75 Years of Israel and the War - part 3

I fully agree with you.

That goes without saying.
If you ever smiled, people would think you were up to something.

I need help in making my sarcasm more obvious. See #238.

This ceasefire in Lebanon is very strange. Both sides are beating each other up even more than before the ceasefire. Is this the meaning of a ceasefire?

To Israel haters: Watch this and STFU.

Proof!!!!

They don't want just "land", or peace....they always wanted only one thing: dead Jews!

Are you projecting a German thing here?

Israel is a rogue, expansionist state, it always has been which is why it gets a bit bigger each decade. It needs the lebensraum

"trading land for peace" is simply a soundbite but really means the US paying the corrupt Egyptian dictatorship to do as they are told.

Gee I wonder why?

Maybe because the Jewish religeon says that anyone who is not Jewish is a Goyim.

And the Talmud says it is ok to lie to non jews....

....maybe it's easier for a German to accept that these goals exist...Muslims can't talk **** to us about that. "Been there, done that!"


Really!

@Bratwurst Boy
Perhaps Germans do have an understanding of genocide that Arabs and others dont.

That's what I said!

Not wanting to let muslims become our "best pupils", won't we....

You might be gullible, we aren't!

I know, I'm agreeing with some of what you said and disagree with the rest.

....I take what I can get! :)

Yes, genius, a state that was created by the UN and without objections from the US and the USSR is "rogue" now...Sure...what a moron...

And "expensionist"...as evidenced by the fact that in 2005 Israel forcibly removed all Jews from Gaza.

There is a simple rule A should keep in mind before it attacks B:

B may rip part of your ass and keep it as a trophy. See 1967 and 1945.


Girlie leftist idiots are women or pussyfied men. They love meaningless adjectives and hate facts. To these morons, even facts and numbers can be hateful.

Zionist war criminals close their embassy in Ireland

If Ireland is so antisemitic as the indicted and wanted war criminals in Tel Aviv claim why did they abandon the Jewish population in Ireland.

It appears that standing for an international rules based system, opposing genocide opposing using starvation as a weapon of war, opposing forcible transfer of people is now antisemitic.

I'm not normally proud to be Irish, at best I'm content with something I had no choice in, however today I am immensely proud to be Irish.

Girlie leftist idiots are women or pussyfied men. They love meaningless adjectives and hate facts. To these morons, even facts and numbers can be hateful.

...from their account on X:

Today, I have instructed the closure of Israel's Embassy in Ireland. The actions, double standards, and antisemitic rhetoric of the Irish government against Israel are rooted in efforts to delegitimize and demonize the Jewish state.

The Irish government recognized a "Palestinian state" during attacks on Israel (a move praised by Hamas), attempted to redefine 'genocide' in international law to support baseless claims against Israel at the ICJ, backed politically motivated cases at the ICC, promoted anti-Israel measures within the EU, and fostered hostility toward Israel.

Notably, Ireland is one of the few European countries that has not adopted the IHRA definition of antisemitism, and its government has failed to take effective measures to combat the surge of antisemitism within Ireland.

Israel will focus its resources on strengthening bilateral relations with countries worldwide, according to priorities that also take into account the attitudes and actions of these states toward Israel.

x.com/gidonsaar/status/1868362048792301732

It seems there is more behind it....maybe they are truly antisemites?

Notably, Ireland is one of the few European countries that has not adopted the IHRA definition of antisemitism,

The Irish government recognized a "Palestinian state" during attacks on Israel (a move praised by Hamas),

They have also a stronger, more intense catholic history than most other countries, haven't they? Maybe there is a connection......

Not according to this

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These numbers are not what they meant to be....Germany for one, as GB, has lotsa more muslim immigrants than Ireland....especially in the recent decade these people and their attacks are muddling these statistics now enormously!

I guess this is the true reason why Israel closes it's embassy in Ireland and not in Germany or GB or France for that matter...they make a difference between imported and state supported anti-semitism!

I supplied Israeli figures demonstrating that Ireland has fewer incidents than much of Europe and you provided a fact free explanation for the figures.

Can you give examples of this supposed state sponsored hate?

"Take that Ireland!" announced also-under-investigation-for-monumental-fraud Netanyahu, reasoning that by restricting the access of Israeli citizens in Ireland to supports from the Israeli state, Irish people will really feel like they've been punished.

//waterfordwhispersnews.com/2024/12/12/man-greets-suitable-for-8-people-label-on-food-like-a-challenge/

I guess what the israeli ambassador posted is true? That Ireland never even recognized the official definition?

commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/policies/justice-and-fundamental-rights/combatting-discrimination/racism-and-xenophobia/combating-antisemitism/definition-antisemitism_en

The EU did....so did (after last standing) 43 other countries (so have Germany, GB, France and the US between others btw.)

holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism

It isn't a difficult or complicated thing....it is not really even legally binding....so, if you as a gov don't do it that means that you really, really, really don't want it...purposely! Okay...your choice.

But to support the Pali terrorists in such a time, after the horrible things they just did, with the world watching full of horror, in a way that even Hamas praises you....now that is a totally different level.

There is something more behind such an action, an active hostility, by the state...sorry!

I asked for examples of state sponsored hate because that was your accusation. Any chance of providing any?

....and I gave them, did you read them?

A state sponsored hate is per definition done by the government. Not one journalists essay, not an attack on the street...no...it's the big things, things only a gov can do!

No german gov is imaginable supporting Pali terrorists or ignoring such an international declaration....isn't it obvious?

Why are you trying to whitewash the irish gov? To ignore what they do? Do you think Israel would not much rather have their embassy still open in Dublin, having normal relationships with another friendly country available?

Do you think it's all a lie what the ambassador posted? An israeli hallucination? Why should Israel be hostile to Ireland?

PS: Interesting


fathomjournal.org/anti-zionism-has-become-the-new-antisemitism-in-ireland/

Oliver Sears is the founder of Holocaust Awareness Ireland. 'Irish politicians line up to be photographed with the community on Holocaust Memorial Day,' he writes, 'But those same politicians will not stand up publicly now to denounce the explosion of antisemitic rhetoric that has spilled into the public arena, including both houses of parliament.'....

It seems the hard Left is behind that surge in Ireland...as they are in other european countries too...anti-semitism becomes anti-zionism becomes anti-colonialism and what not...think Greta Thunberg as a gov leader!

Hopefully that ideological epidemic runs its course and out and ends again soon!

How about the hate sponsored by the Palestinian State, where the governing party (or at least the governing party of one of the states that make up the state) is committed to the stance that "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad." and that "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it"?

@Bratwurst Boy
You have not provided a single example of state sponsored hate in Ireland simply because none exist. You got to have facts if you are going to make such claims.

There is no hard left in Ireland, there has just been a general election and no far right or far left representatives were returned. Despite what some random blogger says.

Fact is Israel has relations with lots of countries that are not in the 45 or so places that have adopted the controversial definition. Ireland happens to be a member of that organisation but hasn't adopted the flawed definition. Ireland is singled out when Norway isnt. That is an example of Israeli double standards.

@Lazarus
What is your point, HAMAS are bad? No argument here or from the Irish government

Erm....first and foremost it is Israel through its ambassador which counted off the facts. They for sure see them as "state sponsored hate" hence their quite drastic reaction.

The question is now why do you ignore them? What would you call them instead? A serious question here, as I am puzzled!


You sure? Renaming "bad" anti-semitism to "good" anti-zionism, is a leftist thing....the same way making muslim terrorists to resistance fighters as long as they keep killing Jews....they are the same here in Germany and elsewhere....they are radical leftist nutters!

Remind me, does the Irish government refer to Hamas as "terrorists" or "militants"? The US and the UK are crystal clear that Hamas is a terrorist organisation but the Irish government instead uses the word "militant".

Also, where can I read the Irish government calling on Hamas to change its stance about war being the only answer and that Israel has no right to even exist?

@Lazarus
Hamas is designated a terrorist organisation By the EU and is accepted by all EU member states.

//oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2023-10-17/90/

Hamas is listed by the European Union as a terrorist organisation, unanimously agreed by all Member States.

Is that clear enough for you?

@Bratwurst Boy
It seems that Israel objects to Ireland opposing genocide, There are no other facts, Israel threw a hissy fit that only harms Israeli citizens in Ireland.

There is no state sponsored antisemitism in Ireland.

But Hamas are not referred to by the Irish government as "terrorists". Instead they use the phrase "the 7 October attacks by Hamas and other militant groups", for example here ireland.ie/en/dfa/role-policies/international-priorities/israeli-palestinian-conflict/