Russia: Poland responsible for WW II

PP, so it's ok for America to expand into different domains and not Prussia? It just happened, aha, so you are not letting things take their own natural course based on 'need'?

I didn't mean the world's policeman in Gdańsk and you know it.

BB, I meant that America was discovered by Columbus but does that determine its future forever? Of course not! I was trying to discuss the importance of the founder and make a point that it isn't the founding that's always critical.

Erm...Poles are currently "occupying" Danzig..Some Germans want it back, what do you think should be done with those Poles?


Imagine LA is fully German and the surrounding Mexicans are Poles...now the situation fits better!
Should Germans become Poles and give the town away just like that?


The same with the founder of Danzig.
Who has more rights? Columbus/some Boleslaw or the people who worked and lived here?

Should Spain claim the US as "always spanish"?

I think you should just leave things as they are and quit changing things all the time. You think changing a border makes a difference? Why do you think we never do that in the US? It's a bad move, meine freunde!

LA is all Mexican surrounded by Americans. That sounds about right. We are keeping LA anyway because it would pathetic to lose it based on that fact - there's a bunch of Mexicans living there. We need LA and Mexicans can build up their Cancun. Mexico has lots of great places to build on. All they gotta do is put forth the effort. Mexico has plenty of land, better weather than the US, nice ocean front property. They have no excuses.

Well...that the people in Versailles didn't was the starting point of WWII.
It wasn't the people of Danzig who changed the borders nor were they greedy or selfish as you claimed.
They just wanted back home were they belonged!


Crap...you did change borders since the Mayflowers landed. Or how do you came to span the whole continent and to 50 or so countries in the USofA?

Here also you never asked the Natives!

You only stopped quite recently this occupying and border changing business...take a look into Wiki!

That was at a time when everything was so arbitrary anyway and I am sure there was ample reason to change them. It was to help one country who was struggling inbetween two aggressive ones.

Yes, we changed them in the past but not recently because it tends to annoy people :D

nope but I wouldn't mind to take Mexico instead since we already have so many Mexicans here ;-) Besides before we give it to the Mexicans, we would have to give it to the Irish, Scots, Welsh, English and Germans since those are our true ancestors if you go by the percentage of immigrants who created our country.

Well...in the case of Danzig Poland was quite agressive.
Denying every compromise or negotiations...better start to read a good history book Plastic Pole!
Or start with Wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_City_of_Danzig#Politics


Poland the poor victim again!

Yep, because they needed it.
They were looking after their best interests, can't blame them for that! You should have let them have it awhile, build up their economy, then try to get it back later :P


Yep might as well take the census report and give away the entire country based on that :P

Well..we are doing that right now!

Not now, back then yeah. Now is too late :D

Says who?
It's never to late....Think about it, no borders, the whole of EU the backyard for german products, Germans can settle where they want, soon a Europe of regions instead of nationstates...we did it already! :)

Says Poland because they still need the money. Why not let them build a better ecomony first?

They are already on their way...deeply intertwined
with their german neighbours...no tanks will roll, no bullets will be fired! :):):)

Yaaay!!!

YAAAAY! :)

Stop blaming your misdeeds on Versailles. You put Hitler in power and went along with all his crazy, idiotic ideas. Would you like to also blame Versailles for the Stasi as well?

Without it Hitler would had stayed a failed painter.
Every doku and biography tells you that. Don't invent history here.

google.com/webhp?hl=en#hl=en&safe=off&num=100&newwindow=1&q=Hitler+Treaty+of+Versailles&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g1&fp=IWiWscLtBbU

And of course, if I had been a Danziger I would had volunteered to work for him!

BB, exactly my point. No sane Spaniard would claim modern-day America to be Spanish. BB, do you acknowledge Kosovo to be Serbian? They built it up after all, just like the Prussians did in Danzig.

youtube.com/watch?v=_scokGJga8c

Kosovo's status was changed based on these lies. It's in German language with English subtitles to confirm, BB :) ;)

If Kosovo had a population of 98 percent Serbs no one would dispute their claim.

But as it is it is now 98 percent Albo (and Albos and Serbs don't seem to go along well).
Serbs really "lost" it voluntarily...it's hard to find compassion as it didn't happen overnight.

It would become comparable once Germans re-settle en masse in Danzig till they get the majority again and then campaign for a incorporation into Germany. :)

I won't if you wont.. Look, it would have taken 100 people to take Hitler down. Your people are robots that can't think for themselves. YOU ARE TO BLAME. Not some treaty and sure as hell not the US of A, who basically had to SAVE you from you. Typical Kraut. Danziger? You would volunteer today. You haven't changed one damn bit.

Why should they?
He promised to make things right again. For most Germans he was the knight in the shining armor!


Okay...

YOu still believe that even today, don't you? You are a dangerous people. Admit to this forum you still hold him in high regard even though he almost killed you as a people.

OK, BB. So what if Turkey joined the EU and decided to go, en masse, to Germany and repopulate vast areas. What then? You realise numbers more than building up an area and making contributions?

Well...that's exactly one of the reasons why the common people are against it! :)
No chance of that to happen.....

OK, fair enough. But note the word 'if'. It was a hypothetical question, BB. So, what if Turks did that? Or fuc*ed like rabbits and had many babies in Germany.

Hmmm...can't say really..if it would be quick it would mean the destruction of the Turkey too when so many millions leave the country.

If it happens slowly over the centuries it would need to be seen if the newcomers assimilate/integrate into the host countries or if they want to force the host countries to accomodate to them instead.

I believe in a red line for every human and society.
Down this line every society is able to integrate or even only live side by side with a foreign culture/minority...nearing that line or above there will be clashes and in the end a war for domination.

There can only one culture be the dominant one in a society...the whole concept of a multi-cultural society is so wrong!

The height of said "red line" differs from human to human and from society to society!

Rule of the thumb: The culture of the society should be the dominant one or there will be war.

Now the society of Kosovo is Albanian, that's the dry fact.
To put on the serbian culture to the albanian society would be the reason for much more war and bloodshed.

Like European politicians really care about the evils of war and bloodshed when political and financial gains can be made ;) ;) Come on BB, wakey wakey.

Aha, so it would mean the destruction of Turkey but what about the new position in Germany? Needless to say, the Germans have built up Germany virtually single-handedly. What if all the Turks actually came across and took everything over? You didn't really answer that.

"Can't say really". Aha, so the criteria is numbers or contributions over time? Let us be clear.

I did answer that, Seanie! :)

There would be unrest first and if the current politicians didn't react, chosing to ignore or to downtalk the problem, there would rise up one politician who does not ignore the plight of the people, who promises to do something and they would flock to him.

He would get voted in and at first some laws would be sharpened up and new would be inventend.
Either the newcomers would accomodate or they would get thrown out.
If they decide to protest and to fight the police and special forces would get the nod...

That's how it would be!


PS: Danzig had the german numbers AND the german contributions.

Kosovo now has nearly only Albos the same as Gdansk now has nearly only Poles...both is to be accepted or there would be war and bloodshed!

OK, maybe I was being too hypothetical. Let's examine a real problem, namely the ME. In 2005, the number of Jews in Israel was 5.2 million whereas there were 5.3 million Palestinians. In 2008, the Palestinian population rose by 3% whereas the Jewish one only by 1%. So, more Palestinians.

Now, they are not getting a chance for lebensraum. What if loads of Serbs decided to go into Kosovo to reclaim what they believe to be theirs? Shouldn't the Jews just bow down and acknowledge the greater Palestinian numbers, like Albanians in Kosovo?

Oh, the Prussians were removed from Gdańsk btw. If you raise the argument of age-old contributions, you have to be fair and acknowledge the age-old contributions of Serbia to Kosovo.

That will be their only chance to get Kosovo back some time.
Re-settling I mean, not marching in with their army!!!


Demographics ARE indeed a weapon, Arafat himself recognized that back already.

Skewed demographics will force Jews to either separate the land into two states, one jewish and one palestinian, or to become a pariah apartheid society shunned and isolated by everybody, a minority spending their days suppressing uprisings of the opressed majority!

Remember my rule...the moment Kosovo becomes again a serbian society their culture should and will be the dominant one again!


They were ethnically cleansed you mean.
Show me when and how the serbian majority was cleansed from the Kosovo.

If the Germans had re-settled back to what is now Germany and left Danzig voluntarily during many years till they were only a tiny minority anymore, there wouldn't be much discussion today but that wasn't the case, wasn't it...