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75 Years of Israel and the War - part 3


Alien  26 | 6886
1 May 2025   #421
dead civilians

Dead civilians are always too many.
Ironside  51 | 13212
1 May 2025   #422
Does this have anything to do with culture?

Hmm, a long tradition. Ever heard about a ruler called Herod?
Alien  26 | 6886
1 May 2025   #423
Herod

A story like from "Terminator". If Herod had killed Christ, Christianity would not have come into being. Although he only cared about maintaining power.
Bobko  28 | 2288
12 May 2025   #424
One reason why I can appreciate Trump - is the way he has dumped Israel in his second term.

After his first term, where he moved the embassy to Jerusalem, closed his eyes to settlement annexations, and made his Jewish son-in-law the point man for the Israeli-Palestinian peace process... I thought it could only get worse.

The Israelis were so happy, that already in November they began discussing annexing the entire occupied West Bank - and were rubbing their hands at the idea of a potential military operation against Iran.

So... how surprising is it then, that we are now witnessing a collapse of Israeli-American relations? Very surprising!

Point by point:

1) Israel, playing the good lap dog, preemptively lowered tariffs on all US goods to zero. The Trump administration looked at this, and decided to slap a 17% tariff on Israel anyway. Massive confusion ensues in Israel.

2) America negotiates directly with Hamas for the release of the last remaining American hostage. Hamas lets him go. No word on Israeli hostages that remain.

3) America negotiates directly with the Houthis, and arrives at a ceasefire agreement. The ceasefire does not include attacks on Israel, but only on US shipping. The Houthis are free to continue hitting Israel.

4) Trump's first overseas trip (besides Pope funeral), is to Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and UAE. Israel tries to convince Trump to visit, first through a visit by Netanyahu himself and then by a follow up visit by Ron Dermer. In the end, Trump refuses to go to Israel because "it will look bad with the Arabs".

What a refreshing change of pace. The WaPo article below quotes some people familiar with Trump's thinking. They say there are three reasons for what's happening:

1) Trump feels Netanyahu was trying to manipulate him into a war against Iran. Nobody manipulates Trump.

2) Trump feels that the $4B in annual aid to Israel is "help enough".

3) Core MAGA is anti-Israel, because of their isolationist views, and the belief that Israel is the tail that has been wagging the dog.

Seems Netanyahu didn't get the America First memo - hahaha. What part of America First did you misunderstand, Bibi?


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Bobko  28 | 2288
12 May 2025   #425
Another little news report that may shed light on why Trump and Israel are going through a divorce:

tbsnews.net/world/trump-cuts-ties-netanyahu-over-manipulation-concerns-israeli-media-1139061?amp

Some additional back story on why Trump doesn't want to see Netanyahu anymore, and why he is convinced that Netanyahu is trying to manipulate him.
Alien  26 | 6886
12 May 2025   #426
Netanyahu is trying to manipulate him.

trying?
Bobko  28 | 2288
12 May 2025   #427
trying?

If Trump will be the first American president to crawl out from under the Israeli thumb - I will forgive him everything.
Torq  13 | 1268
12 May 2025   #428
I will forgive him everything.

Forgive him? 0_0

Forgive him for destroying America's credibility as an ally? Forgive him for spreading Russian propaganda verbatim? Forgive him for weakening the unity of NATO? Forgive him what?
Bobko  28 | 2288
12 May 2025   #429
Forgive him what?

Well... you are correct - for many of his achievements he deserves praise instead of forgiveness.

For the destruction of NATO - I am thankful. For spreading our message of love and compassion - most grateful. For correcting America's moral compass back towards Father Svetovid and Mother Slavia - AXIOS!

The things I need to forgive him for:

1) Being a liar
2) Being a cheat
3) Being cruel
4) Being stupid
5) Making all of the above somehow a desirable mix of character traits in the view of millions and millions of people.
Novichok  6 | 9504
12 May 2025   #430
Forgive him for destroying America's credibility as an ally?

The US doesn't have allies.

We have vassals, parasites, fake friends, and two enemies: DC swamp and stupid voters.
Ironside  51 | 13212
12 May 2025   #431
The US doesn't have allies.

Shush, you moron. The state Department and the generation of American politicians worked hard to maintain that façade, and you are just blowing it into the open. Do you know how many deals it will cost the US? You and your family won't be able to pay it off for ten generations.
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Trump feels Netanyahu was trying to manipulate him into a war against Iran

Feels? He knows it. Is not a big secret. It would be worrisome if he weren't aware of it.
Miloslaw  24 | 5481
12 May 2025   #432
Shush, you moron.

Unfortunately Novichock aka Rich Mazur is becoming a complete one as every day passes and needs to STFU.

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