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World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World


isthatu2 4 | 2,703  
13 May 2009 /  #62
Great,can I go back to cricket and warm beer now?
leaves me free to go suppres a few pesky colonials :)
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
13 May 2009 /  #63
Didn't they do that when signing the non-aggression pact? ;) ;)

Also, a bit like Tudjman and Milosevic when they signed that Agreement beginning with K, the name eludes me.
isthatu2 4 | 2,703  
13 May 2009 /  #64
Ok,I'll leave the colonials alone
Joins fraternal hug.

"oi,hands off my arse,its not true what all you continentals think about englishmen,well,the ones that didnt go to eton anyway."
Salomon 2 | 436  
13 May 2009 /  #65
Oh and I'm still waiting for your famous people list...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Poles

Really? A beer to that! :)

Yes ... issues of borders with Germany are closed :)
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,525  
13 May 2009 /  #66
Yes ... issues of borders are with Germany are closed :)

Oh come on Solo...don't spoil the mood...all border issues in Europe are closed, also your eastern border, we all move on!
Salomon 2 | 436  
13 May 2009 /  #67
Of coure issue of eastern border is closed but friendly neighbourhood should be made on truth not silence.
isthatu2 4 | 2,703  
13 May 2009 /  #68
Cant we all just join in and sing a verse or two of Lili marlene?
Come on,i'll get the ball rolling

Underneath the lamp light
by the barrack gate...

come on BB
unter dem summat summat
ich der kasserne wotsit

Soly
Pod jasnosummatski
w fortski brama

anyone?
Ironside 50 | 11,036  
14 May 2009 /  #69
Lets face it,when will Poland take responsibility for playing a huge part in causing ww2 to start with its usuall pompous attitude when it came to Danzig? Why not just give the Germans the road and rail route access between west and east prussia?

WWII - if not Poland it would be France, Belgium or Greece or maybe Soviets were war would have been started!
Before Austria then Czechoslovakia all were nice to Mr Hitler - look what they get in return .
Maybe Britain should give to Germany some of their colonies ? for a good measure - why not?
youtube.com/watch?v=Yv4LaLDG5xE
Battenbergs and all that ....
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,525  
14 May 2009 /  #70
Why do you forget what destroyed any chance the Weimar Republic might had and what made people vote for Hitler?
WWII started already with the Treaty of Versailles, from then on it was only a matter of time till someone would ride on it to the top.

A big part of the reason why so many European diplomats and politicians stayed quite for so long was a nagging feeling of guilt that Hitler was not so far off, that the Treaty had been unfair and that the Germans only got back what was stolen from them....they couldn't misinterpret the happy masses lining the streets throwing flowers wherever the Wehrmacht drived through...be it the Rhineland, Austria or the Sudeten!

Then Hitler was about to correct the last crime with getting Danzig back, freeing the german minority from the polish yoke (or so he said)...but now - oh wonder - he had set his aims much higher...to f*ucking bad...who could have thought it!
Salomon 2 | 436  
14 May 2009 /  #71
hen Hitler was about to correct the last crime

Why after anexing part of Czech republic he had broken agreement and had taken whole Czech rep ? Your verison doesn't stick to reality.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,525  
14 May 2009 /  #72
Because there hadn't been a Czechoslovakia before, but only a Böhmen and Mähren.
Because at that point Hitler didn't care anymore for the rights of the Germans, to make "things right again" as he had preached all this years.

Frankly he gave a sh*t and he would have given Danzig for an agreement with the Poles otherwise as we now know.
He was already in his "conquering dictator" mood...most just didn't know yet and still believed in him fully!

But then...there was nobody else who did something they could vote for....
isthatu2 4 | 2,703  
14 May 2009 /  #73
Ironside

Dont worry,this was cleared up on the last page :)
Sorry,I was mostly playing Devils Advocate/provocauter of debate.....hindsight of history shows this would probably have been a futile gesture anyway . It was however a very common view held in France and Britain at this time(39),by Polititions and lay people alike, why shouldnt the germans get back some of the lands lost at versaille,a large percentage of the population were "german" anyway. This feeling changed though,not with the invasion,or even the declarations of war 2 days later. Both our nations,France and Britain had suffered horrendous casualties in WW1 and no one was keen to go to war for a distant,almost alien land.No,feelings changed with the newsreel footage of the nazi bombing of Warsaw,and generaly,from that time on people had an idea of just what they were fighting.
Ironside 50 | 11,036  
14 May 2009 /  #74

All right!

He was already in his "conquering dictator" mood...most just didn't know yet and still believed in him fully!

Don't worry BB something to cheer you up:
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,525  
14 May 2009 /  #75
Don't worry BB something to cheer you up:

Hmmm....

Dieses Video ist in deinem Land nicht verfügbar.

Something dirty and perverse I hope? :)
isthatu2 4 | 2,703  
14 May 2009 /  #76
Nope,a bunch of poor sods ,stubblehoppers, on der OstFront. With Good Comrade being sung in the background. Sort of like the opening titles of Cross of Iron...without Senta Berger getting her bum out :(
Ironside 50 | 11,036  
14 May 2009 /  #77
Dieses Video ist in deinem Land nicht verfügbar.

Sorry BB!
What about that?:
isthatu2 4 | 2,703  
14 May 2009 /  #78
I cant believe these pages are blocked in germany BB.
Sure theres a few silly messages in some of the comments pages "3 weeks ago. Happy B'Day mein Fuhrer...." but mostly its just compilation videos made by men with too much time on there hands of footage of various fronts with old marching songs in the background. This is history,maybe with a touch of propaganda but,why deny it,it happened.

Like I said,just watch cross of iron,atleast youve got a good film after the music....... "you go,with that,foul smelling one." " I keep dirty after stalingrad,dirt and body oils combine to keep you vaterproof..."
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,525  
14 May 2009 /  #79
Sorry BB!
What about that?:

Aaaaaaaaah...that's much better:

*starts to swing in step* :)

I cant believe these pages are blocked in germany BB.

Not all...I can get alot of those WWII videos with original footage...I wonder too why this one is blocked!
isthatu2 4 | 2,703  
14 May 2009 /  #80
Im probably commiting a terrable faux pas on PF here but
This is a "nice" video montage. "I had a comrade". Made as a tribute to the fallen on all sides.
Like the topic says,World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World .IMHO its about time we saw that for what it really means and include the 7million figure too.A few mad men, a terrable economic situation around the world and millions lose their lives.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,525  
14 May 2009 /  #81
Im probably commiting a terrable faux pas on PF here

I think you just did! ;)

But it IS a wonderful song and absolutely apolitical, actually fitting all fighting men, then and now.

...and I fear the reconciliation between Germany and our eastern neighbours will take awhile longer than with our western neighbours!
isthatu2 4 | 2,703  
14 May 2009 /  #82
...and I fear the reconciliation between Germany and our eastern neighbours will take awhile longer than with our western neighbours!

Thats the difference really though. Not only the fact that "our war" was somehow more distant and less personal due to not being under occupation(im sure those who lost loved ones saw it as personal but for the rest,probably not so much).

I used to doubt sometimes the old stories Id read of say ,the war in the Western desert ,and the mutual respect and comparative lack of sensless barbarity by all sides in that theatre. But,Ive met so many veterns who confirm this that I guess it must have been true to a point.

Its not just that though,in our mutual history,in the grand scheme of things the 2 wars between our countries were an abhoration,an unexpected blip in an untill then fairly warm relationship between Britain and the various german states.Its no secret our present royal family are german either,though I wont hold that against you BB.

Look at the Napolionic war,while the Duchy of Warsaw couldnt wait to sign up to the Grande Armee Prussian troops effectivly saved the Day for the red coats at waterloo.

I guess if Britain had also shared a land border with germany my out look and my fellow countrymens outlook(as much as one person can have the audacity to speak for a nation) would probably be different,but,thats the way the cookie crumbled.

BTW,just for balance,there are plenty of British veterens who absoloutly hated with a vengence the nazis,and with that german troops in general for gooing along with them. Although war crimes were much rarer on the western fronts they did happen,even in the battle for france in 1940,POWs grenaded in barns by wSS troops and such like.Mind you,the other pov is one of the British VC winners from D Day felt no shame or hesitation in confessing to "mowing down countless surrendering jerries" with his sten gun,and then carving notches in the stock....
Ironside 50 | 11,036  
14 May 2009 /  #83
I think you just did! ;)

It's only song!
What count - intension's !
Something for You.

*smile friendly *
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,525  
14 May 2009 /  #84
Its no secret our present royal family are german either,though I wont hold that against you BB.

That's so kind of you, thank you! :)

I once read a highly amusing report by a british journalist at that time in Germany who accompanied father and uncle to an veteran meeting between old "gizers" of the RAF and the Luftwaffe and how they behaved...darn good read and so telling! :)

...forgot the name of this journo though...will look for it...

Something for You.

*smile friendly *

Another march...you are spoiling me!
isthatu2 4 | 2,703  
14 May 2009 /  #85
Ok,heres one. My best mates auld regiment and one an uncle fought in at Arnhem.
enjoy,

youtube.com/watch?v=g6oNjz38v20&feature=related

As a Border regiment only the Pipers were Kilts,the rest were Tarten Trews.

at about 3min 48 it gets really good,I promise :)

and,its a bit cheesy,but I loved this as a kid,and it kind of sums up where Im coming from .Lets just sort things out with a game of footie instead of using each other as target practice evry few decades.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,525  
14 May 2009 /  #86
at about 3min 48 it gets really good,I promise :)

I actually waited observing this one drummer that his sticks would fly away!!! :)
Great looking chaps, nothing goes above good old tradition...

.Lets just sort things out with a game of footie instead of using each other as target practice evry few decades.

Are you sure with footie of all things as your "weapon of choice"??? *looks innocently*

youtube.com/watch?v=NVK_mJrLbmY&feature=related

Yes...
isthatu2 4 | 2,703  
14 May 2009 /  #87
Maybe your right there,youve seen my attempts at German,I wouldnt stand much chance in the post cup final new member state of the greater german reich.....mind you,you or the english?? ;)( he says having never suffered "english oppresion" and only having spent about 3 years in total in Scotland,including holidays...)
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,525  
14 May 2009 /  #88
:)

'nite isthatu....have to go now...
Ironside 50 | 11,036  
14 May 2009 /  #89
[quote=isthatu2][/quote]
OK! precision with drums !

Now mine about someone love - soldier who was killed.

And Bard I like - sorry no English subtitles !

youtube.com/watch?v=W23lDELxuys

Good nite!
chinczyk - | 32  
14 May 2009 /  #90
Or maybe they are just REENACTORS!!! Cripes,whats so hard about this concept for people to understand?

well,i just feel it is kinda harsh to see someone in enemy's uniforms,so i reasoned that way.

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