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Polish-German history book for Schools


Miste 1 | 5  
12 Feb 2008 /  #1
Poland and Gemany write one history book for schools.
Poles and Germans want to do the same as French and Germans did.

What means one history book written by Polish and German authors showing both points of views, and all aspects of this hard neighbourhood.

IMO it is good move if we want to build future of EU.
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699  
12 Feb 2008 /  #2
IMO it is good move if we want to build future of EU.

I agree.. but I dont think that will become a reality.
OP Miste 1 | 5  
12 Feb 2008 /  #3
It will.
Polish - German relations are changing quickly.
Dice 15 | 452  
13 Feb 2008 /  #4
Poland and Gemany write one history book for schools.
Poles and Germans want to do the same as French and Germans did.

That is a great idea. And Europe needs it desperately, judging by what I read on these forums. Maybe people in the former Yugoslavia should take the same approach as well, before they start a new war, this time over severity of Kosovo.

It's about time we start learning that there are people just like us on the other side of that "century old conflict".

Today's World is full of "century old conflicts" and it's time for us to change them to "former conflicts from centuries before". There are people on all sides of borders, and they are only of one race: the Human Race.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
14 Feb 2008 /  #5
What means one history book written by Polish and German authors showing both points of views, and all aspects of this hard neighbourhood.

Yeah, of course. So why nobody write such books destined for a private readers if this is so great idea? Because those people would not waste their time and money for a politically correct version of history with carefully and selectively chosen topics. They prefer to read two books, one from German and second from Polish perspective.

Thus this book will be destined for schools, both Ministries of Propaganda (sorry, Education!) will proclaim it to be obligatory. This is how the bureaucrats doing business. Everything everywhere must be the same and obligatory.
polishcanuck 7 | 462  
14 Feb 2008 /  #6
Excellent idea. Hopefully all of europe will have one history textbook sometime in the future . Maybe this will end some problems.
Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
14 Feb 2008 /  #7
:) it is not going to happen. maybe It will be written and shown in TV but it will never be part of education in Poland and Germany. nonsens!
El Gato 4 | 351  
14 Feb 2008 /  #8
Excellent idea. Hopefully all of europe will have one history textbook sometime in the future . Maybe this will end some problems.

Not back problems...that's going to be a huge f*ckin book! It will wreak havoc upon the fragile backs of children!

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lesser 4 | 1,311  
15 Feb 2008 /  #9
it will never be part of education in Poland and Germany. nonsens!

I would not be so sure in your place. Even if it wont be obligatory for children, still this might be obligatory program for teachers as far as Polish-German relations are concentrated. Otherwise why would be the government involved in such project?
Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
15 Feb 2008 /  #10
after this: rp.pl/artykul/93104.html

When yesterday we started working at the editorial office of "Rzeczpospolita" on another project changes in the exams for legal applications , nearly fell out of chairs. At first we thought that maybe we missed something , poorly understood ...

Limits admissions application - it is probably impossible ?! After all, would be even wider opening of access to the legal profession . It was to be , and it is not. Preparing to return to the old , repeatedly criticized the rules for access to the profession of the 90s then talked about " caste of lawyers " , hermetic and host to its members only the elect. It was then decided by the corporations , against how many applicants will open its doors .


everything is possible
lesser 4 | 1,311  
15 Feb 2008 /  #11
I have no doubt about PO's lack of willingness to change anything crucial in good direction. Everything I can read about their plans are pathetic ideas like above...
isthatu 3 | 1,164  
15 Feb 2008 /  #12
Because those people would not waste their time and money for a politically correct version of history with carefully and selectively chosen topics. They prefer to read two books, one from German and second from Polish perspective.

Thus this book will be destined for schools, both Ministries of Propaganda (sorry, Education!) will proclaim it to be obligatory. This is how the bureaucrats doing business. Everything everywhere must be the same and obligatory.

OMG, I agree with you on this.....must have bumped my head or something.....
Why not,and here's a crazy idea,have a book written by a History expert and leave it at that,why "nationalise " history,just seems silly. I vote getting a Canadian in for the job,they seem level headed folks.
Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
15 Feb 2008 /  #13
I have checked details, nothing has been decided.

Some people have plan to write this book and German kids in eastern lands of Germany and Polish form western part of Poland, eventualy are going to have this book (Polish and German authors) as additional help in learning history.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
16 Feb 2008 /  #14
nothing has been decided.

Hopefully you are right. Some time ago Giertych banned (?) some project of pan-European history book pushed by the Council of Europe.
celinski 31 | 1,258  
16 Feb 2008 /  #15
BBC report tells what is really believed by Russian youth.

"But minutes later the same students were telling me quite openly how they consider America their enemy and that America and its Nato allies are intent on undermining Russia.

Later in the day, I went to meet a group of teenagers from a Kremlin-sponsored youth movement called Nashi (Ours)."

"The Americans always claim they won the war," she said. "That's rubbish. We won the war. They only joined in when it was already clear the Germans were going to lose."

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7241042.stm
polishcanuck 7 | 462  
16 Feb 2008 /  #16
Not back problems...that's going to be a huge f*ckin book! It will wreak havoc upon the fragile backs of children!

Laptops:)

"The Americans always claim they won the war," she said. "That's rubbish. We won the war. They only joined in when it was already clear the Germans were going to lose."

All the more reason to standardize history books. History is very dangerous because it is too often manipulated or misinterpreted. Unfortunately we will probably need a few more devastating wars to get to that point. Like in one of those space shows on tv (star trek? star wars? any trekkies out there?), all humans live in peace and have set aside their differences.
celinski 31 | 1,258  
16 Feb 2008 /  #17
all humans live in peace and have set aside their differences.

Lets see Russia has threatened Poland, Ukraine and USA. USA is at war with allies in Iraq and Afganistan.
isthatu 3 | 1,164  
16 Feb 2008 /  #18
"The Americans always claim they won the war," she said. "That's rubbish. We won the war. They only joined in when it was already clear the Germans were going to lose."

which seems a pretty reasonable assesment by them....

But minutes later the same students were telling me quite openly how they consider America their enemy and that America and its Nato allies are intent on undermining Russia

this seems to be the attitude in the US regarding russia...

USA is at war with allies in Iraq and Afganistan.

no,just coz your airforce has a habit of dropping bombs on its allies doesnt mean were actualy at war with each other....
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
16 Feb 2008 /  #19
I think she meant foes isthatu, hehehe. A wee bittie o a difference for sure.
celinski 31 | 1,258  
16 Feb 2008 /  #20
no,just coz your airforce has a habit of dropping bombs on its allies doesnt mean were actualy at war with each other....

LMAO I mean USA and allies are in Iraq and Afganistan. I'm sleepy, see ya guys.
polishcanuck 7 | 462  
17 Feb 2008 /  #21
Lets see Russia has threatened Poland, Ukraine and USA. USA is at war with allies in Iraq and Afganistan.

Not sure what you mean, maybe you should re-read my post. I was talking about a sci-fi tv show, not reality.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
18 Feb 2008 /  #22
All the more reason to standardize history books.

This does not looks like a comment from somebody who would read history books.

History is very dangerous because it is too often manipulated or misinterpreted.

May I suggest to jump to a giant condom when reading? 100% safety guarantee!
celinski 31 | 1,258  
18 Feb 2008 /  #23
No in fact the past may be starting to hold more accountable.

all humans live in peace and have set aside their differences

An 83-year-old former Nazi prison camp guard has been transferred to Italy to serve a life sentence for murder.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7248502.stm
Del boy 20 | 254  
3 Sep 2008 /  #24
here we have a different point of view about relations between the Poles and ze Germans ;)
cwporter.com/image.htm

nice catch :)
''Of course, at the same time, this constitutes proof that no Polish empire existed in 966, since Miezszko was the "first"; furthermore, he was not a Pole, but rather, a Norman named "Dago-Mesico", from the Norwegian family line of the Daglingers, who migrated into lands settled by the Germans on the Weichsel and Warthe. His baptism proves nothing at all -- certainly not that he was a Pole, or that he ever became a Pole: it only proves that Dago accepted Christianity. There are no records -- as scholars confirm today -- which ever mention -- even once -- a people bearing the name "Poles" or "Slavs" "in the area" at that time. The only tribes which were native to the area were Germanic, and the founders of the Polish empire were also German. But Polish history has to begin somewhere; it was therefore logical to take this Christian baptism as the point of departure."

something more for you Miste :)

"To sum up: Hitler never made any territorial demands on Poland: on the contrary, he offered to guarantee the 1919 borders with Poland. The Poles replied that this was "insult to their honour and a threat to their independence". Danzig was never a part of Poland, and was not part of Poland in 1939: it was a so-called "free city" under the nominal control of the League of Nations. Poland owes its existence as a modern independent state to the Treaty of Bresk-Litovsk, signed between the Germans and the Soviets in March 1918. It was considered to be in the German interests to create, or permit the existence, of a series of independent buffer states between itself and the Soviet Union. Hitler shared this view, stating that if the Poles did not defend their eastern borders, then the Germans would have to do it. In this sense, Hitler was pro-Polish, and desired a strong, independent, anti-Communist Poland. Germany and Poland should have been natural allies, forming a bulwark against bolshevism in Europe, and should have been ideal trading partners. Both countries were anti-Jewish (the Poles far more so than the National Socialists); Poland was in the depths of a depression, a producer of raw materials and agricultural goods needed by Germany, while Germany was a producer of finished goods badly needed by the Poles.

To reach an agreement with the Poles, Hitler abandoned ALL CLAIM to huge areas of Poland which were 65-85% German, areas of inestimable economic value."

Great piece of history :)
Ryszard - | 89  
3 Sep 2008 /  #25
...? But what's the point of quoting this lunatic. Look at the main page and other "articles". MADE IN RUSSIA - THE HOLOCO$T explains everything.
Del boy 20 | 254  
3 Sep 2008 /  #26
Yes, but Gerries like that version of of history a lot
Babinich 1 | 455  
3 Sep 2008 /  #27
All the more reason to standardize history books.

Be careful what you wish for.

Hitler was pro-Polish, and desired a strong, independent, anti-Communist Poland. Germany and Poland should have been natural allies, forming a bulwark against bolshevism in Europe, and should have been ideal trading partners.

pogonowski.com/display.php?textid=849
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 10,987  
3 Sep 2008 /  #28
Yes, but Gerries like that version of of history a lot

Says who?

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