God and Religion Talk

Most likely, it was all just a dream. Dead people live on... but only in our minds.

Time didn't exist before all creation. On Day 4, God created time when He created the sun, moon, and stars.

If you had basic knowledge of the Bible, you'd have answers to most of your questions.

There are plenty of happenings that suggest otherwise.

I'm genuinely puzzled as to why people find continuing life such an unlikely idea. It seems far more likely than not.

Once, when I was a teenager - I was sitting in front of my grandparents house in the evening, and suddenly noticed a faint glowing silhouette moving through the forest across the field. It seemed to hover slightly above the ground, as it weaved in and out between trees. Just as suddenly as it appeared it vanished.

Needless to say I was sh*tting bricks, and when I came home nobody believed my story.

About a week later I was sitting in the same spot, and saw the same thing again - only this time it emerged from the forest and started moving in my direction.

Right before I had a heart attack, I finally realized that this was a forest ranger wearing a headlamp that was shining down onto his body, and the floating was only a result of the texture of his boots which did not reflect any light.

Oh, yes, plenty of things can be accounted for and it's important not to just accept every tale of the unusual as proof of ghosts or whatever.

In Yorkshire, we call those Boggarts. Many people have seen them. Some are maybe marsh gas, some less easy to explain away.


I saw a ghost in my office in Warsaw when I had a business there. I was about to leave at night, everyone else had left and I was bloody terrified. It was at the end of a long corridor and was a white three dimensional shape. Worth mentioning that this was in a building where the pre-war residents mostly didn't survive the holocaust and there were bullet marks in the walls.

I was terrified. Couldn't leave the office, stayed in a little room for ages. Finally I realised that I had to grin and bear it and leave. I saw it again.

The reason? At the end of the corridor there was a frosted glass door open at 45 degrees and there was a window beyond with lights outside at 90 degrees. It was my own reflection from a distance that looked three dimensional.

@jon357
Brilliant story!

It's important to reject everything and place the burden of proof squarely on the claimant ...under oath and during cross-examination, with no questions being off limits.

Once the veracity of his claims is established...step 2: Did it ever happen before and was accepted as normal and natural...Like a week-long flu...

Today, nobody would claim that the flu has any elements of a miracle, from the beginning to the happy or unhappy end.

@Novichok

I didn't understand a word of your post......you claim to be T.Total but you are obviously out of your mind on something......

Do you understand the word "it"?

For the benefit of the morons who think Christianity and Islam are comparable...

Think again...

"Islam is not a religion. It's a political movement"....says a Muslim...

....set on conquering the world....and killing everybody who wouldn't want to convert....

My grandad always used to say, you'll never see anything worse than yourself :)


The problem you have there is accepted by whom? By society in general? Quite frankly I wouldn't trust society to go to the shop for a packet of biscuits let alone make the tea. They're as daft as a brush most of the time. That's why I prefer to take note of what the 'experts' think. The experts in the dying, are those who care for them, so hospice nurses are generally very trustworthy. They also need to be practical and down-to-earth to do their jobs properly. They will tell you that death bed phenomena of various kinds are very common. They can't provide an explanation of why, but they do know that they occur. The scent of flowers, particularly roses, in a room where there are no flowers is a very common thing when somebody is about to die. It's better to acknowledge things and discuss them than to pretend they don't happen.

Novi, whether you like it or not, you're not going to stop existing just because your body and brain cease to function.

Saint Virgin Mary! She comes to her friends in the hour of their passing.

A very informed opinion.

I don't see "allegedly". Without evidence, this ends the conversation.

Let me know the date of the trial.

That's no problem, I've always enjoyed talking to myself :) I'm inordinately fond of a monologue, especially when I'm the one delivering it.

I must say you're very resistant to the old eternal life scenario. Is it that you don't like the idea of continuing life - if not, why not? Or is it that you do like the idea in principle but you don't want to get your hopes up in case there isn't anything after all? But in that case, what would it matter, as you wouldn't know anyway because you wouldn't exist!

....maybe.....giving my unwanted 2 Cents....he is abit like me!

The gist of many read NDE stories is that we leave our dead body with our personality still fully intact....we stay the same grumpy, sometimes mean people, posting here on PF, heh:)

But the inherited belief about a heaven full of endlessly happy people, holding hands and dancing Kumbaya around a tree, all day long....eternal...is not a real attractive future for me! Thats just not "me", who I am....I wouldn't want that, then better dead...if you get my meaning! :)

Not attractive???

I would be suicidal on Day 2 if my roommates were Billy Carter, JP2, and Mother Teresa...

BTW, it just occurred to me...Is it possible to commit suicide in Heaven? Do they have any sharp objects there?

Also...Can I change my mind and ask to be transferred to Hell? I mean, just to find out what it is like there...

Could I sin in Heaven? If so, what is the penal code? Is Heaven a democracy? Do they vote for the President? Somebody has to be in charge...

Based on this post alone, I doubt they want me there...unless there is a solitary cell awaiting those who ask too many inconvenient questions.

.....and here come the many read NDE experiences into play....it WILL be different. Surely, your inherited, teached beliefs will play a role at first, probably to smooth the transition, but in the end its all so much bigger than we can imagine, I'm fairly convinced of this....so many people can't be all liars, why should they!

Be open, Novi....a wild ride awaits us! :)

You contribution, far from unwanted, is most welcome.

The inherited belief you refer to of Heaven being a happy place where we all join hands and sing Kumbaya, is a somewhat simplistic idea, not really what theology teaches, not the theology of Catholicism anyway. We don't really have the right words or language to express what Heavenly joy is like, but I know everything will be just as it is meant to be, and may well be different for each of us. As you say, Bratty, we don't know :) It definitely is first and foremost a place of love and a place where one's consciousness can grow much further than it can on earth.


I'll quote Peter Pan again (the original Peter from J.M. Barrie's book and the play) "To die will be an awfully big adventure."

As dear St Francis of Assisi rightly said:

"For it is in giving that we receive,
it is in pardoning that we are pardoned,
and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life."

No, you couldn't because only goodness can exist there.

Well, there's always Purgatory :) I've heard it's not that bad, according to Cardinal Newman anyway. Of course, that would only be temporary billets and you would have to move on eventually, but I'm sure you can stretch it out for a while.

Yes....thats also my idea (in better words:)

What annoys me in after life beliefs is that a lot of the time they are not happy to keep it to themselves.
You believe there is after life? Great. I don't.
While we can of course discuss different opinions neither one carries more weight than the others really.

Heaven must be very crowded, unless there is some kind of recycling and after some time in heaven the souls are sent back to earth to be reborn...? 🤔

Time and space has no meaning in the afterlife. That concept exists only in the realm of relativity. The absolute is neither immortal nor eternal, but rather, aeviternal.

If the universe is constantly expanding until it stops and starts contracting again, time included, will we all live our lives backwards again?

I'm not sure what that has to do with what I'm saying. Physical reality has to end. The fact this cycle is just part of a larger number of cycles doesn't change this fact. And I don't see any reason to believe this event isn't imminent. Point in the fact, the end of the world is something we all have to face on an individual level, so in the end the destruction of the cosmos isn't of particular significance as far as our quest for "enlightenment" or whatever is concerned. But just as our physical bodies will come to an end, so will the physical body of the universe die as well. Eternity is for the Absolute, not physical reality. Manifestation is in a constant state of flux, only the Absolute is "fixed" in place.

I am so glad I don't have to discuss any of that when I am doing things every day...