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ola123  
16 Jul 2007 /  #32
For you world is black and white, we are good and they are bad, we have right to hate them because we have no sins and noone hates us. Im not going to discuss with you anymore, you seem to hate me because Im ukrainian(?) rotfl and Pat for being nazi whatever.
Daisy 3 | 1,225  
16 Jul 2007 /  #33
Bad day today Puzzy?

and you can behave or you'll get another two weeks !
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,340  
16 Jul 2007 /  #34
What???

I didn't say anything....
Puzzler 9 | 1,089  
16 Jul 2007 /  #35
re: one lone american
citizen whos been judged by the puzzler...

- Hm, maybe you should keep silent when there are matters being spoken that you have no clue of?

By the way, its okay to feel anger, even hate, as long as one does not vent them out in a manner very hurtful to others.

But what a hypocrite like you can know about it?
Daisy 3 | 1,225  
16 Jul 2007 /  #36
I didn't say anything....

yes you did and i heard the way you said it

If you don't behave I shall take you to the abuse thread
Puzzler 9 | 1,089  
16 Jul 2007 /  #37
re: Bad day today Puzzy?

- Why would it be a bad day, ye fat schwabian-turkish kolbassa?

On the contrary, very successful.

Im gonna visit Poland in October, then maybe drop into Berlin.

Would you like to meet me and set our differences in a good ol' fashion duel?
:)
PS. You can bring Frau Steinbach as your second.
truhlei 10 | 332  
16 Jul 2007 /  #38
The topic was about Russia, not Germany or Ukraine.
Or we can analyze everything only as schwabian-turkish kolbassa?
Puzzler 9 | 1,089  
16 Jul 2007 /  #39
re: Im not going to discuss with you anymore

- And I reserve the right to comment on your retarded scribblings, just for the perverted fun of it.
:)
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699  
16 Jul 2007 /  #40
Would you like to meet me and set our differences in a good ol' fashion duel?

so now your playing with me??? ur not really meanin any of it?

I am done, so done!!! Liar, lies.. double standards.. you dont know anything but
hate.//

later peeps.. *&^*&^%*^$**&Y(_&)*%*
Puzzler 9 | 1,089  
16 Jul 2007 /  #41
re: Or we can analyze everything only as schwabian-turkish kolbassa

- I was just joking. I hope I wont be kicked out from the forum for that? Don't do that moderator, please. BTW, by the duel I meant a beer-drinking duel. I bet buttburst would drop under the table much earlier than me.:)
Daisy 3 | 1,225  
16 Jul 2007 /  #42
Can everyone try and settle this in a calm rational manner, no name calling or insults - please :)
Puzzler 9 | 1,089  
16 Jul 2007 /  #43
Truhlei, are you actually Russian?

re: I don't find schwabian-turkish kolbassa to be a personal attack. You're ok....for now ;)

-Thanks, moderator. I apologise to all involved, just in case.
truhlei 10 | 332  
16 Jul 2007 /  #44
Truhlei, are you actually Russian?

Yes I'm Russian. I have ancestors among people of RP. Some my relatives were also fusilated by being accused as Polish Spies. Not in 1939. Earlier. The rest had to leave houses in Soviet Union in order to escape from NKVD. Hate me for 1939.
Puzzler 9 | 1,089  
16 Jul 2007 /  #45
Truhlei, take it easy. Its the Russki chauvinists that I, ahem, you know what. Not Russian people like you. I know that in Russia there are some good noble people who, for instance, fight for truth about the Katyn genocide. Take it easy, man. Yes, with somebody like you it's pleasure and honour to talk. So let's talk and see how it goes.

Pozdravlayu.
OP Atilla 1 | 10  
16 Jul 2007 /  #46
2 all
Thanks for your comments. I think i've got a coverage. The more I live the more I realise: people and characters don't differ much, either polish, russian or hondurassian))

2 Puzzler
Dzerzhinsky - one of the top-level bolshevik leaders was Polish and he invented "the War communism" which lead to the terror policy. Some of my ancestors vanished. And I don't blame polish for that. Actually I wouldn't have an idea. Ever.
truhlei 10 | 332  
16 Jul 2007 /  #47
Ledts talk.
Puzzler,
I'm against chauvinism by destroying tre Nation. But I'll never agree the Russian chauvinists killed Poles in Katyn. Russian nationalists were also fusilated by the same authorities which fusilated Poles at Katyn. No Russian spirit governed in NKVD.

Genocide is a murder of an ethnic group or its part. If intellectuals of all ethnic groups are killed that is not a genocide. That is another atrocity we should give a name. Not only Polish intellectuals were fusilated during Soviet rule. Russian, Ukranian Jewish, all intellectual elite of all ethnies.

Katyn is only a part of this crime. For 1937 20000 people was an every two week NKVD work.
Puzzler 9 | 1,089  
16 Jul 2007 /  #48
re: Dzerzhinsky

- Do you mean that Dzierzynski represented Poland?

Or was he a thoroughly Russified Polonophobe?

There was another Bolshevik 'Pole' - Julian Marchlewski.

He invaded Poland with the Bolshevik hordes in 1920.

There were scores of other such Poles, e.g. those who entered Poland with the Russian Army in 1944 and then formed the commie government (protected by the Russian tanks).

We in Poland actually don't consider them Polish at all.

Perhaps just 'Polish' traitors. Our government today tries to put them and their heirs in the proper historical light.

re: Katyn is only a part of this crime. For 1937 20000 people was an every two week NKVD work

- Is it the typical Russian thinking? - 'Lyudiei u nas mnoga.' (No offense, by the way.)

Truhlei, 20000 Polish people is a lot to us Poles.
truhlei 10 | 332  
16 Jul 2007 /  #49
Puzzler,
I want you to know: Politicians in Poland who insist in Katyn genocide determining play a dirty game. They know exactly that it may become a precedent for some xenofobic Russians to quolify mass exterminations of Russians also as genocide. By belonging of considerable part of GPU-NKVD to people from Latvia and Jews.

Some Polish politicians know that and that is in my opinion the main reason they insist. Polish authorities today have problems connected with xenofobia. They will be glad if Russia will have a greater extremist reputation
OP Atilla 1 | 10  
16 Jul 2007 /  #50
Ok. I am going to take a sleep keeping in mind that I'm a "russian beast". You've been very persuasive. I admit.
truhlei 10 | 332  
16 Jul 2007 /  #51
- Is it the typical Russian thinking? - 'Lyudiei u nas mnoga.' (No offense, by the way.)

Truhlei, 20000 Polish people is a lot to us Poles.

20000 Russians is also very much. 20001 is much more. Millions is hardly imaginable. As for each Nation.
But everybody can suffer as Russians.
Matyjasz 2 | 1,544  
16 Jul 2007 /  #52
Blimey, you really did manage to achieve a consensus?!? Wow, nice work. But who are we going to hate now when we like Russians? Oh my God my life so empty...*cries* I know, lets pick a random nation and vent! I'll start... ermmm.... what do you think about... ermmm.... GERMANS! Ha! :P
truhlei 10 | 332  
16 Jul 2007 /  #53
Is it the typical Russian thinking? - 'Lyudiei u nas mnoga.' (No offense, by the way.)

I don't think this is an offence. I'm not afraid of a real offence.
I am only unable to understand what in my post discoveres that I'm of that opinion. I also stated that for me Katyn is only a part of communism crime
Puzzler 9 | 1,089  
16 Jul 2007 /  #54
Truhlei, oops, your post has almost made me truhlei.... :)

What do you mean when you assert that 'politicians in Poland who insist in Katyn genocide determining play a dirty game'? What politicians (give ther names)? What 'dirty game'? Why would 'it' become a precedent for 'some xenophobic Russians' who would qualify 'mass exterminations of Russans also as genocide'? What mass exterminatons of Russians? And why regarding those mass exterminations as genocide would be something bad? If the Polish politcians are helping to qualify mass exterminations as genocide I'd say they're doing a good job, aren't they? What do some Polish politicians know and what is the main reason that they insist? Insist on what? What do you mean that Polish authorities have problems connected with xenophobia'? Any facts in this matter? Why on earth would they be glad if Russia had 'a greater extremist population'? Any facts in this matter as well?
blackadder 1 | 114  
16 Jul 2007 /  #55
Ok. I am going to take a sleep keeping in mind that I'm a "russian beast". You've been very persuasive. I admit.

what do you think about slavic union idea?and do you think kosovo should have independence?
Matyjasz 2 | 1,544  
16 Jul 2007 /  #56
Sorry to cut in, but me thinks that will never happen. At least not in the near future.
truhlei 10 | 332  
16 Jul 2007 /  #57
What mass exterminatons of Russians?

I find it difficuft even to enumerate shortly. There are books of manu volumens only enumerating mass executions of people in Russia. Such as Gulag by Solzenycyn translated into Polish. I'm sure you also know about that even if you can quote the frase that We have lots of people.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161  
16 Jul 2007 /  #58
Grzegorz, you are confirming my post, aren't you?

No. I simply pointed the mirror at you and If you don't like It then It really does say something. Living in a quasi-totalitarian state with a cult of personality of your master that's not really surprising.
truhlei 10 | 332  
16 Jul 2007 /  #59
And why regarding those mass exterminations as genocide would be something bad?

A genocide is a crime aimed to kill representatives of a concrete ethnic grup for its common reduction. Of one or some ethnic groups, not the intellectuals of all ethnicities as it was during communist rule.

If the Polish politcians are helping to qualify mass exterminations as genocide I'd say they're doing a good job, aren't they?

If it is a real genocide as qualified by 1947 Convention. The mass murder of upper social groups (intellectuals) for gouverning later over workers and peasants is not a genocide (Polish publicist A. de Lazari is of the same opinion). It is the crime of the same danger but it requires its own term
Puzzler 9 | 1,089  
16 Jul 2007 /  #60
Truhlei, so you mean the Russians who were murdered during communism? I've read Solzhenitsyn many times; I often reach for 'The Gulag Archpelago.' I remember reading its first American edton, and then a Polish one published in Paris by the emigre Polish

publishing house Kultura, in, if I remember it rght, 1977.

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