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jon357  73 | 23224
13 Oct 2024   #91
it looks like we "owe" all that crappy art in art
galleries to billionares?:

The only 'crappy art' is kitsch, and even that can have charm. Remember, the map is not the landscape and different images can work on people in different ways.

Yup, I didn't even know such a thing existed...

I've seen them in modern offices in PL however they're generally a false economy and potentially a hazard.
jon357  73 | 23224
13 Oct 2024   #92
I'm no fan of surrealism however Toni di Renzo (1915-1986) is interesting. He was a minor member of the Romanov family and born at Tsarskoe Selo. His first wife was the feminist and occultist artist Ithell Colquhoun whose paintings are better known than his (and rocketing in value). He's probably best remembered nowadays for fathering quadruplets in his 70s. This one I like:


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OP Paulina  16 | 4352
13 Oct 2024   #93
The only 'crappy art' is kitsch, and even that can have charm.

Well, the thing is, there can be crappy art within every art style and art movement. There's kitsch good enough for me to like it and there's kitch that's simply crap. If we can discern crappy artwork among realistic paintings, for example, then why not also within abstract art? The fact that something is a novelty, that it hasn't been done before, doesn't automatically make it good. And I think people have the right to think and say that something is crappy. I mean, obviously, I wouldn't say that to the artist's face, because I have no need to make them feel bad, but we should be allowed to have an opinion. If AntV is allowed to hate hyperrealistic art and see no point in it, then I think I'm allowed to say which paintings I consider to be good and which are nothing special or just bad from artistic point of view (not historical, not societal, but artistic).

You may feel differently if you saw it presented in a gallery rather than online.

Nope. I would look at it for 10 seconds and just move on unimpressed to another painting.
This is what I would bother to go to see in person (I wouldn't hang it on my wall, but at least it's clever and pretty cool):



Yet critics value his work hugely.

Um... How to put it... :):


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OP Paulina  16 | 4352
13 Oct 2024   #94
For example, I quite like some of the paintings by Jason Anderson. I like the bright colours (that's subjective) and there's some technique and thought put into them, composition, he clearly knows how to work with colours and texture (that's an objective assessment). Additionally, in my personal opinion they look good and make me feel good (subjective):


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jon357  73 | 23224
14 Oct 2024   #95
Um... How to put it... :):

I quite like that painting. I'd have it on the wall.

Not so much Jason Anderson which looks like something from a Dubai hotel lobby.
Alien  25 | 6002
14 Oct 2024   #96
something from a Dubai hotel lobby.

I thought they had Picasso replicas there.
jon357  73 | 23224
14 Oct 2024   #97
They usually prefer non-representative for cultural reasons.
jon357  73 | 23224
17 Oct 2024   #98
As people have probably guessed, I tend to prefer abstract, but just look at this, Pretty good.


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jon357  73 | 23224
17 Oct 2024   #99
Andy Hollinghurst, Doncaster. Painted to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the Miners' Strike


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Feniks  1 | 636
18 Oct 2024   #100
Twombly is gallery art; something intended to be viewed in a large dedicated space.

I get that but for me it doesn't make any difference. The only thing the red scribbles suggest to me, other than being painted by a child, is that maybe the artist was angry and venting when he painted them.

Art is a very personal thing and I understand that you like abstract paintings but I can't see what you see in them. They go way over my head!

Once you create something new that hasn't been done before in art you automatically get a place in the pantheon of "great artists"

I agree and it seems to be all about what has become 'fashionable' at the time regardless of whether the art is actually any good. Damien Hirst and his sheep in formaldehyde springs to mind.......

Once the artist dies his works go up in value.

That's almost a given although in his case he was hardly starving in a garret somewhere.

Art usually goes up in value with time, so that's a good long-term investment. You don't have to like the art you're buying - what's important is that you know you will sell it with profit later on.

This is true but sad at the same time. If I wanted to make a profit on artwork I would definitely choose something I like that could be put on display. I feel anything otherwise amounts to little more than greed and is an insult to the artist. But then, I often have views contrary to other people.
Feniks  1 | 636
18 Oct 2024   #101
When we moved to another place my parents took that dark, patterned carpet with us

I guess that's what people did. My parents took the carpets with them when we moved to a different part of the country. By then we had an expensive Axminster carpet although still equally hideous. Unbelievably, in yet another part of the country, I had the same carpet on the floor of my current home. First thing I did was to have it ripped out along with all the other carpets.

To maximise the value of their art collections, billionaires employ various strategies and tactics

I find this obscene. What does a billionaire need yet more money for. Greed, pure and simple :(
I will read the link it came from later.

I think people have the right to think and say that something is crappy.

Me too. There's way too much snobbery in the art world.
jon357  73 | 23224
22 Oct 2024   #102
This misses being kitsch by about an inch but somehow works.


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jon357  73 | 23224
27 Oct 2024   #103
Here's an interesting one. Opinions?


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jon357  73 | 23224
30 Oct 2024   #104
Banksy's latest.


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OP Paulina  16 | 4352
30 Oct 2024   #105
I'm afraid I don't have the time right now to comment or introduce new artists, so I'll just drop a quick info for New Yorkers here - one of the artists I presented on this thread is having a solo exhibition in New York at Arcadia Contemporary art gallery - the artist is Nick Alm from page 2 of this thread (my posts #39, #40 and #41).

The exhibition is called "Portals and Places" and it will last from October 24 to November 12.

Gallery address:

421 West Broadway
New York, NY 10012

Gallery hours:

Tuesday - Friday: 10 am - 6 pm
Saturday - Sunday: 11 am - 6 pm
Monday: Closed

I'm so happy that galleries that show such art still exist! 🥺❤️

Bobko, I envy you right now :)))


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Feniks  1 | 636
1 Nov 2024   #106
This misses being kitsch by about an inch but somehow works.

The fantasy style and colours appeals to me.

Banksy's latest.

Hilarious and true!

I'm so happy that galleries that show such art still exist

He's a very good artist, I would go to see his work.

creates a sense of intimacy in some scenes - it feels like we're in the room with the person depicted in the painting.

I find some of the his more intimate paintings make me feel slightly uncomfortable. They're so realistic that looking at them almost makes me feel like I'm intruding.
Atch  24 | 4359
1 Nov 2024   #107
Banksy's latest.

Brilliant!

Here's an artist I only discovered recently, Ivan Shiskin. Very modern style for a Victorian artist, I think. This was painted in 1890:


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Alien  25 | 6002
1 Nov 2024   #108
This was painted in 1890:

It looks like a photo.
jon357  73 | 23224
5 Nov 2024   #109
Frédéric Forest, France


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Alien  25 | 6002
5 Nov 2024   #110
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Frédéric Forest,

Woman reading newspaper in bed........ 🤔nowadays she would have a smartphone in her hand.
Atch  24 | 4359
8 Nov 2024   #111
The ladies of the Forum in conversation :) I love this kind of 'pretty' Victorian art. I'm probably alone in that. Artist is Charles Haigh-Wood, father-in-law of T.S. Eliot.


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Alien  25 | 6002
8 Nov 2024   #112
I'm probably alone in that.

From left, Lenka, Atch and Paulina.😀
pawian  221 | 25960
10 Nov 2024   #113
Frédéric Forest, France

Reminds me pics from Wisłocka`s cult book:


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jon357  73 | 23224
12 Nov 2024   #114
Smut.

Frank Auerbach has just died aged 98. Perhaps the foremost British and European artist of the past few decades. He did this one in 1995, showing the road outside his studio.


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pawian  221 | 25960
12 Nov 2024   #115
Smut.

Jon, have you just invented a new word?? I have never seen it before.
jon357  73 | 23224
12 Nov 2024   #116
I have never seen it before

It's used often. Has two meanings, the original and literal one a bit archaic nowadays, the metaphorical meaning is more usual now we don't use coal much.
jon357  73 | 23224
25 Nov 2024   #117
Another by Saul Steinberg


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jon357  73 | 23224
26 Nov 2024   #118
This artist is interesting


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jon357  73 | 23224
2 Dec 2024   #119
Bill Brandt. (1904-1993). Halifax. 1937


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jon357  73 | 23224
5 Dec 2024   #120
Kitsch, but nice kitsch.

by Lennart Helje (1940-2017, Sweden)


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