Poland-Russia: never-ending story?

Good response. I've lived there more than year. I thoroughly share all aforesaid. Initially I didn't understand how that might show any ignorance. Ignorance is when people ask me whether I came to the US by plain or by train (from Moscow), or the US was the country that had defeated Hitler, or when people assure me that Srbija is a part of Siberia. :))

Ah, Poland is NO longer a part of Russia anymore - hasn't been, since her independence nearly 2 decades ago...of course, that's stating the obvious.

And - most Americans DO know where Russia is - I've asked many times. Drummed into our heads, including where Moscow is early on.

Bah, why do I even bother on here, I wonder?? I thought we could talk without cutting others down...but then whatever I said next, no matter how sarcastic, would be taken as an insult.

I much prefer my international friends in real life - at least we actually have many things in common, instead of mindless bickering.

Where did you get these figures and have you been to Ukraine? They look good only for Eastern Ukraine, if you mean Western Ukraine or Ukraine on the whole those figures are out of place.

My figures are based on the elections' results.
They differs from East to West but under 1% is the average.

Then, how does it count in this discussion if I've ever been to Ukraine or not ?
Enlighten me pls.

So Yanukovic got just 1% in the elections?

Yanukovich is not UNA/UNSO.

Sorry.Mistake.Yanukovic is the opposite side.I thought you wrote the opposite.Have you ever been in western Ukraine?Do you know what people say about Bandera?Do you think Timoshenko who is popular in the West will ever make a statement about UPA crimes?The guys were given recently pensions by Yushenko government.Is it because they represent only 1% of the population?

Ukraine is divided into two parts.It is obvious to anyone.The numbers in one part do not matter as long as the numbers in the other part are different.(Kiev is another zone).

If 95% of eastern Ukraine condemns UPA crimes,it is likely that they support soviet policy there as well.And it does not matter if 70% of western Ukraine is in favour of Bandera,although the population of this part is considerably lower.Either you accept Bandera,or you want the country split.

You are confusing two different things:
political support for radicals like UNA/UNSO which is rather low even in the Western part and some very strong myth of "freedom fighters" unfortunately represented by Bandera, OUN, UPA.

For the time being it would be counterproductive to fight the myths.
Ukrainian independence is still very young and needs clear lines of historic tradition.
We have to choose:
either we start discussing the past or we consolidate all pro-Western powers in order to keep Ukraine European not Russian.

For me it's some rhetoric question.

Well, partisanen is very bad thing, especially if they are not the same nation as you.

Whether you trust me or not this is your problem. Just stop making false concussions based on my posting. Poles are aware who committed which crimes. Beside of that this is not Ukrainian matters this threads is about.


How do you know this?


Your defense of your country make Russia look even worse than deserve. From how many nationalities Soviet army was composed?

Once again I say "We dont care about how Russia looks like, becouse we are rather self sufficient"

Really?
How many?
How do people know which Bandera Street is which?

OK, so from how many nationalities Soviet army was composed?

very many, but primary it was russians, ukranians and belarussians

So how it was with this communist regime in your opinion, internationalistic or perhaps represented pure Russian national interest?

Lviv Polytechnik university. Stepan Bandera str.12,Lviv.

Sure it was internationalistic in comparisson with those minore despoties which formed after its collaps, such as georgia or turkmenia...all governments in soviet republics were consisted both frof russian and national members.

This is interesting but just one street.

It is the known one because it is very central.There is the building of state university ''Lvivska Polytechnika''.After all Bandera was a cultured man.(just kidding).

Monument to Stepan Bandera in Lviv.Modern statue.

I knew about monument, just I don't know why you insist on few streets named after Bandera in Lviv. One city cannot have more than one street named in the same way.

If so, then please do me a favour and comment this:



Easy. If you'd been there, you might tweak your motiveless reasoning to make them sound at least sufficiently. You obviously haven't.


Lesser, I present you my apologies in case I sounded offensive. I didn't really mean to bully you. Since your point contradicted to other person's one, I'd expected to see your comments on that. The only thing I strive for is a truth. And it may easily matter if somebody tries to pin accusations for the very only Russia. For me justice is not just a set of words. If somebody wants me to be just to him, I may naturally expect equall response. Right? :)

Take care.

More people would know than you'd think - it's from the same folks who promoted the idea of a graduated income tax and public education--among other things.