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German POWs after WW2 - did the allies commit mass murder?


Seanus 15 | 19,706  
10 Nov 2008 /  #211
I still know the theory but I know that reality is different. I may not get a shot at disabling my attacker but I'd try. Of course people get cut in knife fights, this isn't an award ceremony where they get medals.

U really don't read my postings, do u? I even said I'd run into difficulties but u just jumped that part. Ur 'analysis' of knife fights is nothing that I didn't know already.

I was talking about protective vests for guns. It kinda hands the advantage to the PO rather than his assailant.
gtd 3 | 639  
10 Nov 2008 /  #212
I do read your posts man...I think you have the wrong idea about tools and weapons. You are trying to justify your disdain for guns by saying a knife is easier for you to survive. Not always true and still not to the point.

You are also talking about a specific situation. Most people are not armed to a higher level than their attackers NOR do they wear any protective gear.

I am saying being allowed to carry a gun for self defense helps to mitigate that disparity. Fights are not fair...and if you are in a fair one you have made a mistake.

If you can get rid of all bad guys I will agree we can put down guns for self defense.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
10 Nov 2008 /  #213
Not always true, no, but usually yes. As you said, some civilians are well trained and can hit you more easily with a bullet. Also, you can sometimes outsprint a knife-wielding assailant but u won't escape a bullet in most situations.

OK, then tell me this. Why do most Americans not carry a gun with them at all times? They know that there is a chance they will be attacked so why not be safe rather than sorry?
gtd 3 | 639  
10 Nov 2008 /  #214
Why do most Americans not carry a gun with them at all times?

Many reasons,

Laziness, it's not always comfortable, fear of the weapon, denial....just like why a lot of people don't wear safety belts in cars or helmets on motorcycles. It is not mysterious.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
10 Nov 2008 /  #215
Laziness? Aha, so fear of death from a 'bad guy' is not enough to get them out of this laziness?

Fear of the weapon? There are instructions inside. And safety catches

Denial? I wonder if they think about that when a gun is being pointed at their head?
gtd 3 | 639  
10 Nov 2008 /  #216
Come on man...you know what I meant.

Laziness to bother putting it on and carrying it around...it is not always comfortable to have to conceal it and have it there. People get complacent as the odds are you will never need it. Just like the safety belt...we get lazy about it if it hasn't become a habit.

Some people fear weapons...it is their issue not the gun's.

Denial that they would ever need it. But right..when they need it they will surely wish they had been more aware.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
10 Nov 2008 /  #217
Putting it on? This ain't like putting on full Scottish attire, now that's a ritual. Tying those friggin shoes and getting everything in the right place, phew! We are prepared to go through it as the end result is super. I imagine the end result of life saving to be still more important.
gtd 3 | 639  
10 Nov 2008 /  #218
I imagine the end result of life saving to be still more important.

Right the end result of life saving is more important. And that is why people should be allowed to carry for self defense.

And yeah it is uncomfortable at times to have an extra kg of metal and leather poking you in the side or strapped on your ankle and having to keep it hidden properly. That is not a good enough reason not to have it.

I have no problem if you wish to exercise your right to NOT carry a gun. But you have no foothold to interfere with MY right to do so.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
10 Nov 2008 /  #219
U r in Poland now, relax guy. I wasn't denying ur constitutional right to possess one. I was just questioning the logic of that provision.
gtd 3 | 639  
10 Nov 2008 /  #220
U r in Poland now, relax guy

Yes and I think the laws here are ridiculous and fascist. I think the European mindset to self defense is pathetic and that criminals are afforded more rights than normal people often...look at the UK where people have gotten in trouble for fighting and hurting people that broke into THEIR homes...or the Police telling you to leave gates open to prevent a bad guy breaking it or hurting himself climbing over it. The whole mindset is wrong.

I saw a Policeman the other day here holding his pistol by the trigger guard dangling under his hand with some files in his hand. Anyone with sense knows that is a stupid thing to do and you should never be so careless with a firearm loaded or not. I have no faith in the powers that be to protect me here. Even if you got a good one responding he wouldn't get there in time. Hell I have called the emergency numbers a time or two for accidents and once for a very big fight and got put on hold and never answered. You can't count on others to keep you safe.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
10 Nov 2008 /  #221
Now we have some common ground. Trust me, I studied the case law. 5 years of law, I kind of got to grips with it.

First off, France. There was a case from Marseille. A guy, whose house was often broken into, stumbled across the idea of planting a bomb there. He progressively marked parts of his house, saying beware of the bomb. The burglars paid no heed and found a cabinet which read, 'Don't open, bomb inside'. They proceeded to open it and BOOM. The house owner was found guilty. Weird!!

You are right about the UK. In Scotland, u cannot put glass on ur walls to protect ur property (tho many do). I found that that didn't square with the time-held notion that a man's property (home) is his castle.

There are some rules against the criminal tho. For example, the 'thin skull' rule. It holds that even though you don't intend to inflict serious damage on a suspect by using less force, if they fall down and collapse then you will be liable for any resulting brain damage. This is designed to protect OAP's. The contact can be slight but that doesn't excuse the criminal.
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699  
11 Nov 2008 /  #222
Then u shouldn't assume Pat19. Look at BB's posting above,

I didnt assume anything , your wrote it and I responded..

maybe your the one who is very 'pyskatliwa' even though I dont know what that means, I am sure it isnt very nice.

but I ain't standing for it.

neither will I, especially when you talk double standards.. you applaud the men but you are against having any kind of day which salutes their efforts of keeping our families safe..

you know as well as I do, during war, people die, its awful, gutwrenching , we all hate it as do the men who have to go, who do what their country tells them to do.. unfortunately, theres casulties, what I dont get is how you can say that and just be referring to vietnam and Iraq when wars have been going on for centuries and before technology and before we all became smarter as a nation, they used to ambush one another, and women and children would die in the midst of battle because thats what people do to have power.. if anything you should have said, minus our greedy leaders, I salute our war heros that do protect our citizens.

without them you wouldnt be alive today.

I wasnt the only one who became defensive over your post.. I am sure I wont be the last.. we only asked that you please think before typing, maybe you didnt mean it, but you didnt say it in a way that was understood correctly and it was easy to mis-read your post.. so get off your high horse ya du/pa.
gtd 3 | 639  
11 Nov 2008 /  #223
maybe your the one who is very 'pyskatliwa' even though I dont know what that means, I am sure it isnt very nice.

I think it means 'mouthy' etc....but can't be positive as I am not a native speaker.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
11 Nov 2008 /  #224
How do soldiers in Iraq protect ur people in America? U still haven't answered this.

Well, I qualified it without doing a U-turn, I explained all to shopgirl. I was thinking of those who torched villages, killed kids and dropped napalm.

U r the horse, oh dupiata one
IronsE11 2 | 442  
11 Nov 2008 /  #225
Yes and I think the laws here are ridiculous and fascist. I think the European mindset to self defense is pathetic and that criminals are afforded more rights than normal people often...

Why are you here then?
gtd 3 | 639  
11 Nov 2008 /  #226
What a ridiculously reactionary reply.

Must I agree with every aspect of a place to be there? Hell if that were true there isn't a place on Earth I could stay...the same for most people if they are honest.
IronsE11 2 | 442  
11 Nov 2008 /  #227
What a ridiculously reactionary reply.

Not at all. You feel that the country you live in often affords more rights to criminals than normal people. I most certainly wouldn't live in a country if I felt like that.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161  
15 Nov 2008 /  #228
Bigot!

McCain did this (or one of his comrades)
But in the US he is a war hero and millions voted for him as their president!

You ungrateful Germanoid... These people in Vietnam were fighting and dying, so 3/4 of your tribe could enjoy undeserved standard of living. Apologize and shut up next time.

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