see 1920 Red Army had guns, not unarmed and shot in the head.

My question was simple and implied an easy answer either yes or no. So it looks like I talk about thomas and you're trying to explain me something about jonas. Ok... sure they had guns as well as your officer before being captivated.

So your answer is "no"? right?
OP celinski 31 | 1,258  
26 Aug 2008 /  #10
Ok... sure they had guns as well as your officer before being captivated.

Wrong once more, Polish military were told to hand them in all in good faith.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,516  
26 Aug 2008 /  #11
Nope just like the truth, or was it better when Germany did it?

It's the truth...but it's history now and that seems to be the only record in your player, THAT is hopeless!
OP celinski 31 | 1,258  
26 Aug 2008 /  #12
to be the only record in your player

I'm sorry I forgot it's all about the Nord and money. Personally I feel teaching the next gen of innocent Russia children lie's is wrong. Or maybe we should teach all American children twisted versions of history as long as we look like hero's?
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
26 Aug 2008 /  #13
Wrong once more, Polish military were told to hand them in all in good faith.

Excuse me celinski.... you named this thread "Russia tells teachers to lie to students about "Katyn". I don't deny that Stalin wasn't a good guy, I can agree that the authors of this book are at least cynical and I wouldn't suggest reading this book to my kids but I can't figure out why you called it a lie? It's just their point of view, ****** but still point of view. It would be a lie if Red Army soldiers didn't die in captivate but they did and let people decide themselves on what works better for them.

Long story short I'm disturbed with your lie here that you call a lie death of soldiers of the RA. That's it.
Grzegorz, right stalin did a lot of bad things but it's not related to our particular case.
OP celinski 31 | 1,258  
26 Aug 2008 /  #14
let people decide themselves on what works better for them.

How about we just tell the truth and teach the children that things in history were wrong and should never happen again.

Long story short I'm disturbed with your lie here that you call a lie death of soldiers of the RA.

Did you by chance read the "lie" being taught to Russian children?
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259  
26 Aug 2008 /  #15
Well, I will try to repeat my post. 'Za*bali svoey Katin'iyu sil net; nikakih angliyskih slov ne hvataet! Nosyatsya s ney kak so spisannoy torboy. Ya sdayus', gotov perechislit' v Pol'shu 300 rubley so sleduyuschey zarplati, nehay gulyayut.'
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
26 Aug 2008 /  #16
ROFL :)))))) I have ti transalte that.

You know celinski Kostia says you've f&#cked his brain out with your Katyn and he doesn't have any english words to express his indignation. Also he's a bit upset that you're trying to feed him with your polish victimhood every time he surfes the forum. Moreover, he surrenders and ready to transfer to Poland some 300 rubles of his next wage.

How about we just tell the truth and teach the children that things in history were wrong and should never happen again.

Obviously you're having a sex with my brain as well since you don't stubbornly want to read my post and get the idea. It's not a lie. It's the way to present the information and paint bygone developments and I strongly believe that smart people wouldn't read that or take it seriously. So the problem should be solved itself. But I repeat you again... death of RA's soldiers is NOT a lie.
OP celinski 31 | 1,258  
26 Aug 2008 /  #17
I have ti transalte that.

I am not suprized Constantine hides behind a lady, and although he feels I was a victim he should know better than any, Katyn left no victims. I really don't need his money but he could look into the educational system in Russia as they are not teaching responsability and telling lie's to children just like they did you. IMO I want the truth even if it's not what I want to hear and if I don't get it I loose respect and trust.

Obviously you're having a sex with brain

excuse me now I am ROFL. This "brain" is he good looking?

death of RA's soldiers is NOT a lie.

Sweetheart, we all die. My point is what kind murderer would take unarmed men and shoot them in the head, 22,000 times. Hey you guys ever wonder what the Soviets were so scared of, here they had guns on unarmed men and they still tied their hands. Shot Polish military must be fantastic when you look at how scared the big mean Soviets with guns were.
loco polaco 3 | 353  
26 Aug 2008 /  #18
Man you Poles are really stuck in the past....no hope for you! :(

yet you're still dillusional about the greatness of the krauts. hmmm

So your answer is "no"? right?

it's a LIE you redfvkk.

Grzegorz, right stalin did a lot of bad things but it's not related to our particular case.

hpw freaking convinient. it's a LIE and that's all there is to it. you can't deny the facts.. that's how liess get started.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,516  
26 Aug 2008 /  #19
yet you're still dillusional about the greatness of the krauts. hmmm

"dillusional"????

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.....

:):):)
Harry  
26 Aug 2008 /  #20
I am not suprized Constantine hides behind a lady

Showing your intellect and knowledge of the world yet again, eh Carol?

FYI: Sasha is a man (as you can tell by looking at the male symbol next to his name) and no he doesn't have a girl's name: in Russia Sasha is the short form of Alexander.
OP celinski 31 | 1,258  
26 Aug 2008 /  #21
FYI: Sasha is a man

Thank you for clearing that up, now I don't have to be so easy on him. :) One of my aunts is "Stanislaw and we call her "Stasha" silly me never thought to look.
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
26 Aug 2008 /  #22
Man you Poles are really stuck in the past....no hope for you! :(

i could not agree more, lets try and move on shall we??? what is the problem???
OP celinski 31 | 1,258  
26 Aug 2008 /  #23
what is the problem???

Seems to me it was Russian's that altered text books and brought this back into the media, if they were telling the truth would we be talking about it?
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
26 Aug 2008 /  #24
why not just rise above it, the world knows what went on, let the Russians play their silly little school boy games and rise above them. Reacting like this everytime somebody mentions Katyn and 'who did what' is like a playground argument. Remember the dead by all means, whether the Germans or Russians did it, does not really change a thing, who is dead is dead. They are not coming back.
jkn005 1 | 127  
26 Aug 2008 /  #25
Or maybe we should teach all American children twisted versions of history as long as we look like hero's?

You mean like reasoning the murder of 100,000's of Japanese with the dropping of the A bombs with, "It saved lives".
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
26 Aug 2008 /  #26
yeah why not :) are you saying that it did not save any lives?? :):) It pretty much put an end to the war and the blurred views of the Japs that they could rule the world, lol.
OP celinski 31 | 1,258  
26 Aug 2008 /  #27
playground argument

And history left uncorrected, repeats itself. Do we as humans have standards, and if we do, why are you still trying to silence anyone that brings up this subject?
dtaylor 9 | 823  
26 Aug 2008 /  #28
It should be left in the past, and forgotten maybe.
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
26 Aug 2008 /  #29
And history left uncorrected, repeats itself. Do we as humans have standards, and if we do, why are you still trying to silence anyone that brings up this subject?

Your right about one thing, it will be repeated again and again, by people like yourself. Whether or not the truth was told and the Russians said 'yeah it was us' you still wouldn't be happy and would still talk on forums such as this one about what they did and how awful it was!!!. I can assure you that you would always have something to say on the matter whether or not it was cleared up.

Do i want people to be quite about this, hell yes, not for the reasons you suspect. It's ok complaining but after a while it gets a bit boring and tedious. Talk about going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on, you and crow are the top people for that!!!!.

What is it they say about those who complain to much???
OP celinski 31 | 1,258  
26 Aug 2008 /  #30
It should be left in the past, and forgotten maybe.

It should never be forgotten, we are talking about someones son, fathers, husbands, uncles and grandfathers.

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