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jon357  72 | 24091
1 day ago   #541
nightclubs you claimed PiS was shutting down

Wasn't that some local councils dominated by PiS. If PiS are still there, they still control commercial licensing in their city.

tusk is much more authoritarian

He should scrap those ridiculous PiS Sunday trading restrictions, however he's not authoritarian.
Poloniusz  5 | 983
1 day ago   #542
What's the worst that Nawrocki could do? ruin relations with the EU?

Well, the EU may be giving him very good reasons to do just that.

US Lawmakers Demand Answers From Brussels Over Alleged Foreign Interference In Polish Election Campaign

zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-lawmakers-demand-answers-brussels-over-alleged-foreign-interference-polish-election

The letter exposes a troubling pattern of interference and lawbreaking: it calls for an EU investigation into illegal foreign-funded campaign ads that promoted opposition candidate Rafał Trzaskowski while discrediting PiS-backed Nawrocki and Mentzen, violating Polish election laws that ban foreign influence; it also condemns the Tusk-led government's blatant refusal to release tens of millions of legally mandated public campaign funds-despite court rulings, official demands, and rulings by Poland's Supreme Court-highlighting U.S. lawmakers' accusations that the EU is applying double standards by ignoring rule-of-law violations committed by organizations aligned with Tusk, thus revealing a systemic bias and undermining Poland's sovereignty and democratic integrity.
Alien  26 | 6895
1 day ago   #543
promoted opposition candidate Rafał Trzaskowski while

This is a candidate of the government rather than the opposition.
Poloniusz  5 | 983
1 day ago   #544
candidate of the government

Exactly - it's the government, not the people.. :)

Speaking of US criticism, here is an interesting story of your beloved Germany:

U.S. officials criticize moves allowed by German constitution that U.S. helped shape

"There's code built into the constitution that allows the German state to act in illiberal ways in order to protect liberalism and constitutionalism, to protect democracy."

npr.org/2025/05/28/nx-s1-5373372/u-s-officials-criticize-moves-allowed-by-german-constitution-that-u-s-helped-shape

In short, Germany is authoritarian, even fascist.
Miloslaw  24 | 5481
1 day ago   #545
In short, Germany is authoritarian, even fascist.

Really? That is one hell of a statement!
Novichok  6 | 9504
1 day ago   #546
In short, Germany is authoritarian, even fascist.

I am so glad you found this gem of "democracy".

Reminds of: Love me or I will kill you...from hippies way back...

That is one hell of a statement!

It's a spot-on statement.
Poloniusz  5 | 983
1 day ago   #547
Reminds of: Love me or I will kill you...from hippies way back...

Yes, it's clear that psychopaths have been running Germany, the EU, and much of Europe for generations. They preach freedom but actively suppress and destroy anyone daring to exercise it. Germany, the UK, and other so-called Western democracies proudly arrest their citizens in the dead of night for "wrong think."

It's a relentless 24-hour cycle of demonetizing and imprisoning those with traditional values and pride in their heritage, while simultaneously glorifying everything diametrically opposed. Today's Germany even openly calls for war under the slogan "To Defend Diversity."

Literally:

Germany's Stern Magazine Calls For Conscription Of Young People To Take Up Arms "To Defend Diversity" In Pro-War Propaganda Piece

'So, what should they die for? ...as the very atomized and multicultural society it promotes reduces the will for Germans to die face down in some trench at the frontline.

"Germany faces a tremendous challenge. And be careful not to lose sight of what we want to defend: freedom and diversity. If the pendulum swings too far toward individualization, we become defenseless. If the focus is too strongly on defense, the ghosts of the past are awakened, keyword 'national community."'


zerohedge.com/markets/germanys-stern-magazine-calls-conscription-young-people-take-arms-defend-diversity-pro-war

And of course, which demographic was featured on the face of all this woke propaganda?



This too was scathingly commented on in the article:

"Considering Germany's youth are becoming more and more diverse, one would think that it would have been the perfect opportunity to feature a Black or Arab person. Go to any clothing store in Germany or any other Western country, and the classic motif of the Black male paired with the White female is ubiquitous. However, as those on the right often point out, when the threat of real wars start, the White males suddenly start appearing more and more frequently in the recruiting ads of the armed forces."

Let's face it: under the oppressive yoke of a pro-EU Tusk-Trzaskowski regime, Poland's fighting-age men will be conscripted into Germany's warmongering, sacrificed as cannon fodder, while the EU elite-taking a page from the article-"can go to Vietnamese restaurants, attend book readings by African authors, and enjoy art installations from Brazilian LGBT activists."
Novichok  6 | 9504
1 day ago   #548
Yes, it's clear that psychopaths have been running Germany,

Thanks for another great post, Poloniusz...

I am not naive and I understand that life is a constant struggle for power by whatever means, including pitting one groups against another. LGBTs, climate, and hate being the easiest tools...

What I really don't understand is PF boootlickers, their obedience, silence, and admiration of the system of modern enslavement - always for "the good of society, freedom, and democracy."

It takes some major chutzpah to demand bliand compliance in promoting diversity.

1984 came late but it finally did.
Alien  26 | 6895
1 day ago   #549
pro-EU Tusk-Trzaskowski regime

Do you live in some parallel universe?
Bobko  28 | 2288
22 hrs ago   #550
How come nobody mentioned that Nawrocki went on television, in disguise, with blurred out image and altered voice, to discuss his own book about the criminal underworld and to praise its author (himself)?

This is like the final brushstroke, to complete this man's list of similarities with Trump. Trump famously used the name "John Barron" to leak favorable news stories about himself to the press. He even called into TV shows, as John Barron.

Very impressive. Bobko is intrigued!

A poll from AxelSpringer does not look good at all, for friends of PO. They needed the elections to be held a week ago, but now every coming day leads to a bump for Nawrocki and a decline for Trzaskowski.

It seems the Tusk anchor is dragging the mayor down, and fast.

For this - one has to blame only Tusk, I imagine. Biden did something similar last year, when he told Kamala as she was preparing to run: "Not an inch of daylight, kiddo." That is, Biden provided his blessing on only one condition, that Kamala hew as close as possible to the policies his administration had pursued - and publicly "own" them. This pretty much doomed the poor lady, who already had very sh*t chances.

I think something similar is going on here. This mayor guy needs to desperately distance himself from Tusk - at least for the crucial week or two between elections. Instead, not realizing how unpopular he is, Tusk keeps popping out of every corner with some nasty sound bite about Kaczynski and some words about what a very nice boy Rafal is.

Lock Tusk up in a box, and don't show him to anyone for a few weeks. How hard is that? Let Trzaskowski have a bit of space and breathing room to show why he is not Tusk 2.0.


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Paulina  19 | 4546
20 hrs ago   #551
In this video a former Polish police officer is criticising president Duda for "normalising pathology" in his comment about football hooligans' fights (the so called "kibolskie ustawki"):



The former cop reminds that those fights are illegal and explains that those are often fights for influence among organised crime groups. For those who don't know - football hooligans often create criminal groups (Polish equivalent of gangs, I guess) that are involved in all kinds of crimes, including drug trade, human trafficking, etc.

Police officers have been complaining that Polish filmmakers are glamorizing "gangsta life" in recent years and now this... The Polish president and one of two main presidential candidates... 🤦

but now every coming day leads to a bump for Nawrocki and a decline for Trzaskowski.

According to Polish polls in recent days Trzaskowski and Nawrocki have been exchanging as leaders with very small advantage. It's a very tight race... Those polls are going to give me a heart attack lol ;/
Bobko  28 | 2288
19 hrs ago   #552
normalising pathology

Some people might argue that people fighting for the right to gender reassignment surgeries are "normalizing pathology".

Kania here, has mentioned several times his skinhead past. He seems a level headed guy to me.

In my professional circle in New York, you also have a lot of former punks, skinheads, hooligans (Europeans, not a thing really here). Usually very smart people. Like - almost you could treat it like an indicator if the person is interesting.

Leave alone, that "wall on wall" fights, are a big part of Slavic tradition - going back a thousand years. It's part of the culture.
amiga500  5 | 1563
19 hrs ago   #553
This is like the final brushstroke, to complete this man's list of similarities with Trump.

Are you dumb? Was Trump a PhD level historian and director of the highest national institute commemorating communist and Russian oppression?

The book was about the mafia in the tri-city area and it's connections to business politicians and it's roots in the collapse of communism. In this light his fighting prowess and friendships will have given him sense of respect in the underworld that he needs to respect instead of blabbing publicly on television about it.

If he wanted to be Mafia he would have been mafia instead of working as a security guard and studying for his phd.
Bobko  28 | 2288
19 hrs ago   #554
Was Trump a PhD level historian and director of the highest national institute commemorating communist and Russian oppression?

First of all - you don't have to be smart to get a PhD in history. You have to be very good at sucking your professor's penis. You have to find some obscure subject nobody has ever cared to write about. And you have to be able to live on a very small budget, and not care about it. That's it.

Second - I never said Trump is stupid, or that Nawrocki's similarities with Trump indicate he is some kind of idiot.

No man that has more than a billion dollars and is President of the United States can be called stupid.
Paulina  19 | 4546
19 hrs ago   #555
The former cop reminds that those fights are illegal

He also mentioned that the PiS' presidential candidate took part in the biggest such fight in the recorded history of Polish hooliganism. It wasn't such a "noble fight" as Nawrocki would want people to believe:

tvn24.pl/trojmiasto/koscierzyna-szczegoly-brutalnej-bijatyki-pseudokibicow-mial-brac-w-niej-udzial-karol-nawrocki-st8484880

And that wasn't some kind of "mistake of the early youth" - Nawrocki at that time was 26-years-old, married, studying for his doctorate and... working at IPN already... while taking part in illegal fights alongside real criminals.

Kania here, has mentioned several times his skinhead past. He seems a level headed guy to me.

I don't think Kania is defending and glorifying neo-Nazism and criminal acts these days though? And he is not running for the office of the president of Poland.

Like - almost you could treat it like an indicator if the person is interesting.

LOL!

Bobko :D I'm honestly not surprised that someone like you is defending pathology :) Taking drugs, hools' fights... What are you going to be defending next? lol 🙄🤦

May I introduce you to some of those "interesting" people:

bankier.pl/wiadomosc/WP-Nawrocki-bral-udzial-w-jednej-z-najslynniejszych-kibolskich-ustawek-w-Polsce-8947485.html

'The leader of this group was Mirosław "Olaf" O. and his deputy was Przemysław "Żaba" Ż. "Both of them were later sentenced for being part of an organised criminal group that was setting up hooligans' fights and was involved in drug trade. The Lech group was taken down by CBŚP already four months after the fight - the portal informs. In the group of Lech Gdańsk there was Olgierd L. - arrested these days for arson incitement, illegal gun trade, criminal battery incitement and Daniel U. aka "Dzidek". The portal informs that "Dzidek" was sentenced in 2023 for 15 years in prison for a brutal murder of a teenager in Kraków with the use of a machete. Earlier he also took part, among others, in a brutal attack on a GKS Katowice hooligan.'
Novichok  6 | 9504
19 hrs ago   #556
can be called stupid.

He sure can...

Trump stupidly didn't fire every holdover at the FBI and other such places and almost paid with his life for this ultimate stupidity.
Bobko  28 | 2288
18 hrs ago   #557
I don't think Kania is defending and glorifying neo-Nazism and criminal acts these days though?

Skinheads are not Nazis. Some are, but most aren't. In fact, most of the OG skinheads were Leftists. Some skinheads are antifascist, some are instead fascist. Many are completely apolitical - which was kind of the point of being a skinhead originally.

What are you going to be defending next?

I'm not defending anything, just explaining the truth as I see it. Hooligans (as in, organized fans of a sporting team, that travel around with the team, and frequently get into fights with the other side) are not usually stupid people. They have a good memory for dates and names. Usually a pretty historical bent of mind. Use complex structures to argue the validity of their points of view.

Nearly always, its a phase that people grow out of and then carry on to be responsible adults.

They get exploited by organized crime, in the same way that boxing clubs or judo gyms do. You have a bunch of impressionable young guys that are physically fit and full of testosterone - an easy force to direct. But an absolute minimum of hooligans actually get involved with organized crime. I would say, only those, that were headed that way anyway - either through family problems or some other misfortune.

It's just people trying to have some fun - 99% of cases.

There's always some idiot that takes things very seriously, and will go chop someone's arm off with a machete and make everybody else look like an idiot. Like in your story.
mafketis  41 | 11417
18 hrs ago   #558
Skinheads are not Nazis. Some are, but most aren't.

Depends on country too. The original British skinheads were a working class thing and had some weird manifestations (one branch was big into knitted sweaters). The racist branches were more against Pakistanis than blacks (and there were black skinheads too).

In the US they often flirted with nazi style imagery but were mostly a-political (even some who used nazi symbolism did so for shock value and not political commitment). I knew a few back in the day and they were typical US punks - middle class kids, often smart, but alienated from their environment (esp parental materialism and/or hypocrisy).

Nastier strains existed too but I never had any contact with them and IIRC were mostly around big cities on the coasts.
Ironside  51 | 13212
18 hrs ago   #559
The former cop reminds that those fights are illegal

Stupid, at the time, it wasn't illegal. Anyway, there is nothing wrong with it. People wants to kick each other ass, that is their freedom.
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Paulina  19 | 4546
18 hrs ago   #560
Skinheads are not Nazis.

Sorry, Bobko, but, again, we're talking about Poland here... When I was a kid in the 90's that's what we were calling neo-Nazis ("skini")... So I don't know what kind of views Kania had at that time...

Apparently there were three groups of skinheads in Poland - one of them were neo-Nazis:

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinhead

Hooligans (as in, organized fans of a sporting team (...) are not usually stupid people.

Polish police (and probably majority of normal people in Poland) would beg to differ :)))

Nearly always, its a phase that people grow out of and then carry on to be responsible adults.

That's the thing, it looks like it took Nawrocki a long time to grow out of it (if he ever did).

But an absolute minimum of hooligans actually get involved with organized crime.

We're not talking about the world's football hooligans now though, but about Polish football hooligans in particular:

ruj.uj.edu.pl/entities/publication/db0710dc-ecc5-4d6f-a8d6-68c7a90799ef
Paulina  19 | 4546
18 hrs ago   #561
Stupid, at the time, it wasn't illegal. Anyway, there is nothing wrong with it.

Of course it was illegal lol That's why people got arrested in 2009.

People wants to kick each other ass, that is their freedom.

Not in Poland, stupid.
Ironside  51 | 13212
18 hrs ago   #562
Not in Poland, stupid.

So, there is no freedom in Poland. Maybe because women have the right to vote.
Bobko  28 | 2288
18 hrs ago   #563
I knew a few back in the day and they were typical US punks - middle class kids, often smart, but alienated from their environment

Yes this!

Also, to Paulina - regarding drug trafficking. A lot of skinheads/punks were/are famously straight edge. They take zero drugs, and zero alcohol - and it's all about physical fitness. Personally, these guys scare me. A former one of these married one of my cousins recently, and he is a partner now at White & Case - a white shoe law firm. As respectable as can be.

Personally I don't understand how you can go to a concert, and stay totally sober for hours, while doing somersaults off the mezzanine. Weird people.
Paulina  19 | 4546
18 hrs ago   #564
So, there is no freedom in Poland. Maybe because women have the right to vote.

Yes, yes, "genius", beating people up is illegal in Poland, because women have the right to vote :D Don't stop there and admit that you can't legally assist suicide and rape kids in Poland also thanks to women's right to vote :D 😂🤦 No freedom in this country, seriously... lol 🙄

Also, to Paulina - regarding drug trafficking. A lot of skinheads/punks were/are famously straight edge.

What does it have to do with the subject matter? Polish football hooligans are the topic here and not the world's skinhead and punk movement.

while doing somersaults off the mezzanine

I don't even know what this means...
Torq  13 | 1272
18 hrs ago   #565
So I don't know what kind of views Kania had at that time...

Let me, therefore, explain.

In the 90s skinheads in Poland were divided into three groups (well, three main groups anyway). Nationalist-Catholic - my bunch, we listened to Legion and were Polish nationalists without any ubermenschen, Arian, nazi nonsense; national-socialist (what one would call neo-nazi), they listened to Blood and Honour and they somehow managed in their heads to reconcile being Polish and nazi lol. These two groups didn't exactly love each other (to put it mildly). There was also a third group, Slavic-pagan (Tejkowski and Sztorm 68), and some of them evolved into weird leftist communist skinheads - a strange minority.

Did I go to football games, fight police and opposing teams' fans? Sure. And today, when I look back, I am neither proud nor ashamed of it. It was testosterone mixed with a healthy dose of youthful stupidity. Also, years of watching war movies and playing war in the playground played their part too. Children are raised a bit differently nowadays.

One thing that I have to say though is that my skinhead pals were the best comrades one could ever hope to have, and two of them are still in my closest circle of friends. They both have higher education (one of them received a ministerial award for his MA thesis) families and good jobs, and don't have any criminal record apart from a few short detentions before or after football games. In case of Nawrocki it's different; his pals were/are(?) regular gansters, criminals and pimps, and he seems to be not only proud of it but also still unhealthily fascinated with his former(?) mates.

A lot of skinheads/punks were/are famously straight edge. They take zero drugs,

Exactly. Baranki Boże, a funny skinhead band from Słupsk, even had a song poetically entitled 'Narkomańskie ścierwo'. :)
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12187
18 hrs ago   #566
Slavic-pagan

Hmm....doesn't sound so strange IMHO! (Having pagan sympathies myself, heh:)

But Nazi-Poles, yes...that is strange...
Torq  13 | 1272
17 hrs ago   #567
Hmm....doesn't sound so strange

Not to Crow I bet! I can imagine him being a Slavic-pagan skinhead in 1990s Novi Sad. :)

But Nazi-Poles, yes...that is strange...

Incomprehensible. Especially that we were raised on Polish and Soviet war films in which nazis were always legendarily black characters. Oh, well... human mind is a great mystery.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12187
17 hrs ago   #568
Especially that we were raised on Polish and Soviet war films

Now that could be a puberty defiance reaction.....youth likes to go into opposition to the adults....the bigger the fuss, the better...*shrugs*
Torq  13 | 1272
17 hrs ago   #569
the bigger the fuss, the better...*shrugs*

Hmm, so they were the real rebels and we were 'good boys' swallowing official state propaganda? Well I never...

But maybe you're onto something. This and the desire to shock the older generations. Good thinking, BB. :)

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