Poland-Russia: never-ending story?

Sorry I thought I'd deleated the first quote, that came out all wrong, in a hurry to get to work and avoid the rain *failed miserably drip*

I meant Schopenhauer was a butthead. But there's soem group therapy in the book where a lot of anger and hatred gets spewed up, but people manage to resolve stuff in the process

re: it was russia which reesteblished Polish state in 1945 !!!

- Its nothing to be proud of. You screwed us for ages by forcing us to take in a chunk of Germany. Then durng communism you blackmailed us that if we don't stick with you, the Germans would invade us to grab their land back.

How many divisions you kept in East Germany, on the West German border?

Come on, Kostia, be honest about it.
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And what do you wish to do with this power?

re: hate is a fate of losers

- Only if it does one harm, that is, when it is not let go eventually.

Well, and human affairs show that Fate works in such a way that losers become winners, often without any effort on their part.

That's what the great Leo Tolstoy mentions somewhere, doesn't he?
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By the way, the Russians are incomparably less prejudiced towards us than the Germans. The Russians don't consider us inferior to them. That's something.

Maybe, but this one seems to want Poland back! :)

I think he didn't get enough hugs or something.....such a kranky one! :)

To hate Americans? Damn, no !!! We have a different education system than in the US...I was taught to hate an American imperialism not Americans. As to Poles, I remember that our history books drummed into our heads that Tadeush Kostusko was a hero not only for Poles but even for Russians and that Polish uprisings in XIX was a good acts... ravings of a madman...

You know, that's just not how it feels when I'm talking with you. Especially if the conversation is taking place in the US Missle Base thread! I think you'd be happier if the US (AND ALL THE PPL IN IT) was just wiped off the map. But I don't feel that way about Russia!

re: our history books drummed into our heads that Tadeush Kostusko was a hero not only for Poles but even for Russians and that Polish uprisings in XIX was a good acts... ravings of a madman...

- You mean Soviet history books depicted it so? Yes the Soviets depicted the tsars and tsarism (which they had overthrown) as oppressive to many nations. It was actually true, but did not prevent the Soviets from oppressing peoples even worse than the tsar had done. From the Soviet viewpoint, the Kosciuszko uprising aganst the Russian occupiers was good for both Poles and Russians. But from your viewpoint its 'ravings of a madman?'

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In your misfortunes, you must blame only you or exactly your ancestors. They lose the State only thanks to their swagger and lack of foresight! Not Russians but your own unruly gentry were true killers of independence.

re: Not Russians but your own unruly gentry

- Yep, our 'unruly gentry' partitioned Poland together with the Germans n the late 1700s and kept us off the map until 1918. :)

Is it what they taught you in your Soviet schools too?
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So, Russians were forced to interfere in Polish affairs to prevent consequences of polish giddiness. We never want your lands or your poor peasants, but we never want to face with the fact that this " treasures" will be in the hands of Germans

Giddiness! What giddiness? Speak English CK :)

What a nonsense!!! We just want to cut US claims to interfer in Europe life! WE JUST ANOTHER PAN OF THE WORLD EQUILIBRIUM.


OK! "thoughtlessness"

Your trying to be funny ?

Generally Russia can't be treated seriosly. You were spreading crap after we decided to join NATO and what happened ? Nothing, just like in many other cases... Now we don't really give a damn. The best exampel is this topic, which would have been left with 0 posts If some other Russian didn't start the discussion.

And that happens by default.....anything or everything we do? :) So we just have no interactions with Europe? I wonder what effects would come of that? What do you think?

re: So, Russians were forced to interfere in Polish affairs to prevent consequences of polish giddiness

- Da, da, every time the Russkies invade somebody, they give the same reason: we came for your good. The reply is: let us care for our good, take your dirty paws away from us we dont need you.

re: We never want your lands or your poor peasants

- Then why you sat on our backs for 200 years? :)

re 'poor peasants.'

- Sez who?! :))))))

re: but we never want to face with the fact that this " treasures" will be in the hands of Germans

- This 'treasure' will be where it wants to be, its not your shootty affair. It may be even with the Germans. In spite of their stupid racism, they have never treated us as terribly as you have. You have been thousand times worse invaders than them, also as regards your nvasion of Germany and the way you treated their women. Only an utter beast does things like that. Your commie crimes are thousand times worse than the Nazi crimes.

And who profited from all the "good" that was spread?

re: We just want to cut US claims to interfer in Europe life

- Do want it to your heart's (dis)content. But you're too weak, poor muzhiks, to make your desires get fulfilled. The Yanks have beat you up in the Cold War and they actually have you under their heal now. You're no match to them any more and never shall be. They won't allow you to grow overly strong any more. It's what they did with the Germans having won WWII.

It's you, Russkies, who are the losers this time. You can only whine, rattle your outdated sabres, and try to annoy the Yanks by associating with the likes of the Chinese. But you cant do any real harm to the Yanks. You don't have one hundreth of their genius. Youre just plain stupid compared to them. When the world gets to understand this clearly, every one will laugh at you.

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re: And who profited from all the "good" that was spread?

- Great bright queston, hon! Right on the money hon! - The reply is: nothing, nichs, neetschevo.

Thats the difference between the Russkies and Americans: where the latter come, in spite of some harm, everybody benefits eventually. Where the Russkies come, nobody benefits, including themselves.

Isnt it stupidity? - and these folks are arrogant enough to dream of outdoing the Americans.

Dream on, teddy bear.
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We never invided in any country, it was just attempts to cure some disease in neighbours states. Could you remind me some Russian attacks on the other states exept Poland?

Joke ?

re: Could you remind me some Russian attacks on the other states exept Poland?

- Are you kidding? What chutzpah indeed. - How about the Caucasus? How about the Baltic states? How about Afghanistan? How about war-mongering abroad - in Africa, South America, Asia during communism?

Which? Which state?

How about grabbing the rest of so-called Eastern Europe, e.g. Czechoslovakia, Hungary (e.g. 1956 - they love you there for that)?

How about invading Finland?

What? Baltic states? It's Polish appendix!!! Caucasus? Which state do you mean at Caucasus? I thought that it was US who interfere in Asia and South Am.!!!


It's normal practice, and remember that Poland invades in Cz. too before WWII


It never been enslaved, it was preventiv war to protect Leningrad in the eve of WWII

I would have said it was abnormal practice

So! My dear Polish brothers! You are a liers !!! In your passions toward us I feel some seeds of love and admiration!! Tank you, we love you too!!

He he - that's an unfortunate typo. Which tanks are you referring to - T 54s?

CK you are too twisted for color TV! :)

(That's a quote from the movie Steel Magnolias, which I'm sure you haven't seen, but it seemed appropriate here!)

oh sorry, my bad English, i mean "thank you"

Sure you did! We believe you....of course. :)