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Calicoe  2 | 133  
24 Mar 2009 /  #271
We aren't talking about descendants and great-grandparents: we are talking about the people who used to live in houses which still stand today but who are offered nothing as compensation for the theft of their property. I would be quite happy to see a limit imposed on compensation claims in Poland that nobody could claim more than one generation back.

Well, wait a minute, how about the Israelis and settlers give back the houses and properties they stole from Palestinians. Don't do one thing with your left hand, while calling foul with your right.
Rafal_1981  
24 Mar 2009 /  #272
Okay...why do you want to keep posting that?

"New link (the last one is broken)"

don't you see how bad it makes Polish people look???????

I think that everyone has the right to know the facts. Let people speak (and think) for themselves HatefulBunch

Is posts like yours that keep reminding people over and over they should hate the Polish.

I don't see a relevance (but you can hate me if you want for posting a simple facts)

Perhaps that would explain why the article you link to is so boring.

If you want a sensation - read "Fear" by J.T.Gross (less facts, pure sensation): amazon.com/review/RV0JHXVXOBI32

only the truth is interesting
Harry  
24 Mar 2009 /  #273
Well, wait a minute, how about the Israelis and settlers give back the houses and properties they stole from Palestinians.

That is fine with me.

Although it would set a rather dangerous precedent that would lead to Poland needing to return large chunks of what used to be Germany and were given to Poland on the basis that Germany had attacked Poland....
Calicoe  2 | 133  
24 Mar 2009 /  #274
Oh, did Poland ever demand or receive reparations from anyone other than a part of what had already been taken from her previously?
Harry  
24 Mar 2009 /  #275
a part of what had already been taken from her previously?

If we're using that logic, Israel doesn't need to give the West Bank or Gaza back.
Sokrates  8 | 3335  
24 Mar 2009 /  #276
Although it would set a rather dangerous precedent that would lead to Poland needing to return large chunks of what used to be Germany and were given to Poland on the basis that Germany had attacked Poland....

These lands have been taken by Germany and Austria FROM Poland in the first place so yes Poland received its lands back, the only precedent here is for you to get an education :-)
Calicoe  2 | 133  
24 Mar 2009 /  #277
If we're using that logic, Israel doesn't need to give the West Bank or Gaza back.

We're talking actual history that is documented by all, not the history written by temple elites and the self-proclaimed chosen ones.
Harry  
24 Mar 2009 /  #278
These lands have been taken by Germany and Austria FROM Poland in the first place so yes Poland received its lands back, the only precedent here is for you to get an education :-)

When are the police coming to arrest me? I've been waiting for weeks for them to come and collect me after you reported me to them for the crime of talking about the pre-WWII and post-WWII Polish concentration camps. Be a good boy and give them another call.

As for Pomerania and Prussia, Poland needs to give the land back to the Pomerians and Prussians which Poles took it from before the German took it from the Poles (and held it for 600 years).
Calicoe  2 | 133  
24 Mar 2009 /  #279
As for Pomerania and Prussia, Poland needs to give the land back to the Pomerians and Prussians which Poles took it from before the German took it from the Poles (and held it for 600 years).

Right, well them to call up Russia to give them back their country, and then they can just return everything to Poland and Lithuania anyway.

Cheers.
Sokrates  8 | 3335  
24 Mar 2009 /  #280
As for Pomerania and Prussia, Poland needs to give the land back to the Pomerians and Prussians which Poles took it from before the German took it from the Poles (and held it for 600 years).

Ah but we did! Their descendants live here today, of course they mostly speak Polish:)
Harry  
24 Mar 2009 /  #281
Rubbish. Most of the people who live in Pomerainia and Prussia are from families which arrived there in 1945-7
1jola  14 | 1875  
24 Mar 2009 /  #282
Where did they arrive from?
Harry  
24 Mar 2009 /  #283
Most of the people I knew when I lived in Pomerania were from families which were originally from Ukraine but were moved to Pomerania when Poland moved across the map of Europe. I haven't lived in Prussia but have spent a fair bit of time there. From what I can tell a lot of the families there are from what is now Belarus and some from what is now Ukraine.
Sokrates  8 | 3335  
24 Mar 2009 /  #284
Rubbish. Most of the people who live in Pomerainia and Prussia are from families which arrived there in 1945-7

True, before that most people in Pomerania and Prussia were those who arrived during 1720 were Prussians who displaced Poles living there under Samborites so we're back to square one, Germans displacing Poles and Poles returning to their old lands :)
HatefulBunch397  - | 658  
24 Mar 2009 /  #285
How does Singer's ridiculous threats make Poles look bad? Hello??

It looks bad posting it here on this forum then people connect it to Polish and they become bias and develop a prejudice and think we are evil collaborators HEEEEELLLLLLOOOOO??????

And those of you posting it over and over, it just looks like you are boosting or something, proud of it somehow. IT LOOKS REALLY BAD!!!!
z_darius  14 | 3960  
24 Mar 2009 /  #286
As for Pomerania and Prussia, Poland needs to give the land back to the Pomerians and Prussians which Poles took it from before the German took it from the Poles (and held it for 600 years).

I never knew Poland took Prussia from Prussians. Weren't that Teutonic Knights who partly exterminated and partly Germanized Prussians? Thus Poland didn't take Prussia from Prussia but from Germans. There are no surviving Prussians to return the land to. If I am not mistaken the last native Prussian died in the second half of the 18th century.
Sokrates  8 | 3335  
24 Mar 2009 /  #287
Thus Poland didn't take Prussia from Prussia but from Germans.

Thats wrong, the population and local goverments of Prussia were majorly Polish (but serving the Teutonic order) Kondrad Mazowiecki was crusading against Prussians and settling Poles there, eventually the surviving Prussians mixed with Poles, both of which were granted to the Teutonic Order as teritory so the correct order would be.

Polish prince gives Prussia to Teutons (who were not ethnically German, though majority of them were).

Teutons lose Prussia to Poland.

Prussia(country) takes over Prussia(region)in 1720.

Poland gets in back in 1945.

As for Poznań it was always Polish and was taken by Germans during the partitions so Poland actually reclaimed both its native regions and Harry is as always looking stupid:)
Randal  1 | 577  
24 Mar 2009 /  #288
There is a huge shopping mall here called the King of Prussia Mall. This always seemed odd to me.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11820  
24 Mar 2009 /  #289
There are no surviving Prussians to return the land to.

Erm....I rather think most got converted rather than killed, but still...the pagan people "Prussians" vanished..

Thats wrong, the population and local goverments of Prussia were majorly Polish (but serving the Teutonic order) Kondrad Mazowiecki was crusading against Prussians and settling Poles

Isn't that a contradiction?
Are you mixing up the original Prussians with later Poles?

Wouldn't it be better to stop this "What belongs to whom?"
Facts are the country what now is Poland was settled by non-Poles for millennias.
For centuries it was heavily mixed...so this whole discussion is fruitless!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Poland

"Peoples belonging to numerous archeological cultures identified with Celtic, Germanic and Baltic tribes lived in and migrated through various parts of the territory that now constitutes Poland from about 400 BC."

Expanding and moving out of their homeland in Scandinavia and northern Germany the Germanic people settled this territory and used it as migrating route for several centuries.
Many Germanic tribes moved out of the area in the southern and eastern directions, while other remained. As the Roman Empire was nearing its collapse and the nomadic peoples invading from the east destroyed, damaged or destabilized the various Germanic cultures and societies, the Germanic people left eastern and central Europe for the safer and wealthier southern and western parts of the continent. The northeast corner of modern Poland's territory was and remained populated by Baltic tribes.

....so we're back to square one, Germans displacing Poles and Poles returning to their old lands :)

No we aren't! When you take only the known facts the Poles are the late comer in this region...and look where the border now is!
Sokrates  8 | 3335  
24 Mar 2009 /  #290
Isn't that a contradiction?
Are you mixing up the original Prussians with later Poles?

Not at all i'll be a bit clearer, once Konrads Polish troops together with Teutonic knights broke and destroyed the Prussian culture the survivors mixed with Poles.

Wouldn't it be better to stop this "What belongs to whom?"

I'm only really kicking at Harrys general direction, it belonged to Prussians, Poles, Germans, now its Polish thats all there is to it for me.

the pagan people "Prussians" vanished..

We exterminated them (which conversely dispels myths of Polish ineficiency since a large part of the invading/exterminating/converting crusaders were Konrads Poles and it was a pretty efficient genocide).
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11820  
24 Mar 2009 /  #291
I'm only really kicking at Harrys general direction, it belonged to Prussians, Poles, Germans,

I wish we all could agree on that! :)
1jola  14 | 1875  
24 Mar 2009 /  #292
Israel Singer, General Secretary of the World Jewish Congress stated that "More than three million Jews died in Poland and the Polish people are not going to be the heirs of the Polish Jews. We are never going to allow this. (...) They're gonna hear from us until Poland freezes over again. If Poland does not satisfy Jewish claims it will be "publicly attacked and humiliated" in the international forum.

1jola:
How does Singer's ridiculous threats make Poles look bad? Hello??

HB:
It looks bad posting it here on this forum then people connect it to Polish and they become bias and develop a prejudice and think we are evil collaborators HEEEEELLLLLLOOOOO??????

And those of you posting it over and over, it just looks like you are boosting or something, proud of it somehow. IT LOOKS REALLY BAD!!!!

While it isn't a crime to be dumb, it is nearly criminal to display it publicly. You are free to post any examples of kind words Jews throw toward us and leave it us to post the hate messages they drivel.

You do agree that he is trying to blackmail Poland, don't you? Should we be quiet about it, Hateful?
HatefulBunch397  - | 658  
24 Mar 2009 /  #293
You do agree that he is trying to blackmail Poland, don't you? Should we be quiet about it, Hateful?

Nobody is trying to blackmail anybody, just challenging some of the idiocy posted on here. Not everyone is like you. To all objective observers: a disclaimer the antisemitic views expressed in some of the posts on PF do not represent the opinions of all Polish everywhere.
Sokrates  8 | 3335  
24 Mar 2009 /  #294
Nobody is trying to blackmail anybody

just challenging some of the idiocy posted on here

Why arent you challenging his idiocy yet feel obliged to challenge whats posted here?
HatefulBunch397  - | 658  
24 Mar 2009 /  #295
I challenge the idiocy involved in posting the same information over and over just to encite emotional responses and to make the Polish look bad especially since it's info that's been posted previously and info those keeping up with the forum most likely, have already read.
Sokrates  8 | 3335  
24 Mar 2009 /  #296
the same information over and over just to encite emotional responses

Why dont you challenge the holocaust franchise then? Its repeated over and over to incite emotional responses yet i dont see you fighting it at all, yet when Poles defend themselves against slanderous comments by Jews you feel obliged to step in and criticize us on behalf of our supposed prejudice against Jews, why the double standards?

the Polish look bad especially since it's info that's been posted previously and info those keeping up with the forum most likely, have already read.

So could you please post examples of threads that are anti-semitic? You could not? Maybe its because there's none?
1jola  14 | 1875  
24 Mar 2009 /  #297
Nobody is trying to blackmail anybody

If Poland does not satisfy Jewish claims it will be "publicly attacked and humiliated" in the international forum.

By any standard this is called blackmail. Your concern is that it looks bad to point that out.

Sockrates,

You potential antisemite, you.
z_darius  14 | 3960  
24 Mar 2009 /  #298
Polish prince gives Prussia to Teutons (who were not ethnically German, though majority of them were).

That is not precise.

In 1226 Duke Konrad I of Masovia invited the Teutonic Knights, a German military order of crusading knights, headquartered in the Kingdom of Jerusalem at Acre, to conquer the Baltic Prussian tribes on his borders.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussia#Early_history

In the 13th century Konrad of Masovia had called for Crusades and tried for years to conquer Prussia, but failed. Thus the pope set up further crusades. Finally he invited the Teutonic Knights to fight the inhabitants of Prussia in exchange for a fief of Chełmno Land. Prussia was conquered by the Teutonic Knights during the Prussian Crusade and administered within their monastic state.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussia_(region)#Teutonic_Knights

Konrad and Mazovians were chickenshits and they could never offer Prussia to the Knights because Prussians beat the living crap out of Mazovians.

I rather think most got converted rather than killed, but still...the pagan people "Prussians" vanished..

I don't know the numbers but I guess eventually Prussians decided it would be easier to learn German than to expel the Knights.
HatefulBunch397  - | 658  
24 Mar 2009 /  #299
By any standard this is called blackmail. Your concern is that it looks bad to point that out.

But don't you think maybe some of these posts are doing the job for them? Who needs the WJC when some of these posts look so bad it's an embarrassment to Polish anyway?
Sokrates  8 | 3335  
24 Mar 2009 /  #300
That is not precise.

Gah! Away with you! You're going to lure Harry and he's going to get the thread off track again.

But don't you think maybe some of these posts are doing the job for them?

WHICH POSTS? Its getting tiresome dude so i'll be direct, there's very very few posts and no threads that are anti-semitic, you're pulling stuff from your ass because you lack any argument and constructive criticism of Jewish statements is not only not anti-semitic but welcome since we as people who are being slandered are not intent on simply bending over and taking it all in silence.

Who needs the WJC when some of these posts look so bad it's an embarrassment to Polish anyway?

Again which posts? Which threads? Why the bloody fudge are you lying? Its pathetic when you lack arguments you resort to simple slander.

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