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Ironside  53 | 13954
1 Jan 2026   #361
Why wait until he dies to bury or cremate?

It comes to my mind too. Why do I share a similar mindset in some ways with you? Am I evil?
Novichok  7 | 11106
1 Jan 2026   #362
Are you worried that you'll come round while they're doing it?

No. It's the vision of her hair being on fire. We get emotional watching a house in flames, even if it's not ours.

We got used to the process of lowering a coffin into the ground, and can witness it without cringing, including children. There is something calm and solemn about it. Hence, Rest in Peace.

Nobody would want to observe cremation, the worst form of violence a man can perpetrate on another human being.
Tlum  13 | 423
1 Jan 2026   #363
the Anglo-Catholics have the Sacrament of Confession, but it's optional

If I were satan, I'd try to make everything seem "optional" in order to lure as many people as possible into the abyss. All these new Christian churches and denominations are mostly his works.

the worst form of violence a man can perpetrate

Cremation (even alive) is not even comparable to what satan has prepared for his followers. It seems you are sensitive to pain and value peace, but it may be time to toughen up if this is your choice.
Novichok  7 | 11106
1 Jan 2026   #364
If the dogmas were never "true, then it means Catholicism was always false, and you need to throw it away.

That's what I did, but kept the good parts of the Ten Commandments.

At 14, I just couldn't reconcile God being Almighty and impotent or indifferent at the same time.

The problem with any religion, including Catholicism, is that the originator never says these are dogmas, not facts. That would be true and honest.

Instead, the tribe is told that the originator is God's special messenger and that if you object, you will be damned. To make sure that the rate of acceptance is high, they never say "allegedly", "probably", or "more likely than not". That's what Jim Jones did before her murdered 1000 of his followers.

Bottom line: The burden of proof is always on the proponent if he chooses to say "is" instead of "I believe".
jon357  75 | 25050
1 Jan 2026   #365
I'd try to make everything seem "optional"

Most things are. Within Roman Catholicism, the ultimate arbiter for a living person is their own conscience.

All these new Christian churches and denominations

Anglicanism has existed since the first Christian missionary came to England, long before the concept of Poland existed.

Cremation

It's cleaner and better than burial, however the ideal is to donate your body for medical science. Public sector of course, nobody directly profiting financially from it.
Torq  28 | 2133
1 Jan 2026   #366
Anglicanism has existed since the first Christian missionary came to England, long before the concept of Poland existed.

Anglicanism has existed since the 16th century, when Poland was a regional superpower under Jagiellonian dynasty.

The decisive legal moment is usually identified as 1534, when the Act of Supremacy of King's Penis over Ecclesiastical Unity declared the English monarch the Supreme Head of the Church of England. Let's keep things historically accurate here, Jonno.
Novichok  7 | 11106
1 Jan 2026   #367
however the ideal is to donate your body for medical science.

No fvcking way!

Just imagine the comments...
jon357  75 | 25050
1 Jan 2026   #368
Anglicanism has existed since

Since almost a thousand years before that. Before the RC denomination was founded in 1054.

Just as Uniate churches, the Mozarabic Rite etc exist under the patronage of the Vatican, so did the Anglican Church for part of its existence.

It has always been different, and at the start wasn't under the malign influence of Rome at all.

King's

You missed "the" and that great King was of course Defender of the Faith, a title originating in the depraved city that was and is Rome.

Let's keep things historically accurate here

Let's, and acknowledge that Ecclesium Anglicanum, the English Church, has always been its own thing, even back in the days of the Sarum Rite.
Torq  28 | 2133
1 Jan 2026   #369
Before the RC denomination was founded in 1054.

under the malign influence of Rome

the depraved city that was and is Rome

lol

It seems that not only Novichok is on the sure way to hell. Oh, well... every man chooses his own destiny.
jon357  75 | 25050
1 Jan 2026   #370
Even Jesus, according to some.
Atch  22 | 4326
1 Jan 2026   #371
Cremation (even alive) is not even comparable to what satan has prepared for his followers.

We don't know anything at all about Hell, or indeed about Heaven or even Purgatory. Almost everything apart from teeny weeny bits in the Bible which the Church says are not to be taken literally (and the lake of fire and brimstone is one of those), comes from private revelations, visions etc. which are not part of doctrine.
I just couldn't reconcile God being Almighty and impotent or indifferent at the same time.

I can understand that point of view. It's one that many Christians share to some extent, the thing of trying to make sense of the terrible examples of suffering in the world. Those who retain their faith tend to find a way of making sense of it or just decide to accept the mystery.

Novi, as you don't believe that we have a soul and you think life ends with our death, what do you think about ghosts?
Tlum  13 | 423
1 Jan 2026   #372
We don't know anything at all about Hell,

We know more than enough. My summary based on Jesus's revelations alone:

Earth - both Good and Evil coexist ("bad things may happen to good people / good things may happen to bad people")

Heaven - only Good exists.

Hell - only Evil exists.
Novichok  7 | 11106
1 Jan 2026   #373
My summary based on Jesus's revelations alone:

You are lying. Jesus didn't reveal anything to you. People close to you did.

My revelation is that God is either indifferent or impotent when a kid is ripped to pieces by three stray pitbulls.

BTW, if God created the Universe, he also created guns. That's why I have two. Loaded...

When you reject guns, you reject God's plan.
Korvinus  9 | 849
1 Jan 2026   #374
The problem with any religion, including Catholicism, is that the originator never says these are dogmas, not facts.

Who emancipated Jews in our society in the first place? Who gave them free reign? Oh that's right, it was you guys, all puffed up by your euphoric enlightened ideals.

Because it wasn't Christians, it was your "free-thinking", "enlightened" precusors. And it was the same people who infiltrated and subverted the Church to serve their free-thinking, globalist agenda. There is nothing whatsoever you can point to in Christian dogma that would lead to anything that is happening today.
jon357  75 | 25050
1 Jan 2026   #375
Who emancipated Jews in our society

Why wouldn't any group in society be emancipated?
Tlum  13 | 423
1 Jan 2026   #376
People close to you did.

Then you've been lying all these years, citing the US constitution which has never been revealed to you.

when a kid is ripped to pieces by three stray pitbulls.

A kid is ripped or raped by your brother in satan, so what's your problem.

if God created the Universe, he also created guns.

God didn't create guns; people did. They can be used for good or evil, just like anything else.
Novichok  7 | 11106
1 Jan 2026   #377
Then you've been lying all these years, citing the US constitution which has never been revealed to you.

Learn English...

To reveal - to make secret information known to others.

The US Constitution was never a secret. Nothing to "reveal". Pelosi said: You got to pass it to see what's in it,... but that is another movie...

A kid is ripped by your brother in satan, so what's your problem.

How convenient...If it's bad, it's Satan's fault. Did Satan cause the Big Flood and indiscriminately murder millions, kids included?

Let me guess...You are going to ignore this small event, so I won't. There was no Big Flood. It just rained a lot, a phenomenon as common as drought. See Cali right now.

God didn't even try to rescue that child. I would. That makes me better than your indifferent or impotent God. From now on, I am Him, not him.

A baseball bat would be enough...No miracle was necessary.
Tlum  13 | 423
1 Jan 2026   #378
The US Constitution was never a secret.

The Bible wasn't either. Again, you're clueless about what you're arguing about. You won't be able to grasp my further comments until you get more clue, so I'll wait.
Novichok  7 | 11106
1 Jan 2026   #379
The Bible wasn't either.

...except who wrote it...which is a lie...

No, the Bible was not written by God. It was written by many men to fit their narrative.
Tlum  13 | 423
1 Jan 2026   #380
You've never answered how religion controls you and other people?
Tlum  13 | 423
2 Jan 2026   #382
Satanists claim that "religion / God was created to control people." As a member of their cult, what is your take on that?
Novichok  7 | 11106
2 Jan 2026   #383
Satanists claim

Quote the source.
Tlum  13 | 423
2 Jan 2026   #384
Quote the source.

Post #383, evidenced by the proverb: "The hit dog yelps."
Novichok  7 | 11106
2 Jan 2026   #385
How many "satanists" have you met?
Atch  22 | 4326
2 Jan 2026   #386
There was no Big Flood.

In fairness Novi, the Catholic Church does not expect you to take the Bible literally. But I know you're not keen on allegory and metaphor.
the Bible was not written by God. It was written by many men

The Bible is a compilation of books/writings from diverse sources. Theology teaches that all those works which made into the final compilaton were divinely inspired. I don't accept that myself. But I do accept the four Gospels as the truth of the life of Jesus. as witnessed by those who knew him.

And the only part of the Bible that one really needs to concern oneself with is the Sermon on the Mount, because that sets out the charter for a Christian life. If you decide to follow that because it feels right to you, then you are seeking God, even if you don't believe in Him. And the Catholic Church teaches that all those who seek God with a sincere and loving heart are numbered among the faithful, even without visible bonds to the Church.

God is either indifferent or impotent when a kid is ripped to pieces by three stray pitbulls.

A Christian believes that God, in the form of Jesus, came to us and voluntarily put Himself through a horrible, painful, entirely unjust and humiliating death. He chose to suffer in a way that most of us will never have to. Why did He do that? Just presume for a moment that God is real The same God who allows children to be ripped apart by dogs, allowed Himself to be brutally murdered, hanging in agony for three hours on a cross. Try to make sense of why He did that.
Novichok  7 | 11106
2 Jan 2026   #387
But I know you're not keen on allegory and metaphor.

I HATE them...the tools of liars, manipulators, thieves, crooks, charlatans, priests, popes, politicians, and women who falsely accuse men of rape ...

On my island, everything said publicly would presumably be under oath, with the death penalty awaiting liars.

allowed Himself to be brutally murdered,

We call it suicide by cop. The part I resent deeply is being told that he did it for me.

The same God who allows children to be ripped apart by dogs,

If a parent did it, nothing would be compelling enough not sentence that POS to a very long time in a slammer, where the prisoners would finish the job.

This is why I don't like your God...Nothing personal since you didn't create him.

If a man or beast tried to hurt anyone with my DNA or my wife, I would do everything I could to kill it - before or after...
jon357  75 | 25050
2 Jan 2026   #388
I HATE them

Yes.

You do that rather a lot.

Satanists claim that "religion / God was created to control people.

Some do, mainly the younger and less well educated ones who aren't so much Satanists as young people who think the trappings of it look scarily funny that the name sounds cool. Most real ones have a more nuanced view and are very unlike what you'd see in a horror film.
Atch  22 | 4326
2 Jan 2026   #389
The part I resent deeply is being told that he did it for me.

That's what theology says - but what do you think?

Anyway, you never answered my question about ghosts. What's your opinion about them?
Novichok  7 | 11106
2 Jan 2026   #390
You do that rather a lot.

Considering the damage...not enough...

That's what theology says - but what do you think?

Theology is a fake "science" about the lies people advance for their selfish reasons and for the ruling scum above them.

It's in the same class as Gender and Black studies - pure crap and in the same file as the study of how many angels fit on top of a pin...

Anyway, you never answered my question about ghosts.

You are kidding, right? I can tell if somebody farted, but not if there is a ghost in the room.

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