Russia: Poland responsible for WW II

Well...we will still be far more populous than Poland...:)


Germany's "fabrication of reasons":

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles


Mean Germans! How dare they to protest!!!

Here now how Serbia was "pushed to the edge by Albanians":


Poor Serbians...

And still much worse off than Poland since you've been losing kids since the 70s, Polish negative trend is neither as long or dramatic relative to its size so while it will affect us it will absolutely devastate your economy.

As for your pretty myths for why you would like WW2 to have started we can do it in a separate topic since people will flock to the topic and it will end up where it always does, you sticking to Versailles, Poles sticking to the facts and everyone agreeing on not agreeing, whatever happened stays happened and i'm seriously going to puke if i have to discuss this particular topic.


Lovely how it only says "dovetailed into ethnic conflict" and doesnt cover the details of what Albanians did to Serbs, of course Serbian responce was absolutely clumsy and they've shot themselves in the foot by commiting genocide but military intervention alone was fully justified.

Recently we had Solomon post some provocative shite on Switzerlands anti-German position, now imagine that the Swiss start carting off their German citizens into the woods, burning them in barns and such and tell me Germany wouldnt invade.

"still much worse off than Poland"???
Erm...are you sharing the same reality with me here Sokrates? :)
Do you really believe Poland lives in a happy bubble?
Germany and Poland are going to be such intertwined in the coming years you better pray Germany is going to be well!


If you call that a "pretty myth" how would you call Serbians reasoning!


The fact that without the new borders, Germany losing 1/4 of their territory, millions placed now in new hostile countries as opressed minorities there wouldn't had been a Hitler or WWII?

That Europe would had been better off in the end without a Poland?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles

Wilson's friend Edward Mandell House, present at the negotiations, wrote in his diary on 29 June 1919:


Just a myth for our smart Sokrates?


But of course Sokrates knows better....


Understandable...


Astounding again as you see Serbian wish for a greater Serbia at the cost of their co-yugoslavs is an acceptable reason for you but Germany's even more dramatic and drastic changes brought on them from the outside are not...

But then...what else to expect!


Depends on who started what sh*it...

Thanks for the addition, Mod. BB is German but you are right. English to reinforce the fact that the account was the same. I spotted a couple of mistakes today in translation between English and Polish and it can be costly.

I'm calling Serbs idiots, not incompetents like our former goverment, just primitive idiots, barring some exceptions their nation and their goverment wouldnt be out of place in some craphole in Africa fighting the angry ******* over who owns their god forsaken land.

However i'm saying thay military intervention, wiping out armed opposition and putting Albanians into place by aiming a tank at their house was completely justified and reasonable, what they did afterwards was not.


If the majority of Serbs are as stupid as Crow and their policies and politics indicate so then i'm obviously not supporting them, and i'm opposed to your biased outlook, Poland fell out of German initiative, many of the "German" lands were taken by force in one period or another and as such our situation with Germany is completely incomparable to the Balkan crap.

The Poland that you cry so much over in the Versaille treaty seized to exist due to your actions so i find it extremely insolent that you quote a treaty that ressurects a country that Germany was instrumental in destroying in the first place.

I won't watch a video Seanie, a film or an internet board is patient...and talk is cheap.
But I would like to study their sources (preferable not from a crowish "They are all out to kill us"-website if possible)


You mean a tiny minority of some few percent is justified using violence and arms to opress a majority of over 90 percent?
Is it that what you want to say?

Well, BB, insult Germans if you wish. That's your perogative. I happened to like what they had to say. I try to be objective. There are many bad things the Serbs did too.

They brought facts, BB. Sharping brought charged BS!

I'm asking you about those facts!
Did they do more than just tell you that they are facts? :)
What sources did they bring?

PS: Calling Sharping a Nazi is hardly objective and also not a sign of sound research...sorry...

PPS: I can show you videos from people KNOWING that Armageddon is underway and that Jesus will come back soon...in the next ten years or so...

and of course everybody but themselves, the allknowing video maker, will die!

PPPS: Why can't Germans be lying fanatic a*ssholes too? Those wannabe terrorists now on trial in Germany who planned to kill as many innocent people as possible in the name of Allah are Germans too...

(I think they too have a video somewhere out there)

Sharping is part of that establishment that spouts lies. Isn't it a nice coincidence that Nazi folks of his ilk were bombing Belgrade in WWII as well?

BB, the video is there for you to make your own judgement. They brought numerous sources.

Also, it doesn't depend on nationality. I happened to see those 2 Germans as credible. They were trying to counterbalance the propaganda of the NATO machine, an impossible task but at least they tried.

You know what happened in WWII in the Balkans, BB. They exterminated Serbs and gave land to the Albos. I was right beside where George W Bush gave his watch to an Albanian kid. Who was this warmonger's grandad? The Nazi funder, Prescott Bush. See a connection??

Erm...I fail to see the connection.
Please help me out here!


And why can't you come up with one?
A website maybe? A book? Anything?


Well...Crowie surely likes them too...:)


Erm...we did???


Nope...can you get more clearer please?

Let's say what Wiki says:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkans_Campaign




Do you mean that?

Where and when did we gave lands to the Albos???

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania

Sharping is doing the bidding of those who have never ditched their Nazi sympathies and leanings. The man, the way he looks and talks, is reminiscent of high-ranking Nazis. He got caught in his own lies by cunning Germans. Watch and learn, the video shows all.

I told you, BB. Any educated person should know that you read the same source and make judgements thereof. I've given you what I saw. No concealment or withholding of evidence on my part. Why do I insist on this approach? Well, it means that we are not pulling 'truths' and 'facts' from books writtten by those who take sides. I've provided something concrete and not a polarised account.

I don't speak for Crow. I speak for good people and those Germans are, based on that film.

Yes, the Nazis were pretty brutal in the Balkans. "We"? You are not a Nazi I presume ;)

Prescott Bush funded the Nazis and was looking for them to do some of the dirty work. Look at George Bush snr, he had no clue on the Balkans at all. They were just Nazi sympathisers.

You tell alot Seanie but no facts....c'mon, gimme some!

Where and when did Germany give lands to the Albos for starters?


Well...he isn't very pretty but you really shouldn't call him a Nazi because of that! :):):)


Erm...as in "the Germans gave lands to the Albos"?
What else do they tell??? :

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania



No Seanie, he didn't! :)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush


Stop watching such crap or you start to sound like Crowie!!! :)

guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
rense.com/general40/bushfamilyfundedhitler.htm
georgewalkerbush.net/bushfamilyfundedhitler.htm

I can get you MANY more, BB. Prescott Bush was a Nazi. BB, let's cut to the chase, why did Bush support the Albos?

The Committee expected the Government of the German Reich to recognise the independence of this united Greater Albania,

and drew his attention to the sovereignty of the new Albania, that we had desired and recognised, from
albanian.com/v4/showthread.php?t=27606

Germany united many fragments from disputed lands.

Why did Roosevelt fight the Nazis???

For your links (did you actually read them)?



And the ADL was saying....



I really would refrain from quoting the rense site or the others if I were you Seanie!
They aren't valuable or helpful in a serious discussion...you could also directly quote from a serbian nationalist forum!


You are quoting a neo-nazi site, ya know....


I'm sure you can. The internet is free and hence also full of nutters!


Even as Albania was the whole time occupied by the Italians???


You mean after the Nazis had won and conquered the whole world? :)

The Italians, LOL. They were not the force that the Nazis were and didn't call the shots there, sorry!

Roosevelt fought the Nazis because he didn't want the Nazis controlling the world, pure and simple. The NWO was not destined to be controlled by those who spoke German.

Even if I stopped quoting Rense, there'd be plenty more. BB, ties are often enough. It's like the modern day 9/11. Why would Bush come out and admit that he killed 3000 Americans? He wouldn't, would he? You need to listen to the evidence of the German intel officer (von Bulow?). He saw the 9/11 truth as others did.

Anyway, back to the thread. Poland was NEVER responsible for WWII.

Well..as it seems the Italians had to much influence.
And the fact stands that Albania was occupied by italian troops and the Albanians fighted their occupier.

When and where did Germany give land to Albania?


Accepted, serious ones? Very doubtful!


As your connection of the Balkan campaign in the forties to the german defense minister 60 years later you mean?
Guilty by nationality? These ties are your arguments?

When will you make the hop over the border of sanity and reason and start to bark also against the "bad false west" and the born bad "germanized" Slavs who are only out to torture the real flower of mankind, the Slavs?


Yeah...why should he?

The Albanians remained neutral with Germany and then struck up a friendship. They helped them at times and you would've known that had you read Neuchmann's account.

Jordan Maxwell are respectable and I posted you a link from them. The ties were strong, BB. Many see it as common knowledge.

Bush was behind 9/11 and that is abundantly clear to me. This is not a 9/11 thread though.

So, BB, let me guess, you think Poland is to blame for housing Jews? You think Poland brought it on themselves?

Well, as far as I know Albania fighted their occupiers in WWII and later adhered to a stalinist style of communism, even later they became much more Mao/china like....

They were pretty isolated even in the communist circles and especially in western Europe.

When did they "struck a friendship" to Germany again? And which Germany?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania#Independence_and_recent_history




Friendship with Germany and land from Germany when exactly????


Well...everybody is free to believe what he wants.
It stops when you call german politicians as Nazis using wild conspiracy-theories!

Read the Neuchmann article I posted, it has all the key details.

BB, Sharping lied. What don't you understand about that? He was like a deer in headlights when shown to be a liar.

What details?
It speaks about a Nazi politician...the Nazi period was quickly over and Albanian was never either a collaborator nor an ally to Nazi Germany.

And after the war...well...no reason for friendship either. And to no time has Germany given land to Albania! Why did you lie Seanus?


What exactly did he say what was a lie?

It also states that the Albanians were very friendly towards the Germans, understood the reasons for the occupation and that they helped.

I told you the lie. The one about the concentration camp that never existed. Also about killing methods. Look at part 5 of the film for what I mean.

Well right now I think you are telling lies...stupid ones at that...fully gulping all this conspirational crap about Bushies founding the Nazis, Bushies behind 9/11, Germans out to destroy holy Serbia since the Nazis, Germans still Nazis etc...I'm losing interest as one can't discuss seriously with someone who believes in the unreasonable!

Amuse yourself Seanie
(Crowie might join you soon anyway)

I didn't say the Bushes founded the Nazis at all. If you don't believe George W Bush knew about 9/11, you are a fool of the highest order. I didn't say the Germans were out to destroy Serbia at all. You just don't understand their history, that's all.

Here, this should help. Oh, you dislike Czechs too? BANNED in the Czech Republic. This is part 5/10 which I am watching now.

Germans still Nazis? What garbage! That couldn't be further from the truth.

Sean that is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. Why would someone think you said Bush founded the nazis?


He did not know about 9/11, Sean. The FBI were on the trail of Atta et al but they were about 100 steps behind. That doesn't mean they knew about it. It means they didn't have what was needed in place to stop it. The FBI were asking about some of the hijackers before 9/11, namely Zacarias Moussaoui, but they didn't have enough info to act because we had laws in place protecting civil liberties.

Now what does 9/11 have to do with Russia accusing Poland of being responsible for WWII?

Look at 276 above, BB thought I said that and I didn't.

I'm not gonna argue 9/11 here. I've got much more evidence than most PF members combined on it.

Exactly, I kept trying to steer BB back onto topic. He loves his rants.

and you are so germanized! :)

He has no idea how it feels to have his spiritual home taken, Crow. He doesn't know how ethnic groups fight for their very survival. I have just watched that 10-part Czech documentary on Kosovo. If he can't feel for the Serbs after that, I don't know when he can. The Albanians took it over through international help. Bush rejoicing with them 2 years ago didn't help.

Still, I maintain a healthy respect for many Albos that I met.

The Polish problem is that Germany and Russia want it :)
It will never become more compilcated than that.

In a nutshell, well put!! They can feck off as they have big enough countries as it is.

Not really there is internal thingy in our culture which is more dangerous then any outside influence.
Germany should have been wiped out and there wouldn't had been any problem .......
Your logic BB !))))