For you world is black and white, we are good and they are bad, we have right to hate them because we have no sins and noone hates us. Im not going to discuss with you anymore, you seem to hate me because Im ukrainian(?) rotfl and Pat for being nazi whatever.
re: Or we can analyze everything only as schwabian-turkish kolbassa
- I was just joking. I hope I wont be kicked out from the forum for that? Don't do that moderator, please. BTW, by the duel I meant a beer-drinking duel. I bet buttburst would drop under the table much earlier than me.:)
Yes I'm Russian. I have ancestors among people of RP. Some my relatives were also fusilated by being accused as Polish Spies. Not in 1939. Earlier. The rest had to leave houses in Soviet Union in order to escape from NKVD. Hate me for 1939.
Truhlei, take it easy. Its the Russki chauvinists that I, ahem, you know what. Not Russian people like you. I know that in Russia there are some good noble people who, for instance, fight for truth about the Katyn genocide. Take it easy, man. Yes, with somebody like you it's pleasure and honour to talk. So let's talk and see how it goes.
2 all Thanks for your comments. I think i've got a coverage. The more I live the more I realise: people and characters don't differ much, either polish, russian or hondurassian))
2 Puzzler Dzerzhinsky - one of the top-level bolshevik leaders was Polish and he invented "the War communism" which lead to the terror policy. Some of my ancestors vanished. And I don't blame polish for that. Actually I wouldn't have an idea. Ever.
Ledts talk. Puzzler, I'm against chauvinism by destroying tre Nation. But I'll never agree the Russian chauvinists killed Poles in Katyn. Russian nationalists were also fusilated by the same authorities which fusilated Poles at Katyn. No Russian spirit governed in NKVD.
Genocide is a murder of an ethnic group or its part. If intellectuals of all ethnic groups are killed that is not a genocide. That is another atrocity we should give a name. Not only Polish intellectuals were fusilated during Soviet rule. Russian, Ukranian Jewish, all intellectual elite of all ethnies.
Katyn is only a part of this crime. For 1937 20000 people was an every two week NKVD work.
- Do you mean that Dzierzynski represented Poland?
Or was he a thoroughly Russified Polonophobe?
There was another Bolshevik 'Pole' - Julian Marchlewski.
He invaded Poland with the Bolshevik hordes in 1920.
There were scores of other such Poles, e.g. those who entered Poland with the Russian Army in 1944 and then formed the commie government (protected by the Russian tanks).
We in Poland actually don't consider them Polish at all.
Perhaps just 'Polish' traitors. Our government today tries to put them and their heirs in the proper historical light.
re: Katyn is only a part of this crime. For 1937 20000 people was an every two week NKVD work
- Is it the typical Russian thinking? - 'Lyudiei u nas mnoga.' (No offense, by the way.)
Truhlei, 20000 Polish people is a lot to us Poles.
Puzzler, I want you to know: Politicians in Poland who insist in Katyn genocide determining play a dirty game. They know exactly that it may become a precedent for some xenofobic Russians to quolify mass exterminations of Russians also as genocide. By belonging of considerable part of GPU-NKVD to people from Latvia and Jews.
Some Polish politicians know that and that is in my opinion the main reason they insist. Polish authorities today have problems connected with xenofobia. They will be glad if Russia will have a greater extremist reputation
Blimey, you really did manage to achieve a consensus?!? Wow, nice work. But who are we going to hate now when we like Russians? Oh my God my life so empty...*cries* I know, lets pick a random nation and vent! I'll start... ermmm.... what do you think about... ermmm.... GERMANS! Ha! :P
Is it the typical Russian thinking? - 'Lyudiei u nas mnoga.' (No offense, by the way.)
I don't think this is an offence. I'm not afraid of a real offence. I am only unable to understand what in my post discoveres that I'm of that opinion. I also stated that for me Katyn is only a part of communism crime
Truhlei, oops, your post has almost made me truhlei.... :)
What do you mean when you assert that 'politicians in Poland who insist in Katyn genocide determining play a dirty game'? What politicians (give ther names)? What 'dirty game'? Why would 'it' become a precedent for 'some xenophobic Russians' who would qualify 'mass exterminations of Russans also as genocide'? What mass exterminatons of Russians? And why regarding those mass exterminations as genocide would be something bad? If the Polish politcians are helping to qualify mass exterminations as genocide I'd say they're doing a good job, aren't they? What do some Polish politicians know and what is the main reason that they insist? Insist on what? What do you mean that Polish authorities have problems connected with xenophobia'? Any facts in this matter? Why on earth would they be glad if Russia had 'a greater extremist population'? Any facts in this matter as well?
I find it difficuft even to enumerate shortly. There are books of manu volumens only enumerating mass executions of people in Russia. Such as Gulag by Solzenycyn translated into Polish. I'm sure you also know about that even if you can quote the frase that We have lots of people.
No. I simply pointed the mirror at you and If you don't like It then It really does say something. Living in a quasi-totalitarian state with a cult of personality of your master that's not really surprising.
And why regarding those mass exterminations as genocide would be something bad?
A genocide is a crime aimed to kill representatives of a concrete ethnic grup for its common reduction. Of one or some ethnic groups, not the intellectuals of all ethnicities as it was during communist rule.
If the Polish politcians are helping to qualify mass exterminations as genocide I'd say they're doing a good job, aren't they?
If it is a real genocide as qualified by 1947 Convention. The mass murder of upper social groups (intellectuals) for gouverning later over workers and peasants is not a genocide (Polish publicist A. de Lazari is of the same opinion). It is the crime of the same danger but it requires its own term
Truhlei, so you mean the Russians who were murdered during communism? I've read Solzhenitsyn many times; I often reach for 'The Gulag Archpelago.' I remember reading its first American edton, and then a Polish one published in Paris by the emigre Polish
publishing house Kultura, in, if I remember it rght, 1977.