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History of Poland which was "absorbed" by Russia


David 5 | 12  
4 Oct 2006 /  #1
okay,I could have found this out by reading a History book,but figured this would be quicker.
I have been told,there was a time Poland was 'absorbed' by Russia,and thus,didn't exist.
My Grandfather was,I was always told,Polish.But it is looking like he came from Russia.
I need a brief history of the border between Poland and Russia.
and thank you.
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4 Oct 2006 /  #2
I know there were times big chunks Poland were "absorbed" by Russia, for example the lands of today's Litvia or Ukraine. There are still many people with "Polish blood" (and last names) who live there. The fact that Polish and Russian language are sort of similar makes the Poles life there easier - - but it's hard to compare Poland to Latvia now.
glowa 1 | 291  
5 Oct 2006 /  #3
have been told,there was a time Poland was 'absorbed' by Russia,and thus,didn't exist.

Not only Russia. Poland was divided between Russia, Prussia (aka Germany) and Austria as far as I remember. The period is called "Rozbiory" (Partitions of Poland) Took place at the end of XVIII century. Is that what you're asking about?

simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitions_of_Poland

Take a look at this, Polish-Soviet War (after the First World War) - this might have more to do with the story of your Grandfather.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish-Soviet_War

you've got a map of Poland then, where you can see that large part of it (around half of it) no longer belongs to the country. On the other hand in the north and all the western part was governed by ze Germans.
Kowalski 7 | 621  
5 Oct 2006 /  #4
There was no Poland on map of Europe 1795-1919. The parts of Poland were incorporated into neighboring countries in 1772, 1791 and the rest of it in 1795.

The concept of "national identity" we are all suffering from in nowadays Europe didn't exist until around 1850. People didn't know they were Poles until about that time! The same with other nations in Europe like Germany, Italy who managed in 19th century to unify their people into countries and call them Germans, Italians.

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Rzeczpospolita.png - map
OP David 5 | 12  
5 Oct 2006 /  #5
I have the immigration papers for my Grandfather's brother,but not my Grandfather,although I expect to have those within a month... the papers for Grandpa's brother say,he came from Russia,but was of Polish decent.

In family history,the towns of Goworowo and Goworowek both came up,but I cant find them on any map.I'm guessing they were on he border.
Wroclaw 44 | 5,384  
5 Oct 2006 /  #6
Poland:

52 degrees 54 minutes- 21 degrees 34 minutes = goworowo

50 miles NNE of Warsaw.
Gustaw - | 9  
1 Nov 2006 /  #7
There was no Poland on map of Europe 1795-1919

Sorry to say this, but it's a common mistake, repeated constantly at schools... The truth is that Russia, Prussia and Austria sweared never to restore the name "Poland", but after the Viennese Congress (1814-15) Russia was forced to form the Kingdom of Poland. Yes, yes, of course - the king was also, ironically, the tsar, and the country didn't have independence, but it's without difference when talking about Poland's very existence on the map. The Kingdom of Poland (and thus the name "Poland" at all) vanished from the map of Europe again in 1865, when tsar Alexander II formally incorporated it to "Mother Russia" (the new name was now "Priwislinskij kraj" (pol. "Kraj Przywiślański - "Vistulan Country") as a punishment for the January Uprising (1863-65).

There was no independent Poland in the period 1795-1918(19) - I can agree here.

[BTW: Hi, it's my 1st post here. :)]

Pozdrawiam,
Gustaw
celinski 31 | 1,258  
28 Nov 2007 /  #8
Are you referring to 1939-1945 when Germany attacted from the west and them Russia from the west. This is also a part of history that I am trying to name on another link. Eastern Poland was in what is now Ukraine. This is where "Katyn" took place. Then the Russians went into the homes of Polish osadnik (front line ww1 in reserve) farmers unarmed, in the night, took them and the rest of the family to box cars destined for Siberia concentration camps. Stalin was going to use them as slaves until they died. This group needs a name and if you can think of any please find my post and add it.

Thanks, Carol
jonni 16 | 2,485  
30 Nov 2007 /  #9
There's a street (actually a roundabout) in Warsaw called 'Rondo Zeslancow Syberyjskich" or 'Siberian Exiles' Roundabout'.

I'm not sure if this refers to the WW2 deportations or earlier political punishments. Siberian Exiles or Siberian Deportees seems an appropriate description. I think the medal that the Polish Government is giving to survivors of that terrible time refers to them as Siberian Exiles.

Oops, just realised this should be in the other thread and it soon will be.

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