Ukraine, Belarus, Russia in EU in 2030?

jon, I have to agree as we are seeing communism here in the U.S.A. also.
obama's agenda is a prime example.
George Soros, Marxist, obama, Socialism, PiS, Liberals, all the same cup of tea.

Looks like he's misunderstood, probably deliberately.

Having said that, extreme politics/economics (including free-market capitalism) always produces an equal and opposite reaction.

Right now, China is the danger, Russia is it's unpredictable cousin and Belarus a pawn.

Actually some countries that are huge like China are probably only governable by systems like communism that have huge populations. And that is an example of a country who did it successfully and is taking over the world markets as well as really becoming the top global player maybe in the next 20-30 yrs replacing America.

"The economic and social history of communism has been total disaster and even when a communist dominated society breaks free the damage lasts for decades."

But are you blaming the actual system of communism or those countries culture and socioeconomic status at the time they tried implementing it responsible for the states the way they turned out?

They already have in a lot of ways. And this has a big effect on their neighbour Russia which has ambitions of its own and is sat on a lot of rare earth metals that China needs.

Russia hasn't moved beyond resource extraction... it has tremendous human capital but is stymied under the regressive corruption of the Putin regime.

Under the universal rule that is true of all systems: me, my family, my buddies, my party, and - if I still have five minutes left - my country.

Too cynical?

No, just the opposite, Socialism doesn't work.


Russian propaganda at it's best.

War will certainly come this decade, maybe inn the next couple of years or so. The build up period is happening right now. Whether they'll use tactical weapons or larger ones remains to be seen. Different countries have very different arsensls.

I agree.And I think it will come sooner.
Things look pretty bad and once again poor Poland is in the heart of it.

Wars are good for purging the uninvited. It's hard to do it when nobody is shooting.

There seem to be three prognoses that are being reported. Today's Telegraph had elements of all three in their reporting. One is that Putin is testing the water for something over the next 3 years or so, one that it will be resolved diplomatically and one that something will happen soon. IMO, the first and last are more likely than the second.

Well, looks like the EU has a new member.

From Foxnews:

The European Union accepts Ukraine's application, will start 'special admission': report

The EU has accepted Ukraine's application and has commenced a special admission procedure to integrate the country, Eastern European media has reported.

The EU will also look to switch Ukraine over to its power grid in the coming weeks, further integrating the country into the European structure.

This will prove to be interesting....

What is there interesting? EU is Vatican and Germany. Drang Nach Osten is the eternal aim.

Apart from the unspeakable tragedy that is happening in Ukraine right now, we can also see an incredible phenomenon - the birth of the modern Ukrainian nation. Before the RuSS invasion it had been divided and conflicted. Today, its integrity is being forged anew under the RuSS barbaric carpet shelling. With their heroic determination, Ukrainians will win the war sooner or later, RuSS barbarians will be forced to withdraw. Destroyed cities and villages will be rebuilt with funds confiscated from invaders. Yes, Ukrainians will mourn thousands of the victims of Russian savagery. . However, it is the sacrifice that will keep them together as one unified nation for the next decades, if not centuries.

I am no fan of The EU but it is good for poor countries.
Serbia should apply to join but they are too poor and evil to be accepted.

@pawian

Great post @pawian!
Ukraine will win in the end and Russia will lose.
But the final result may well be many years away.

After 2014 they were united mostly by EU dreams and expectations. Sadly, many of them still sincerely believe that EU will accept Ukraine quite soon. And that after that they will live "like in EU". Some Ukrainian politicians continue to fool people in that way right now... I think without that propaganda very few Ukrainians would resist Russia willingly (with exception of Western Ukraine).

Maybe before the invasion!

But every destroyed home and killed civilian will made the number rise up who hate you and who want to be free Ukrainians rather than living under russian occupation....

Putin lost Ukraine already! Trying to keep it will impoverish Russia....

Amen!

A Russian speaking Ukrainian told me that Russians (even intelligent and well-meaning ones) just don't understand that Ukrainians don't like them very much and don't find Russian social life very appealing (Russians are obedient and passive while Ukrainians..... are neither).

This doesn't necessarily extend to interpersonal relations (this person was happily married to a Russian) but at the macro-level Ukraine has a very different history from Russia (related to different geographic and other factors) and Ukrainians, even if they only speak Russian, have no intention of joining any Russian led configuration.

Yes, that is a game changer.


I'm not supprised they don't, that was out of the blue. Putin's blunder can be understood.


I doubt it. I think they don't want Russian barbaria anymore. Brothers my foot.
Ukrainie origin and history starts with Poland and GDL.

I wonder if some extensive law enforcement cooperation is possible between European countries. Could such things as European police, European courts and European prosecutors be created in large numbers in those European countries which want to become EU members? For example if some Moldovan citizen suspects that a corrupted judge or police act not in his favour, he could just fill a complaint to EU court or EU police division in his own country. Obviously such EU divisions need to have all the legal power to do investigations, arests and court decisions and their power should prevail over national institutions.

Ukraine in EU 2030
Belarus in Russia 2030. 🌍

No, don`t be such a pessimist. When RuSSists get impoverished enough, they won`t be able to control Belarus any longer - it is going to rise and fight for its freedom like Ukraine. And RuSSist savages will be helpless.

God grant it to be so.