Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved

Awesome post, ZIMMY. I agree.

The best quote of the months. LOL

Oh, that's pretty much over with I can assure you.


You against somebody else. Rammstein instead of Wagner. Hi Ho a hunting we will go for untermenschen. I hope you come for us, we will see who is sh.tting their pants.

France was still demanding attention and troops and Hungary, Romania also Italy became more weak points than support as the war turned sour...especially the Italians who often see themselves as victors of WWII nowadays...


Against whom...you are such an expert on Europe and especially the german psyche...you can even see the "devotion in our eyes" across an internet board...come on...tell me more about the upcoming war!


For what??? :)

Haha. Wonder why?

Nobody ever asked us to????? Uhhh okay...

Well...it was the Brits in the first war and in the second war too...didn't they!

Oh...and they are broke again...your helping hand might be needed again!

What I think is this; it is wrong to attack a country and murder innocent men, women and children. By calling me an "idiot", you have lost the argument. Here is some advice; make your arguments logically, don't name call (or shout). Of course being an "obedient" German perhaps that is too difficult.

You've made several comments which suggest that [Germans] starting WWII was just a progression of how things were inevitable. I suggest that tanks, planes and soldiers murdering innocent people in their homes was immoral and wrong and not standard fare or normal.

Look at WWII pictures of weeping familly members hunched over their dead relatives and try to tell your "obedient" self that this was ok.

Did we help them in the Falklands, them us in Viet Nam? They left us in Iraq. Next time you want the Holy fu.cking Island so bad.. bon appetit!

What argument?
There was no argument with you!
You imply the german army did nothing else but killing innocent civilians and you are obsessed with german "obedience"...
Where is your argument?


What is your problem boy!
An iraqi school boy lost all limbs and his whole family during the first days of the Iraq war, it was all over the media but sh*it happens in a war!

When today american soldiers kill whole villages in Afghanistan with only innocent civilians having a party innit it's also sh*it what happened...is the "obedience" of the american soldier to blame?

Was the american officer Calley of My Lai fame in Vietnam to "obedient"???
It isn't called sh*it for nothing...

Nobody ever said it was a good or even an okay thing but such things happened and still happen...it
isn't the privilege or a specialty of the german forces!
And it surely isn't an "obedience" thing...

They thought they were under a bolshevik threat and they believed they were saving Germany and protecting German people.

That fear and belief is what started the Nazi process in Germany.

Innocent people die in all wars. What will it take for people to finally realize that. There are no winners in wars. Even the victors took losses. We will never learn.

No Berlin, that's your job now : D You will need two hands for that job.

Gah! Don't wanna!

lol

Stalin's and Hitler's times are gone. All these is unlikely to happen again. Germans seem to drew the lesson from history and I believe they're smart enough not to step on the same rake. Hopefully the US moralizes from their recent slips in Serbia and Middle East too or otherwise yes... that will be much better if the US stays away from Europe. That lessens chances of another WW. I don't actually know what you're guys arguing about.

BB, Mr. Suvorov not the best person to cite. Firstly he's not a historian he's an essay writer... crappy one.

I'm not sure on that one, some historians agree, most disagree...we will never know, won't we. No more wars!

You cannot blame the US for NATO strikes in Serbia. It wasn't ultimately up to us. It was NATO that decided the strikes were needed.

You are damn right about that Russian.

God bless Hungary. They refused to take part in your invasion
of Poland in 1939 and Miklós Horthy didn't allow Wehrmacht
the military access during the invasion of Poland and ordered
to mine up the railway tunnels and blow them up in case you
tried to use them by force :)

Since September 1939 Horthy's government was very friendly
towards Poland and gave shelter to our refugees. Despite German
demands until the end of November 1940 they kept Polish embassy
open. About 35 thousand Polish soldiers, earlier officialy interned,
went from Hungary to France to join Polish Army in the west :)

In Budapest, until 19 March 1944 - that is until German military
occupation of Hungary - the main organisation of Polish military
intelligence for Central Europe had its main headquarters, which
was tolerated by Hungarian authorities despite the formal alliance
that Hungary had with Germany :)

There were also Polish schools and cultural institutions all over
Hungary during the second world war :)

Lengyel, Magyar - két jó barát, együtt harcol, s issza borát!

Yes but who's NATO orchestrated by? Javier Solana wouldn't take a single step with no approval. The US and NATO is like the SU and Warsaw Treaty.

I am pretty sure we were pressured into it by Europe, especially Turkey. Please look at the entire picture.

Wrong; the main reason was the estimated number of casualties resulting from an invasion of Japan.

Ohh my Brat Boy youre sounding off as if Germany single handedly fought the entire world - again. What about all the other axis nations? Weve already established that Germany had been preparing for total war years before any aggressive action was undertaken. Who would win a fight between a boxer who had been training for 5 years and a boxer with two months training?

I never thought of you as a neo nazi, but youre doing a great job of advertising your self as such today.


Correct actually i said excuse not reason. In war there will always be reasons, why didnt the US nuke Vietnam?

Like Hungary or Italy...great help, yeah!


Well..the others weren't blind...they were preparing also!
The French for example put all their energy into the Maginot line...to bad the Germans went around it! They had more modern tanks than the Germans...the Brits had the bigger fleet...etc.

And as Luki will show you most of the german forces still consisted of horses...how long can you prepare them?


Your problem, not mine...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_powers]Axis Powers

So...who of them was a real help for Germany??? :)

Japan was probably your greatest ally because they distracted the US.

nope. Most likely "сделано в СССР"!

If you add them all up it becomes substantial.
From Rafal's link
2 Participating nations
2.1 Major Axis powers
2.1.1 Germany
2.1.2 Japan
2.1.3 Italy
2.2 Minor powers2.2.1 Hungary
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