Presidential elections 2025 - the race has commenced!!!

What the Polish press writes, is that Nawrocki precisely sat in the middle - catching the arbitrage between odlaty.pl and what guests of the hotel were willing to pay.

From the point of view of hotel staff - it makes no difference if you now work through a website. It's still completely within their power to deny you entrance, or create a big scandal. If you want them to play ball, they'll still have to get their taste.

I suspect the existence of this revenue stream is a big part of the draw of the job - not the official salary. Further - I'm sure the hotel is aware that staff are earning this money, and doesn't give a damn. More than that - I think being a person with... shall we say "flexible" morals, is an important qualification for the job.

If you put some Puritan in that position, god knows what will happen.

Nawrocki did not finish a theological seminary, but a history PhD. That tells me he is a big drinker and has an appropriately wide perspective on the full range of the human condition.

I think when a hotel provides prostitution services - it's called a brothel. So yes, obviously hotels do not normally provide prostitutes.

At the same time - every single hotel has certainly seen its fair share of prostitutes. I am sure prostitutes have been brought to the guest houses of the Vatican, and have stayed overnight at Blair House where guests of the White House stay.

I am also certain that the Swiss Guards or US Marines keeping watch in those instances, didn't say a word to anyone about what they saw.

You mean the stuff that Morawiecki signed?


If he were innocent, he would have sued Onet under the electoral procedure, and we would have the court ruling by Sunday. He didn't but chose the civil suit, which may take years, instead. He might as well admit his guilt. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a full-blown idiot.


It wasn't overlooked. He got a negative recommendation from the investigating officer but the then chief of ABW (Inner Security Agency) and another PiSman, Krzysztof Wacławek (currently an adviser to Duda lol), overruled the opinion and awarded Nawrocki the safety certificate. Scandalous. When Duda is out of office and cannot give presidential pardons anymore, all those crooks will end up behind bars where they belong.


Your English is brilliant but here you made a spelling mistake; it is a pro-PiS candidate.

Based on the exchange here - I think Kaczynski still has excellent political instincts.

Mentzen is often called the Polish Trump by foreign media, but its Nawrocki that has secured Trump's endorsement, and who got Kristi Noem to stump for him.

The same ideological sub-currents must be operative here, as elsewhere.

The American lumpenproletariat (despite being ultra religious) does not care that:

1) Trump is a divorcee

2) A several times bankrupt failure of an entrepreneur

3) A potential crook

What they care about is that he makes the gay nerds from the big coastal cities squirm. They love that all snobs that look down on them as second class Americans are running terrified for the trees. They love that he promises to deal with all the dirty/smelly immigrants that they actually have to live with - and that no one in Manhattan or Beverly Hills every really deals with.

The more the left hates Trump - the more the right loves him. "If you're taking a lot of flak - it means you're directly above the target" - their favorite thing to say.

So... Kania - you are very naive if you think that hammering away at prostitutes and old men that lost their apartments will get you anywhere. This is a culture battle - and the lines are already drawn for all but the most academic types - such as yourself.

Trump once said at a rally in Iowa - "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK? It's, like, incredible."

He understood something, and Kaczynski understands something - that you still don't seem to grasp.

Nawrocki and Trzaskowski are not "people", to be judged and understood. They are avatars. Canvases. Canvases onto which the "people" project their wants and desires.

The above is also why I never buy the line that "Russia delivered the victory" for such and such a candidate.

It's impossible - what they claim.

It means to deny the agency of hundreds of millions of people - that go out and vote.

It's a crude oversimplification, of very complex and very real processes that are happening in almost every country.

Russia can't elect Trump, Le Pen, Alice Weidel, Silvio Berlusconi, Nawrocki - or anyone - if the American, French, German, Italian, and Polish people do not want them.

@Bobko

Brilliant points, as usual.


Makes sense. Just like Kaczyński could enter a baboon - and I don't mean it figuratively, I mean a literal monkey - into presidential elections and the baboon would still get a very good result, maybe even win the election. You are also absolutely spot on about millions of voters being driven by hatred in their political choices. So, what are our final conclusions? Should we quietly get rid of democracy and lead the unwashed masses without allowing them to really influence anything? It would save us from all the various Trumps and Kaczyńskis of this world but we could end up with Kim Jong-uns and Putins.

Perhaps we should create a modified version of democracy where voting rights would depend on education, amount of tax paid, and public service history. Hm...

yeah, Hołownia, with his degree from Collegium Humanum, will certainly agree to it

This graphic below, published by the New York Times last week, should remove any doubts about who votes Trump.

They vote against their self interest - and even grit their teeth and suffer through tariffs - because he is THEIR MAN.

He could be a literal ape - as you say - and they would still vote for him. Well... maybe if the Democrats didn't try to run with a senile man that has cancer and then replaced him with a political nobody - they could have beat Trump - but history does not like "what ifs".


Historically - some of the most competent governments were oligarchies. Florence, Venice, Holland, etc.

That is - not just one rich guy, but many rich guys competing with each other.

For many reasons, however, the average people find it easier to accept a monarch or an elected leader, over an unelected group of super rich guys.

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This muppet doesn't have any degree, even from Collegium Tumanum.

@Torq

I think you should get used to the idea that people that are disgusting to you personally will rule over you.

There are many other things to focus on in life.

You are not black. You are not Jewish. You are not gay. You'll probably live just as you live - regardless of who is in power.

Go sit in front of a waterfall. Read some good book.

I didn't mean oligarchy. Quite the opposite. What I had in mind was proper meritocracy, where honest achievement would be awarded with voting rights.


:)

That's exactly what I told my wife today when she was worried about the elections--no matter who wins, for us personally it won't change much.


Great idea! *thumbs up*

Ah - the imperial Chinese model, with a distant emperor.

Yes, it worked for 2,000 years - and now China is the greatest country in the world.

Not a bad idea. Examinations for all public officials. Can't pass the exam - go home packing.


It really won't. People like to get excited about these things, as if it makes any difference at all - but in the end, the personal decisions they make will affect them 1,000X more than any decision by the government. Nothing Trump does will ever really affect you. What will affect you - is what Jay Powell does, who is the Chairman of the Federal Reserve (an unelected position). But for some reason, nobody except for professionals cares to tune in to hear the minutes of the Fed.

When your normal day to day life is concerned - the head of the Polish national bank should worry you much more than the president or prime minister. After that - who is your local police chief. Next, the director of your local public school.


People call us slaves and orcs - but maybe Russians just understood earlier than others, simply not to focus on certain things. They are irritating, lead to blood pressure rises, and provide no satisfaction.

Much more interesting to troll foreign populations, still engaged in the myth.

A cynic might say - we live democracy vicariously - through the Polish and American electorate :)

Here are some russians not focusing on certain things....

x.com/albafella1/status/1927701547560980881

I would do the same to you, if you decided you'd prefer to sit in the trench while I go on an assault.

I'm likely gonna die - meanwhile you'll only have to wear a bucket on your head.

Aha, finally the crux of you belives exposed.F*ck the opinion of decent everyday, hard working people, believers especialy.Few woke infested, in the universities or other high learning institutions, should run the unwashed herd of cattle to the slaughter.What a shanless A-hole

Yep.

Right here - what Ptak wrote.

That's what people are voting about. Not because Putin gave them money to elect Trump or Nawrocki.

No, they vote against the self-destruction, destruction of the greatest country God ever created, they vote against people with Torq mentality. We just, by the grace of God, avoided irreversible catastrophe, cataclysmic implosion of America the way we know it. Four or eight years of laughing hyena, the mentally impaired midget,
Kammala, and the greatest experiment of freedom, in the human history would be just a memory. You the ungreatful fools should know it.Not everything is right or just, but it's better than anyplace else. Give Trump a chance; he is trying, he is succeeding despite rabid opposition.

The Isle of Man?

Small and unimportant to the rest of the world, a regional paradise, possible, but not moving the needle outside the UK

Do you know what's special about Manx cats?

@jon357

Absence of tail? Are you worrying about it. Strange, but at your age, it's possible, peculiar that you brought the subject to a public forum.

Pelikania read and weep at your anti polish treachery you dog! 🐕

wpolityce.pl/polityka/730533-apel-do-rodakow-mozemy-zatrzymac-demokracje-walczaca

We, the participants of the Independence Formation Conference, the 24th organization of anti-communist opposition activists - AK, RUCH, KPN, ROPCiO, Solidarity, Fighting Solidarity, the Katyn Committee, the Piłsudski Institute and the Ostoja-Owsiany Historical Institute and many other groups involved for years in independence and patriotic activities, promoting and defending Christian values, Polish tradition and culture, today, a few days before the second round of the presidential elections, we appeal to our compatriots who voted in the first round.

Those who signed it are either retards or cynical liars.

Zielony Ład was signed by Morawiecki and let me quote another PiSman...


... so they protest against what they themselves promoted and agreed upon.

As for "Pakt Migracyjny" - let's remember the 366 thousand of immigrants from Muslim and African countries that PiS let in, more than Germany or Spain at the same time! There is a 300-page long report by NIK (Najwyższa Izba Kontroli) that confirms it...

bankier.pl/wiadomosc/Tak-PiS-wpuscil-do-Polski-setki-tysiecy-imigrantow-Mocny-raport-NIK-8816635.html

They also write about Mercosur deal which Tusk vehemently opposes and is actually forming a coalition of countries against it...

businessinsider.com.pl/wiadomosci/polska-przeciwko-porozumieniu-ue-mercosur/1nx3tcd

And so on and so forth. Those who signed the document are lying and playing on people's fears just to get Kaczyński's marionette elected. Despicable.

Well, I couldn't say it better myself, Bobko. I disagree with your statement unless you're referring to a naive nerd. I can understand this characterization in the case of Torq, who may indeed be a naive nerd. He specializes in a narrow field, but his ability to distinguish between facts and propaganda, as well as between reality and manipulated narratives, is quite low
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Indeed, I am referring to the agreement that Morawiecki signed. This was one of the reasons I voted for Konfederacja. There is a significant difference between someone who signs something and tries to hide it, and someone who fully embraces everything that progressives and the German EU promote and is eager to implement it.

This approach will only lead to further suffering for the people and the Polish economy. I don't understand how someone who is not blindly ignorant and genuinely cares about the well-being of the Polish economy and its citizens can vote for that trash, essentially a puppet of Soros.
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Really, what would they solve in two days? You are indeed 'Pelican' Torq, you should change your moniker. lol!
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Who knows how it was and what it was? You know that information, brought up three days before election day, is not to be trusted.
Oh, maybe you don't know.
If you can think logically, if that was the case, why wasn't anybody who was involved in such misbehavior locked up and 'investigated' by the PO government? They had two years for it, and their 'investigation' so far is a joke, as they found nothing, and are they blowing stuff out of proportion or lying about it? Why wouldn't they pick on something like that a long time ago?
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It was discovered that Trzaskowski received help from abroad in his campaign. It is illegal under Polish law, but it was brushed aside by the current government, who support that dude and is indeed aware of the fact.
If that was Berlin, Brussels, or Moscow, or all three above using proxies is immaterial at the present.
The fact remains that Trzaskowski is a foreign-backed candidate, and that is not a good thing.

I disagree with the notion that people vote against their self-interest. Instead, voters tend to support candidates they perceive as trustworthy enough to implement policies that align with their beliefs.
This support is not as blind as it might seem. Many voters recognize that those who claim to be authorities or good leaders often fail to live up to their promises and do not listen to the concerns of the public.
As a result, they may view a figure like Trump, with his quirks and imperfections, as someone who is capable of delivering on their expectations. Voters do not necessarily expect a perfect leader; they want someone who fulfills their commitments.
While, as you mentioned, people in New York may experience temporary hardships due to Trump's policies, they believe these measures are necessary to achieve their long-term goals and hopes.

Not in two days but in about a week if Nawrocki sued right away under the electoral procedure (which he would have done if he were innocent). They would ask Onet to substantiate their claims, question the witnesses and give a ruling on whether Onet's article constituted slander. That's exactly what the electoral procedure was created for. Nawrocki, for obvious reasons, didn't want witnesses to speak about his past in the court of law before Sunday, so he went for a long civil suit.


Excuse me? I have three different degrees including electronic engineering and physics (the third one, as the most embarrassing, I shall keep to myself :)), if that's a narrow field then I would like to see someone with a wide one!

It is precisely because I am well able to distinguish facts from bullsh*t that I don't want to see Kaczyński's marionette anywhere near the presidential palace.


The negative recommendation was issued in 2021. Obviously, during the PiS rule it was swept under the carpet. If you claim - as you would seem to be - that the materials and documents gathered by ABW in the case were falsified then, as an honest citizen, you have to notify the authorities of a criminal offense. No? I didn't think so.


For a very simple reason. PO has to wait for Duda to be out of office; otherwise he would just issue one presidential pardon after another. I can assure you that as soon as a democratic president is sworn in, the trials and long term prison sentences will follow. DePiSsification will be ruthless and thorough.

Human beings are tribal creatures. Cultural alignment or perceived shared identity are prioritized over policy specifics. When a candidate feels like "ONE OF US", they generate loyalty - even if their positions are unpopular with the electorate.

In every place in the world, from Moscow to Mogadishu, average people value something they call "saying what he actually thinks". That is, voters prioritize PERCEIVED authenticity, even if they don't agree with what is said. A candidate that is seen as transparently flawed,, but at the same time consistent... may inspire more trust than one perceived as quite polished but ultimately insincere. This is another feature built into Homo Sapiens through hundreds of thousands of years of evolution.

Further yet - many people have a "results oriented" mindset - "I don't care that he's a criminal, as long as he gets the job done". This is especially strong among voters who feel culturally or economically "under siege". They see norm-breaking behavior as a good rather than evil, because traditional politicians have already failed them.

Some people have simply lost all faith in institutions. Widespread cynicism about mainstream media, elite universities, the government leads many voters to reject what can be called "elite consensus". In this twisted world - a criminal investigation can in fact be perceived as proof that a candidate threatens the "System" and that he needs your helps fighting all the dragons.

...and back to what I started with - myth and narrative. People love stories. God knows I love, love, love stories. Voters also love stories, and they are always in search of some symbolic vessel onto which they can project these myths. You have many myths to chose from: (1) the outsider hero, (2) the rebel against corrupt systems, (3) the builder or destroyer of old orders, (4) the Icarus.

You should read about how the Russian intelligence services (FSB, GRU, SVR, etc) understand and evaluate the soundness and integrity of political regimes, and how they identify points of fragility.

Once you can see politics through the eyes of a Russian "silovik", all becomes simple. We may not have a rich political scene in Russia, but we understand how things work in other places.

The big chance is that the court would just dismiss his case without ruling. Which in turn would be used as propaganda to lie about his conviction by the court.
Manipulation and smear tactics are obvious. Also, even if he was a pimp, he is still better than Trzaskowski for Poland's interest.
I think you using those lies as an excuse for casting a vote on Trzaskowski - a known Soros puppet and a progressive b'itch.

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It means it is possible you are proficient in some narrow field of knowledge, but when it comes to current politics, you are either naive like a toddler, or you are fake.
A Catholic and conservative can't vote for a Soros puppet. It's so twisted, geez.
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I mean, why wasn't they after Nawrocki before he was named to be a presidential candidate? If it is all so sinister as you claim, he would be an obvious target.
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I think that comes with a very good observation and points, as well as practical ways to manipulate public opinion. However them being Russian, they have a blind spot.
They do not understand grassroots movements and the way some people feel and think about citizenship as an obligation to a political activity.

Exactly.

I always admired your ability to read Polish poltics. It was quite impressive a long while ago when you said that Russia will have to wait until PiS comes back to power before the Russian-Polish relations can improve (if Russia is still ruled by Putin, of course). An ordinary Russian would see PiS as vehemently Russophobic but you saw deeper than that.

At the moment Russian sympathy is with Nawrocki as a presidential candidate. Russian intelligence services can see clearly that PiS may have started as patriotic ordoliberals but they have mutated into quasi-putinists, so immediately a platform of mutual understanding emerged. And that is precisely why PiS have to be kept at bay if Poland is to grow in wealth, power and influence. Later (like 15-20 years later), I can even conceive power in Poland passing to Konfederacja, but definitely not just yet. They don't have ample structures or adequate human resources, and hence would be easy prey for foreign influence. Tusk, Sikorski, Kosiniak-Kamysz et al, on the other hand, are independent and smart enough to use foreign support without becoming agents of foreign influence themselves. In 2045 I can imagine a PSL-Konfederacja government successfully leading Poland to even greater prosperity.

*waits for Iron to burst into the thread like a bulldog into a henhouse*