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Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,801
30 Sep 2021 #61
Thing is the AfD changed alot since the foundation....it was founded more or less as a professors party, by academics criticizing Merkel's money policy.

Till now it had several leaders (Bernd Lucke, Frauke Petry) who left already (and started their new projects).....the party continued to change personal and goals....the current election only hid the rift inside the AfD only barely.

So.....it's impossible to say what the AfD would do since I foresee another division first....who knows who gets to lead the leftover.....

I would watch the Höcke-Fraktion....this is the strongest and most radical fraction and has just won Thuringia....he plans a policy in the national socialism direction (Germans first).....which could become in time very successful if he doesn't get verboten (or thrown out) first.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B6rn_H%C3%B6cke
Novichok 4 | 7,839
30 Sep 2021 #62
I really appreciate your response. One more question: do they have a "platform"?
BTW, I really miss Weimarer. Right or wrong, it was good to have him here.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,801
30 Sep 2021 #63
platform?

Yeah....I like discussing german politics too....
Novichok 4 | 7,839
30 Sep 2021 #64
"Platform" is what we here call the party agenda they promise to pursue if elected. Trump was elected by promising to build "that wall", for example.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,801
30 Sep 2021 #65
German party's have their party program....

afd.de/grundsatzprogramm-englisch/

But again....read it with caution....the AfD is split along national-socialist (nearly leftist strong state only against foreigners) and quite western-liberal lines with as less state intervention (and welfare) as possible.

Which side wins in the end decides the outcome....
Novichok 4 | 7,839
30 Sep 2021 #66
German party's have their party program....

It's late so I read just the chapter titles. I could not be more proud of those who put this agenda together and couldn't write it any better myself. Totally brilliant. I will get into the details tomorrow. Thanks. I am so glad I asked.

This should be given to our RINOs to read and adopt as their agenda if they ever want to be in control.

Just curious, did you find anything strongly objectionable? I promise not to use it as a point of debate or argument. If you don't want to reveal your politics, why don't Germans vote for them in larger numbers?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,801
30 Sep 2021 #67
"National socialism" leaves still a certain taste in many German's palates....

And even if not....voting for the AfD would mean more isolationist policies (EU/NATO etc.), even working against european friends and partners....that way is risky and potentially desastreous for Germany....history waves wildly from the sidelines!!

Most people don't want to risk that....been there done that....didn't work!

"Germany first" and "Germans first" sounds good to people who have nothing left to lose anymore....the "white trash" as Hillary put it so nicely (in earlier time the target group of the LEFT). But most Germans are still to well off, living actually still quite the good life in this Germany....as long as it stays that way the AfD will never gain much.

But they don't really have to. Especially in the immigration policy alone her existence is a big club to beat the government parties over the head with....the stand on immigration and subsequently many of it's policies have hardened since 2015....

The AfD doesn't need to become powerful to have influence!
Tacitus 2 | 1,378
1 Oct 2021 #68
the stand on immigration and subsequently many of it's policies have hardened since 2015

But how long will this last? Both the SPD and Green party have pledged to ease restriction on asylum laws and both parties will likely end up in government. Their probable partner, the FDP, has no strong opinion on this, they however want to make it easier for qualified migrants to immigrate.

As for the AfDs' party program, it is honestly a joke. It completely leaves out complicated yet pressing issues like our pension system and is on other intentionally vague to not scare off somewhat moderatw victors. The AfD has nothing really to say except on refugees, and that point is simply no longer relevant to most voters.
Novichok 4 | 7,839
1 Oct 2021 #69
The AfD doesn't need to become powerful to have influence!

My hope was that, like me, you would read their agenda and name specific items you are against. Like this:

Green party have pledged to ease restriction on asylum laws

Why would sane Germans want more immigrants of any kind in Germany? How does cost vs benefit analysis lead to the conclusion that 80% of the German voters would like more of them? Do you want more of them?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,801
1 Oct 2021 #70
But how long will this last?

Depends if they want to be re-elected....you know how it goes..."After the election is before the election!" :)

It completely leaves out complicated yet pressing issues like our pension system

...that's because the pension system is one of the default lines showing the deep split in the AfD....Höcke's fraction wants generous pensions but only for Germans, the Staatsbürger-Rente....the Meuthen fraction (the old wessi AfD) actually doesn't care how the poor old live.....he wants to do away with the legal age old insurance.

I foresee a split in the near future....these fractions are as incompatible as the Realos and the hard core Stalinists in the LEFT!

and that point is simply no longer relevant to most voters.

I totally disagree.....the article in the SPIEGEL about the "poor refugees" gain with surety in the shortest amount of time the most comments....in betweeen 95 to 99% totally negative and even hostile....and this medium is not known for it's conservative or nationalist or rightist followers!
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,801
1 Oct 2021 #71
Why would sane Germans want more immigrants of any kind in Germany?

There is no majority for that.....most Germans agree with the principle of asylum....but the way it is handled right now has less and less supporters.

Germany needs to become a modern immigration country. But for that we have to be able to choose our immigrants....not being forced to take in everybody who makes it to our borders without the ability to send him back. That's a mocking of the asylum law...and every future government will need to handle that...that's why every election slogan (beside the GREENS) was "2015 must not be repeated!"
Novichok 4 | 7,839
1 Oct 2021 #72
OK. I am going to stop here since you are ignoring my questions.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,801
1 Oct 2021 #73
I try to explain some "Germany" to you...when you only want affirmations for your already formed opinions you better "ask" Dirk....

Are you actually really interested in what I or Tacitus have to say?

Fits to the german elections....."How to revive a social democratic party":



reddit.com/r/polandball/comments/pz67m1/how_to_revive_a_social_democratic_party/
amiga500 4 | 1,537
1 Oct 2021 #74
lol. denmark stronk! can into space!
Novichok 4 | 7,839
1 Oct 2021 #75
Are you actually really interested in what I or Tacitus have to say?

Tacitus, no. You, yes. Hence:

Do you want more of them?

If yes, to what benefit for (1) Germany and (2) you, personally. If not, why not.

And this: please tell me what would actually happen in terms of legal actions if Germany decided to follow to the letter the UN refugee rules and refused to take any who don't qualify according to these rules. Who would object and possibly punish Germany and Germans for following these rules?

These are all just questions so my "agenda" is not on the table and will not be since it's already well known here.
amiga500 4 | 1,537
1 Oct 2021 #76
if Germany decided to follow to the letter the UN refugee rules and refused to take any

Your point is moot and fantasy, as Germany has just democratically voted for a coalition of parties that will expand refugee rights, especially with massive family reunifications in the future.
jon357 74 | 22,011
1 Oct 2021 #77
Germany has just democratically voted for a coalition of parties that will expand refugee rights

Great news.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,801
1 Oct 2021 #78
will expand refugee rights,...

I doubt that.....

That migrant-question was actually a non-topic in this election....the only two party's who want to officialy "expand refugee rights" and even have that in their programs have been the GREENS, who massively underperformed with not even 15% instead of the dreamed 25% to everybody's surprise and the LEFT who actually didn't even made the 5% hurdle and only got "in" for some fine print in the law but who is otherwise now declared dead!

No gov who isn't suicidal will "expand refugee rights".....

And the main topic of the GREENS has been the climate...and not refugees....actually that program point might have cost them alot of voters!

And this: please tell me what would actually happen in terms of legal actions

Nothing! As long as someone can wave with a law...and one of the famed UN at that...he should be safe.
amiga500 4 | 1,537
1 Oct 2021 #79
No gov who isn't suicidal will "expand refugee rights".....

Come on., the membership and governing council of SPD is quite left. Of course they will expand family reunification and have a softer policy towards refugees/illegals than CDU.. This aint Denmark.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,801
1 Oct 2021 #80
Let's see....leftist Scholz can't be worse than the "rightist" Merkel-CDU and the desaster that was 2015....
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,801
1 Oct 2021 #81
Do you want more of them?

I would prefer immigrants from Europe....people who are closer to us culturally....with a similiar education....Germany is in dire need of additional workforce since the homegrown demographics don't look good for the future.

But to import a muslim sheepherder with only two years of koran school under his belt is not helping! He will not be able to integrate into our way of living and also not fill some of the many vacant work places...

I guess the technological advance will have to save us...again....the one which makes human work redundant!
Novichok 4 | 7,839
1 Oct 2021 #82
has been the climate...and not refugees....

Because refugees change climate in a very bad way when they move from a low standard of living craphole to a Grade A, WE country.

Let the record show that you still refuse to declare where YOU stand on the issue.

I would prefer immigrants from Europe...

That looks like a 'lesser evil' answer. I would prefer if they stole my older car.
amiga500 4 | 1,537
1 Oct 2021 #83
.leftist Scholz can't be worse than the "rightist" Merkel-CDU and the desaster that was 2015....

Of course but one will need to compare CDU 2021 policy and SPD 2022/2023 policy..
Novichok 4 | 7,839
1 Oct 2021 #84
The question, BB, is do YOU want them and why?

Germany is in dire need of additional workforce

BS. Make parts you need outside.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,801
1 Oct 2021 #85
That looks like a 'lesser evil' answer.

"Lesser evil"? Immigration is not necessarily bad...Poles for example have immigrated into Prussia/Das Deutsche Reich/Germany for centuries....half of the Rhein-Ruhr with it's mighty Coal and Steel industry has been powered by Poles...who later became bonafide Germans....half of Berlin has somehow polish roots or connections, polish sounding names are totally "german" today...

The whole US is the best example....it wouldn't exist like that without massive immigration from Europe.....

I can't see anything "evil" in that! What I don't like in Berlin are the african drug dealer from the Görlitzer Park....or the muslim Clan families who rule the organized crime...we truly can do without these "enrichments".

BS. Make parts you need outside.

Yeah well....it is what it is....there is no point in discussing that...

Experts warn that even with immigration, Germany's workforce could dwindle by anywhere from 2 to 10 million by 2060, according to Germany's Federal Statistical Office

What happens now is a war for the "best" immigrants....a war countries like Australia or Canada are winning and Germany is losing...as we get mostly the sheepherder and they get the best educated academics...

So...yeah...my hope is the technology!

The question, BB, is do YOU want them and why?

If a robot earns me my comfortable rent or a Pablo or Julio....what do I care....but someone has to!

I just doubt a Mohammed or an Ismail will be able to....

Again not what you want to hear? Sorry!
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,801
1 Oct 2021 #86
Government asks German residents to drive lorries even if they never have before

The government has asked thousands of Germans residing in the UK to drive lorries to assist with the HGV shortage, even if they have never driven one before.

A letter was sent by the Department for Transport, signed by transport minister Baroness Vere, asking Germans who live in Britain to "consider returning" to the HGV driving sector.

The letter states: "Your valuable skills and experience have never been more needed than they are now.....


independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hgv-lorry-driver-shortage-germans-b1930558.html

Oh boy! I just HAD to.... The Return of the King



reddit.com/r/polandball/comments/pz2ns3/the_return_of_the_king/
Novichok 4 | 7,839
1 Oct 2021 #87
The whole US is the best example....it wouldn't exist like that without massive immigration from Europe.....

That is intellectually dishonest. The difference between the "pioneers" coming to work and risk all they have when a country is forming and the welfare bums later is the same as between the passengers who bought tickets and the hordes who storm the plane.

Have you seen Kabul airport lately? That's the West and the new "immigrants". You are just spinning the problem with the old one-liners.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,801
1 Oct 2021 #88
and the welfare bums later

I thought only Germany gives out welfare to immigrants...
Novichok 4 | 7,839
1 Oct 2021 #89
Your sarcasm is duly noted and a total fail in this case.
You are part of the German system. I am part of the American. You excuse, if not defend, yours. I condemn mine using the strongest words that English offers. I even offered to go to Germany and, with proper immunities and legal orders, I would defend Germany at my own expense from the hordes. I would buy my own AR15 to do the same in the US after I was immunized and the orders were legit.

That's the difference.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,801
1 Oct 2021 #90
Your sarcasm is duly noted and a total fail in this case.

That wasn't sarcasm but serious!

I don't think that when I would immigrate into the US or Canada would get the kind of support like in Germany.

That's the main reason we attract mostly the have-nots from all over the world in the first place, people dream of Germany where they believe they get showered with free money, and gifted with houses and cool jobs for nothing....whereas the people with money and education go elsewhere!

You excuse, if not defend, yours.

Yeah...I'm known for agreeing to everything that happens here, I would never criticize my government! (THAT was sarcasm!)

That's the difference.

You would probably end up in jail....running around with a WMD....not a good idea...


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