Presidential elections 2025 - the race has commenced!!!

Watch me.

What's the worst that Trzaskowski could do? Swerve left and promote some silly woke leftist agendas? So what? Poles are, by and large, a conservative society - he would just be ignored. He could, on the other hand, help to put PiS crooks and thieves behind bars where they belong.

What's the worst that Nawrocki could do? Quite a lot. Introduce legislative obstruction, issue presidential pardons to his PiS mates, ruin relations with the EU, and last but not the least be a walking embarrassment to any decent person in Poland.


Because, after seizing power from PiS they couldn't go after every Kaczyński's orangutang everywhere. If Nawrocki wasn't named a presidential candidate he would definitely be left alone at least until a new democratic president was sworn in.

I do and I come to the conclusion you are a cretin at least political cretin.
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Implement the series of progressive policies and laws, and it will worsen the lives of everyone and everything.
I guess embracing your synecure in some local administrations due to PSL backing is more important to you than the fate of Poland and your 'conservatism' worldview. lol!

Of course!

The Kremlin has many blind spots. For example, I spent about 8 years telling people on Russian online forums to stop laughing at the Ukrainians, and instead pay closer attention to their preparations. Absolute xenophobia towards Ukrainians blinded practically everybody else to what was happening in their society. A typical Russian military-engaged "patriot" - had such a low estimation of Ukrainians, that he scarcely thought they could wipe their own ass without external help.

This is a long line through Russian history - "shapkazakidatelstvo" (literally 'hat throwing') - a sort of cavalier attitude towards the enemy and his abilities ("Whatever! If things go hard, there are so many of us - we can bury them with our hats alone!"). It bites Russia in the ass - every single time.

That is, you could have thousands of people whose sole profession is to study and understand Ukrainians, and still... as a whole... the Institution could not understand them. But I could, from thousands of kilometers away, being engaged in a completely unrelated field.

What blinds Russia is arrogance and hubris, just as with the United States.

I don't see how that would happen, but if it could happen, that would be a good thing. It could be a good thing. Can you elaborate on how such construction would work?
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LOL! Oh my God! bbahabah! Thanks for the laugh.
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Are you really in position to make such judgement, Iron? :)

Андре́й Никола́евич Колмого́ров, a famous Russian mathematician and a Hero of Socialist Labour, contributed immensely to the field of information theory. From his works, if I properly understood them, we can conclude that if a robot's algorithm is simpler than the description of a more complex robot, it cannot fully simulate or explain it. In other words, a simpler robot may lack the complexity to simulate or understand a more complex one (or to call him a cretin). ;)


Be more precise. Give me a concrete example of what you think Trzaskowski can realistically do as president for that to happen.

Or... on second thought, don't. Live with your fears if you're comfortable with them.


Oh, that. For your information, I rejected the offer (for reasons that I shall keep to myself).

However, in Russia the public opinion is much less influential and important than in the US.
Still, in both countries, there are decision makers and their attitude is decisive.
I know that the US decision makers, or an elite of you prefer to call them that are indeed guilty as charged, and the public opinion is not far behind them.
I would think the Russian elite is more immune to the malady of the common people.

This is not true. Putin is a slave to Russian public opinion. In many scenarios, he acts not with the confidence of a leader with a bulletproof mandate, but like the "mediator in chief". A sort of Don Corleone role, where it's his job to sit everyone down and work out some kind of ugly compromise.

The people that oppose Putin are a genuine minority, confined to the large cities, and politically impotent. Ignoring them constitutes no serious effort on Putin's part. But when Putin's base is upset about something, then he reacts with lightning speed - down to flying out to some remote factory and negotiating on the spot.

He really is a "man of the people". A populist - and I don't mean it in a bad way. Orban, Trump, Le Pen, Modi, Xi are all copying this new model that Putin invented. Putin's long term ideologue, Surkov, calls it Sovereign Democracy.

Anything else could be up for debate, but not that. Not my political acumen and judgment, it's never wrong.
Did you not admit voluntarily that truth, some time ago, on its very forum? Remember now?
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Implement the full extent of the green policies that Brussels wants to experiment on in Poland. Tusk is up for it and just needs the president to sign it.
Second, implement the migration pact - so Tusk can bring illegal migrants from Germany without restraint.
Not to mention, deepen the lawlessness of the state, and implement progressive LGBT issues in schools.
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Well, that's even worse; there is no reason for you to err so much. Is that hubris or prejudice?

Pass the hate crime law that has been vetoed so far by duda to leading to restriction of freedom of speech and people being put in prison for twitter posts. What braun says would become highly illegal.

Introduce gender fluid and LGBT child indoctrination into schools Nationwide under guise of anti bullying.

Introduce the euro we have to keep up with Bulgaria etc

But mainly there won't be any showstoppers it will be a slow gradual process off eroding freedoms so psl wont squeak too much.

You can hate all you want without hate laws.

Isn't Russian public opinion molded, created, and manipulated by the state?
Isn't to some large degree the current state of the Russian public opinion cultivated by he state, ie. Putin?
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Yep, forget about that obvious nugget of reality in the face of the conservative Catholic like 'Pelican' Torq.

It is - hugely - but it still has to play the notes which are acceptable to the Russian people's ear. Blunt propaganda won't give shoots, if you plant it in barren ground. It still is, in the end, a job of reading the Russian people's desires correctly. Putin is a master at this, at giving people exactly what they crave. He reads the emotions of the Russian people like some savant.

People that hate Putin, that spent their entire career fighting him, and have been locked up in jail for it - still admit that Putin has some Mephistopheles level of ability to understand the people.

So in the end - you can only mold opinion so much, in the end you still have to provide the items that are most in demand.

Did I? I must have been drunk. ;)


Not at all. He even spoke against it in European Parliament recently, saying that some EU regulations have led to unacceptably high energy prices in certain countries, which could undermine Europe's competitiveness against economies like the U.S. and China. Your boy Mentzen would have said exactly the same thing but they would dismiss Mentzen in Brussels whilst they listen attentively to Tusk who is very critical of the Green Deal as well as of the Mercosur agreement (and is forming a coalition against the idea in its current form).


Geez. Tusk really is your boogeyman, isn't he? :)

In reality his government has adopted a strict stance against illegal migration and has implemented several measures to reinforce border security and control migration flows - going as far as waiving the right to apply for asylum for those who cross Polish border illegaly, for which he was criticised severely by various European leftists, but he doesn't give a toss. :) Also, Tusk has firmly opposed the European Union's Migration and Asylum Pact, particularly its relocation mechanism. He stated that Poland would not accept additional migrant quotas, emphasizing that the country has already taken in a significant number of Ukrainian refugees and cannot bear further burdens.

He is an old cunning fox, Tusk - the older and wiser I get, the more I appreciate him.

The other things that you and Amiga mention are straight from PiS gadzinówki like 'Sieci' or 'Gazeta Polska' and I have no time for such nonsense. Actually, it's 7 pm already - I have to do some work for tomorrow. See ya later, guys, and don't you dare vote for Kaczyński's ape.

In case I don't have time to post tomorrow, and the electoral silence starts at midnight on Friday, I shall leave you with this beautiful piece of poetry:

Lepiej z gówna zrobić skręta,
niż z alfonsa prezydenta.

Trashkowski directly told Mentzen he supports the hate crime laws that duda has been vetoeing. Anyone can see the effect that will have in Poland just by looking at other countries.

Dude you are voting for someone who literally told his administration to remove Christian crosses from their offices to make people feel safe.

Your claim to be a Catholic is as believable as a street prostitute proclaiming she's Mother Theresa mid blow job.

dream on!
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Good.


Religious symbols are great in the home. Out of place in public sector offices. The state is for everyone, religious or not.


Given the amount that r*SSia spend annually on online propaganda, you should have the barren ground well watered, well fertilised (with human bones) and the land inhabited by Homo Sovieticus.

There's enough countries like UK and Germany, where valuable police resources are spent investigating trivial matters and tweets.

Let Poland be an exception and we'll see how the thought police experiment works out in 20 years.

To ensure a cohesive society in an environment where the far right go to great efforts to stoke hatred, division and violence.


Kaczyński's attempts at creating a theocracy failed.

If you need a thought police state to ensure a cohesive society then your society is not worth ensuring.

The English used to invent the steam engine and other wonders and now they invent non-crime hate incidents. Lolzo

Who said thought police?

Nobody wants their society to be like America.

Orwell was onto something ....

...a uniform and scared society that is never asked if it wants more migrants.

Did anybody ask you?

After all, Animal Farm (the book, not PrzelotnyPtak's favourite video) was based on the political bloc that Poland was in (where there's still thousands of people with immunity from prosecution) and 1984 would seem pretty familiar in a country with such a huge spook system even now (they read this forum, btw) and where you can't even activate a SIM card without giving ID.

Don't worry jon, Britain is catching up fast, soon they will exceed all previous precedents.

Or even the opposite.

A vote for PiS is a vote for a decadent and corrupt authoritarian Party.

The only good thing they did was introduce 500+.

Since Poland elected PiS in the past, Poland is decadent and corrupt. Right?

The largest decrease of extreme poverty in the whole of Europe, in the whole history of the European union, if not longrr.
That's a gold star for me.

Of course more inteligent people focus on the big issues, such as crosses on office walls and wether men should be praised for wearing lipstick.

Or vote for a better party, as they did when electing the current Tusk government.

...forgot wigs...

it hasn't done anything. Much less reopen all those gay nightclubs you claimed PiS was shutting down.. tusk is much more authoritarian than duck.